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misti73

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: goolab
Very nice post Thanks.😉for me now gaurav enter raj will no the plan of divya soon don't know how soon he will get tp know the plan but he will, if not now then later...but whom will he be angry on ...Divya for breaking his trust and playing with his emotions or Sarita for guilt tripping Divya so that she goes against herself.
See come for divya who not in love with him
Sarita is here for raj who is not in love with her True.

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Angie

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Misti, your commentary is so hilarious that I was laughing even before the scene would come. Usually I get irritated when they start playing Meera anthem or Tulsi anthem. But today, I was anticipating Tulsi anthem. You are right one finished and the other one started. Wow, these CVs. Have to hand it to them for showing this so faithfully even if they change their characters from one day to another.

I too liked Divya and Raj and they were very cute and looked so much in tune that I almost rooted for them. The only reason I cannot do so is because of how Raj has treated Sarita for 10 years and this would always be a guilt factor for both if they get together. They can only be together if Sarita happily moves on in her life with someone else and that is not the case right now.

But it seemed as if Divya did want to cook with Raj not only because she wanted her plan to be successful, but also because she wanted to relive her past. Divya is really deluding herself when she thinks that Raj is moving on from her. Right now, Raj is all guilt ridden and is doing out of symapthy and guilt. Raj actually was the sanest one today in the beginning (not during the candle light dinner). He is apprehensive deep inside that Sarita and family may misunderstand this concern for love. Today he voiced that fear in front of Divya too because he relies on her for advice. He is going to feel really betrayed by Divya for all this deceit. He has kept things that were meant exclusively for Divya away from Sarita. Now Divya is forcing him to do the same things for Sarita. Is this really the good strategy? The life with Sarita cannot be a replica of life with Divya. Sarita should not expect that and Divya should also not feel guilty enough to do that either. If she and Sarita are serious about Sarita having a life with Raj, it has to be different things that would bind them together. It can not be build on a memories of a past love that remains picture perfect for Raj. So I am not sure what Divya and Sarita are accomplishing by making him repeat the same things with Sarita. If anything, he would feel even more resentful of this when he finds out the truth.

@Ruchi @Misti: Actually my opinion differs somewhat here about characters' behavior today. Sarita and Divya were pretty consistent in how they have been so far. Raj is well Raj. Only Gaurav's behavior was odd. But only the last part.

Divya - She is very goal oriented, but has a tendency to feel guilty. So she keeps on feeling guilty about deceiving Raj, but has decided that it is necessary for a good cause - to get Sarita her rights. So she is justifying everything. So she remains the same.

Sarita - She is still insecure and remains wary of Divya regardless of her apology to Divya. She doesn't care about Divya's shattered feelings. But gets sad even if Divya accidently mentions past. She forgets that Divya's past was well before she was ever in picture. Divya true to her nature realized her blunder and immediately apologized to Sarita and tried to cheer her up. But Sarita remained down until Divya mentioned the plan. In fact, I was thinking today that even if Raj had given her proper rights and moved on with her (not in a passionate way), but in a way that things work in an arranged marriage, she would have become insecure if Raj had encountered Divya. She would have resented Raj's past with Divya because she is very possessive about Raj. So she cannot tolerate that he did special things for a different girl than her.

Also, Sarita giving advice to Gaurav was preserving her own interests. She drew Gaurav away because his presence would have alerted Raj. So their plans would have backfired. Her giving assurances to Gaurav was in her interest because Gaurav as Divya's fiance is a guarantee for her that Divya would not break her promises. She would not want Gaurav to have second thoughts about marrying Divya which he should because Divya has not moved on. So that sane advice was more for her than for Divya.

Raj - Raj is his usual self - blind to things he does not want to see. Now in his guilt, he is listening to Divya and ignoring his instinct that Divya is here for some other reason. Also that Sarita may misunderstand his gestures as love. That's why in the end, he was so blindly lighting all candles (a push from Divya making him behave like this) and wiping her tears , ignoring that loving look in her eyes. He was also reluctant to do things that were his special stuff for Divya. Only Divya could have made him do that.

Gaurav- Now this is the character that to me seemed different partially. His insecurity actually was not that different from what he has shown before. He has been shown to be insecure three times before. He is a nice guy and so has convinced himself and Divya that he is fine to wait for her to fall for him. But he started becoming insecure after the police station incident when he saw Divya so broken about Raj. The first time he showed his insecurity was when he asked Divya if she loved him after she called Raj's name. The second time was when Raj showed up at his house telling him that he was taking Raj's thing (Divya) and he was only getting her because Raj was stepping aside. The third time was today when Divya decided to go to Raj's house. He wanted to stop her from going, but knew he wouldn't be able to as Divya had made up her mind. Today he got insecure the same way when Divya did not pick up the phone. Previously, Divya had made him see the error in his reasoning and he had quickly apologized. Today, Sarita made him see Divya's point of view and he got reassured. So that part was fine for me.

