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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Ruchi Thanks for the post. Regarding Raj I cannot connect to him. For me to understand his as a character I need to know how Raj and Divya separated and exactly what happened between them. What made him marry Sarita? If he loved Divya so much then couldn't he have just walked out of the house and suported himself? Did the father threaten/manipulate him with his sister's welfare if he did not marry Sarita?

@Angie based n what they have shown regarding Raj it seems that in his delusional mind he does not acknowledge the existance of Sarita as his wife.He knows that Sarita has been wronged but he does not think that he has any responsibility towards her.His family forced him to get married to her and so it is his family who has wronged Sarita and thats why it is their responsibilty to get her married again (thats what he told his aunt). If Sarita decides to leave them also she is most welcome to because according to him he does not have any relationship with her. He is like a simmering volcano who is ready to burst and when it bursts destruction will follow. Gaurav was right in warning Divya regarding Raj. Raj is so caught up in his delusions and emotions that he has until now subdued that he was not even realising that he was actually manhandling Divya and hurting the person whom he claims to love more than anybody. Wonder what will happen to him when it sinks in him that he is the person who is hurting the person whom he loves the most? Couple of scenes made me very intrigued regarding Sarita. She was worried that how will Sohanlal react if he meets Divya who is Raj's ex-girlfriend. Then in one scene Raj sarcastically told Sohanlal that he has a habit regarding buying expensive things and forcing the gifts on others. That made me wonder that did Sarita know Raj before marriage? Did she want to get married to Raj because she liked him?

Coming to Divya-Raj's scene...I too thought that it was edited too. Wonder why did they do that? To focus on melodrama? Or is it that they wanted to divert the audience's attention from the chemistry/interaction that is shared between Rubina and Karan? Do they think that the audience getting connected to this chemistry might force them to divert from the path that they have determined that this story should take?


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Angie12

@Ruchi, I was also thinking the same thing. That as much as he hates his father, he is doing the same thing. The lack of remorse in his eyes when he saw Sarita looking stricken stuck me. Divya had his wedding photo in her hands and Sarita as his wife was standing in front of him. When are CVs going to concentrate on him so that his actions can be explained (even if they are wrong) to audience. His looking mesmerized at Divya or unintentionally going towards her in a daze is understandable because those are subconscious reactions. But this was too much especially when Sarita as a reminder is here.


He definitely is in an alternate world where he is not married (in his mind) and thinks of this love he has for Divya above any law or anything. He did leave her alone when he found about her engagement (was it bruised ego or a sense of betrayal?). But now finding out that she came to look for him prior to the engagement, broke her wedding and is staying at his house under a flimsy pretext is acting as a green signal for him. Probably seeing her still together with Gaurav and Gaurav putting her arms around her acted as a trigger. Instead of star-crossed lover, he is coming across as an obsessive person who needs help. Is that what creatives are trying to show. I have no clue because even after 4 weeks, Raj is on a sideline on whose character no attention is being paid. Even yesterday, the scene was cut between him and Divya because they wanted to show unnecessary melodrama.
From the precap, it had seemed as if falling on the bed was an accident and then he just couldn't let it go