What did not work for me today was Gaurav's somewhat clingy behavior as he is not that at all. Also his acceptability of Divya's plan and giddiness at this was totally out of character. He is very rational and he will not be giddy at the thought of such deceit. He had previously warned Divya about playing with Raj's emotions. Then when Raj had gone berserk on the rainy day (gundas attacking Divya), it was him who had asked Divya to stop Raj because he was afraid that Raj would kill somebody. So even though his insecurity was understandable, his sanctioning of Divya's underhanded methods was not in character.

Misti, so true about Gaurav losing his marbles in the last part. Why do creatives ruin a character just when I start liking him/her. I was so wishing for original Gaurav to be at Raj's place. I am still hoping that he would be turned back to the way he was and will not be ruined. I like him for Divya as his rational and calm nature balances out Divya's volatile and impulsive personality.

Ruchi, I do like your suggestion of having a song for Gaurav. Anything to get rid of Tulsi and Meera theme.

Now for your amusing scenes:

1. Kamu and Sohu are great. I don't like Kamu with Sarita scenes. But Kamu and Divya work for me because both have very good chemistry. Kamu and Sohu together of course are the best. I was laughing at Sohu's inner thoughts in yesterday's episode at Kamu's push to make Divya eat kheer. Today their special method of showing love for each other was hilarious. Then I was laughing when Kamu was taking dig at his having another woman though she herself is looking for another woman for her son. But their building castles of Raj and Divya not able to resist each other while Sarita is conscious was just too funny. I am wondering what would be their reaction if they find that Gaurav is still in the picture. Well, Raj had told Kamu to look for a groom for Sarita. If they know Gaurav is there, they would start thinking of him as a potential second husband for Sarita. Wonder what Kamu would use this time. She used poppy seeds for Divya, but what will be her medicine for Gaurav.

2. Sarita and Gaurav scene was bemusing to me. But I was thinking that Sarita does have brains and she uses them when needed. She used them with Kamu when Kamu really ticks her off. That happens whenever Kamu threatens to throw out Sarita from the house and hence from Raj. So then she finds something to threaten Kamu with and silences her.

3. Meera and Tulsi anthem are shown everyday. But the timing of one after another was indeed amusing. Since I had read your hilarious comment before watching it, I was happily anticipating hearing Tulsi theme for the first time.

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misti73

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Posted: 12 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: Angie12
Misti, your commentary is so hilarious that I was laughing even before the scene would come. Thanks Angie. 😉😉Usually I get irritated when they start playing Meera anthem or Tulsi anthem. But today, I was anticipating Tulsi anthem. You are right one finished and the other one started. Wow, these CVs. Have to hand it to them for showing this so faithfully even if they change their characters from one day to another. I found the quick change very amusing...

I too liked Divya and Raj and they were very cute and looked so much in tune that I almost rooted for them. The only reason I cannot do so is because of how Raj has treated Sarita for 10 years and this would always be a guilt factor for both if they get together. They can only be together if Sarita happily moves on in her life with someone else and that is not the case right now. Yes...they cannot move forward in their life if they feel guilty regarding Sarita. They can only be together if Sarita frees them from this guilt by stepping back and accepting that what has happened has happened and that for her own sake she has let her anger and bitterness go because at the end it was harming her more than anything or if she passes away and sets them free before leaving this world.

But it seemed as if Divya did want to cook with Raj not only because she wanted her plan to be successful, but also because she wanted to relive her past. Divya is really deluding herself when she thinks that Raj is moving on from her. Right now, Raj is all guilt ridden and is doing out of symapthy and guilt. Raj actually was the sanest one today in the beginning (not during the candle light dinner). He is apprehensive deep inside that Sarita and family may misunderstand this concern for love. Today he voiced that fear in front of Divya too because he relies on her for advice. He is going to feel really betrayed by Divya for all this deceit. Wonder who will he be angry at...Divya for breaking his trust and playing wth his feelings or Sarita for guilt tripping Divya into doing all this He has kept things that were meant exclusively for Divya away from Sarita. Now Divya is forcing him to do the same things for Sarita. Is this really the good strategy?No it is not The life with Sarita cannot be a replica of life with Divya. Sarita should not expect that and Divya should also not feel guilty enough to do that either. If she and Sarita are serious about Sarita having a life with Raj, it has to be different things that would bind them together. It can not be build on a memories of a past love that remains picture perfect for Raj. So I am not sure what Divya and Sarita are accomplishing by making him repeat the same things with Sarita. If anything, he would feel even more resentful of this when he finds out the truth.It seems that both Divya and Sarita thinks that Divya's place in Raj's life can be replaced by Sarita. You are right that it usually does not happen in this way. When a person moves on in life, the love that he is or she is moving on from does not automatically gets replaced like fill in the blanks with a new one...the old one stays and the new one usually makes a new place in one's heart and usually both are different from each other.

@Ruchi @Misti: Actually my opinion differs somewhat here about characters' behavior today. Sarita and Divya were pretty consistent in how they have been so far. Raj is well Raj. Only Gaurav's behaviour was odd. But only the last part. did you read my response to Ruchi's comment...to me Divya and Sarita have not changed...Raj is an anomaly because his change is a sudden one for me...I mean it is as if someone hit him on his head and he woke up...but there was something different in Gaurav today.

Divya - She is very goal oriented, but has a tendency to feel guilty. So she keeps on feeling guilty about deceiving Raj, but has decided that it is necessary for a good cause - to get Sarita her rights. So she is justifying everything. So she remains the same. Yes she focuses on a cause which is usually a good one and everything else takes a backseat for that cause. Since she is by nature an honest person and cares about other's feelings, she also tends to get very guilty when she is lieing or when she feels that others have got hurt due to her actions...the actions might be direct or indirect ones.

Sarita - She is still insecure and remains wary of Divya regardless of her apology to Divya. She doesn't care about Divya's shattered feelings. But gets sad even if Divya accidently mentions past. She forgets that Divya's past was well before she was ever in picture. Divya true to her nature realized her blunder and immediately apologized to Sarita and tried to cheer her up. But Sarita remained down until Divya mentioned the plan. In fact, I was thinking today that even if Raj had given her proper rights and moved on with her (not in a passionate way), but in a way that things work in an arranged marriage, she would have become insecure if Raj had encountered Divya. She would have resented Raj's past with Divya because she is very possessive about Raj. So she cannot tolerate that he did special things for a different girl than her.

Also, Sarita giving advice to Gaurav was preserving her own interests. Yes She drew Gaurav away because his presence would have alerted Raj. So their plans would have backfired. Her giving assurances to Gaurav was in her interest because Gaurav as Divya's fiance is a guarantee for her that Divya would not break her promises.Yes and since Divya keeps on telling her that she has Gaurav to go back to, so she might want to ensure that Gaurav is present for Divya to return to him. She would not want Gaurav to have second thoughts about marrying Divya which he should because Divya has not moved on. So that sane advice was more for her than for Divya.Yes...

Raj - Raj is his usual self - blind to things he does not want to see. Now in his guilt, he is listening to Divya and ignoring his instinct that Divya is here for some other reason. Also that Sarita may misunderstand his gestures as love. That's why in the end, he was so blindly lighting all candles (a push from Divya making him behave like this) and wiping her tears , ignoring that loving look in her eyes. He was also reluctant to do things that were his special stuff for Divya. Only Divya could have made him do that. True the similarities are there between how he is being blid now and how he was being blind when Sarita was being mis-treated in the 10 years.

Gaurav- Now this is the character that to me seemed different partially. His insecurity actually was not that different from what he has shown before. He has been shown to be insecure three times before. He is a nice guy and so has convinced himself and Divya that he is fine to wait for her to fall for him. But he started becoming insecure after the police station incident when he saw Divya so broken about Raj. The first time he showed his insecurity was when he asked Divya if she loved him after she called Raj's name. The second time was when Raj showed up at his house telling him that he was taking Raj's thing (Divya) and he was only getting her because Raj was stepping aside. The third time was today when Divya decided to go to Raj's house. He wanted to stop her from going, but knew he wouldn't be able to as Divya had made up her mind. Today he got insecure the same way when Divya did not pick up the phone. Previously, Divya had made him see the error in his reasoning and he had quickly apologized. Today, Sarita made him see Divya's point of view and he got reassured. So that part was fine for me.

What did not work for me today was Gaurav's somewhat clingy behavior as he is not that at all. Also his acceptability of Divya's plan and giddiness at this was totally out of character. He is very rational and he will not be giddy at the thought of such deceit. He had previously warned Divya about playing with Raj's emotions. Then when Raj had gone berserk on the rainy day (gundas attacking Divya), it was him who had asked Divya to stop Raj because he was afraid that Raj would kill somebody. So even though his insecurity was understandable, his sanctioning of Divya's underhanded methods was not in character.Angie even if I accept his insecurity as being true to character, it is his new found clingyness and him sanctioning Divya's plans regarding playing with Raj's emotions that I am finding very strange. He himself was vary of Raj's emotions that he is very volatile so how can he accept Divy'a plans.

Misti, so true about Gaurav losing his marbles in the last part. Why do creatives ruin a character just when I start liking him/her. I was so wishing for original Gaurav to be at Raj's place. I am still hoping that he would be turned back to the way he was and will not be ruined. I like him for Divya as his rational and calm nature balances out Divya's volatile and impulsive personality.

Ruchi, I do like your suggestion of having a song for Gaurav. Anything to get rid of Tulsi and Meera theme.

Now for your amusing scenes:

1. Kamu and Sohu are great. I don't like Kamu with Sarita scenes.Me too But Kamu and Divya work for me because both have very good chemistry.that they do. Kamu and Sohu together of course are the best.Oh yes...nobody can beat that. I was laughing at Sohu's inner thoughts in yesterday's episode at Kamu's push to make Divya eat kheer. That was hilarious and his expressions were perfect Today their special method of showing love for each other was hilarious. Then I was laughing when Kamu was taking dig at his having another woman though she herself is looking for another woman for her son. But their building castles of Raj and Divya not able to resist each other while Sarita is conscious was just too funny. I am wondering what would be their reaction if they find that Gaurav is still in the picture. Well, Raj had told Kamu to look for a groom for Sarita. If they know Gaurav is there, they would start thinking of him as a potential second husband for Sarita. Wonder what Kamu would use this time. She used poppy seeds for Divya, but what will be her medicine for Gaurav. Actually I won't be surprised if they decide to use Gaurav.

2. Sarita and Gaurav scene was bemusing to me. But I was thinking that Sarita does have brains and she uses them when needed. She used them with Kamu when Kamu really ticks her off. That happens whenever Kamu threatens to throw out Sarita from the house and hence from Raj. So then she finds something to threaten Kamu with and silences her.Yes she does have brains...otherwise she would not have given the payal to Divya as a means of keeping track of her.

3. Meera and Tulsi anthem are shown everyday. But the timing of one after another was indeed amusing. Since I had read your hilarious comment before watching it, I was happily anticipating hearing Tulsi theme for the first time.It was the timing that amused me.

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ruchisahay

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Posted: 12 years ago

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@Angie and misti

why I feel Sarita, divya and Raj are behaving differently. Hmmm let me try to explain.

Sarita- from the beginning she has been very self absorbed and wasn't even acknowledging Divya's pain and help. I remember calling her a bully. Also, I remember reading comments about her insensitivity when she told Divya about bed sharing and did not register Divya's hurt. Today she was gracious in acknowledging that Divya does not owe her anything, also accepted that it is tough for Divya. She also tried to understand Gaurav's issues and calmly explain to him why she thought he was wrong. Agree that she had other motives but when have we ever seen Sarita capable of understanding others' pov. For whatever reason, she expressed gratitude to Divya and accepted that she has no claim on her. Such clarity of thought is not something I expect from Sarita. Sure she has had some lucid moments but they were always about understanding or accepting the hopelessness of her own situation.

Divya - we all loved the openness and honesty inherently present in her. The way she accepted before her siblings that she was jealous of sarita, how she was so direct with gaurav about her past, her feelings. Now, on sarita's insistence she did not pursue the direct approach - that's still ok. She tried to make raj realize his mistakes, that's also fine. But her micro managing raj is something I find very weird. She is almost herding Raj towards Sarita - cook food, candle light dinner, eat in bedroom. Sarita Raj relation is opposite of open or honest at the moment and both are equal partners in that but Divya is the master planner. Goal oriented she is but does that description cover all the deceit, stupidity and manipulation?

Raj - well he's an enigma but based on whatever we have seen in the beginning Raj resented Sarita emotionally ( though was a little courteous at times) and Sarita was afraid of him. The venom with which he rejected her after their wedding was striking. She even thought he was capable of hitting her. Now suddenly he's sharing bed with her - that was his choice and not asked by Divya. He's wiping off her tears, spelling 'candle light dinner' - he could have just kept mum after lighting the candles.

no wonder Gaurav is going crazy - how else can he keep up with these 3?

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usha

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Posted: 12 years ago

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nice analysis misti,angie everyone iam relaxed finally they brought gaurav(😃) into the pic with change in his char(😡) day by day iam loosing interest in the show and seeing fall in trps they r not changig and saritha char is irritating to me feeling sad for ruby😭😭😭 as they r wasting her talent

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Angie

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: ushasri
nice analysis misti,angie everyone iam relaxed finally they brought gaurav(😃) into the pic with change in his char(😡) day by day iam loosing interest in the show and seeing fall in trps they r not changig and saritha char is irritating to me feeling sad for ruby😭😭😭 as they r wasting her talent

Ushasri, they are wasting everyone's talent here. Actors playing Sohan, Kamla and leads - Karan, Rubina and Shristy are all good and suit their roles. It is the execution, script, half-baked characterization, and obsession with their theme (Sarita as Meera, Divya as Tulsi) that is ruining the show.

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Angie

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Posted: 12 years ago

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@Misti, I did read your response to Ruchi. My partial disagreement with you was only on Gaurav's part (insecuirty one) and everything else was in response to Ruchi's post. You are right that even that extreme insecurity was not in Gaurav's character. When Gaurav feels insecure, he talks to Divya and quickly realizes his error in expecting too much from Divya too soon. But his confiding in Sarita and seeking reassurances from her seemed odd. Still I can expect that because since the earlier incident, he has seen other things such as Divya falling apart badly the day Raj left in anger after saving her from would be rapists or Raj's intense passion for Divya. So probably Divya liviing for so many days in close vicinity of Raj and not taking his messages (essentially forgetting about him) raised his insecurities. But the rest was all out of character and could be shown just to elevate Sarita.

@Ruchi, I see your points about 3 characters - Divya, Raj and Sarita and can accept what you are saying about three characters. In broad sense, Divya and Sarita are still the same and they came across like that. But in narrow sense, I understand what you are saying.

Probably creatives have read viewers interpretation of Sarita and trying to elevate her to a character who is actually not self-absorbed. But even yesterday, she still came out to be self-absorbed to me. If they hadn't showed her sudden looking sad at Divya's accidental mention of Raj's college life, I would not have thought that way. I can even understand her sadness as she hasn't seen the way Raj used to be. But she got insecure with Divya even bringing up something that was way before her time. She expects so much from Divya without even having a small consideration for Divya's feelings.

As far as lucid moments are concerned, Sarita have them from time to time. But she reverts back to delusional world. Even with Shiela, she had admitted that it was better to let go of false hopes and reunite Raj with Divya if that is what Raj wants. She does have gratitude for Divya when Divya is doing things for her that brings her in contact with Raj. She loses her mind when she sees Divya with Raj in any capacity. She had even called Divya devi in one of her monologues. So she does believe in half of what she said to Gaurav. But her advise to Gaurav came as preserving her own interests the way she has been shown so far.

Divya - I agree with your part about micromanaging. She is so focused on her goal that she puts everything else behind. But an inherently honest person will not go to the extent that she was shown going yesterday. It would have been more logical if they had shown her pushing Raj to cook for Sarita and taking the food to her room. It should have been Sarita who would have cut off the electricity to make Raj feed her in candlelight. This is typical serial world where CVs have to show that the great sacrificing lead is doing everything. Also this way they can show Sarita to be just a Meera type character who is unaware of everything and is just revelling in Raj's love. Instead of focusing on Sarita as Meera (which she is not), they could have remained easily consistent with both Divya and Sarita's characters. Both Divya and Sarita are flawed. Why turn them into one-dimensional characters when it is not needed.

But if they had really thought about proper characterization, they would have shown Raj the way he was shown for 10 years who suddenly woke up to act totally different. Why take it so extreme where Raj cannot even offer Sarita a bed in a different room or get her a new bed in the same room?

Raj - That theory that Raj's treatment of Sarita is his resentment stemming from father's autocratic behavior and the way he acted in anger with Sarita is more logical than what is being shown here. I can understand him thinking of Sarita as his responsibility, but the way they have shown his transition from one to another is very jarring. The problem is with the lame two lines back story they have shown so far. I don't know if the story has changed (in response to TRPs) or they are keeping things wrapped up (God knows why), but there were hints in the beginning of something that happened during the last meeting between Divya and Raj 10 years ago (talked about in the confrontration and also a promo was shown about two having some sort of romantic moments). But that promo was never followed up by an actual episode or two and everything has been swept under the rug. That's why viewers are getting so turned off with the whole story because so many things are not connecting at all.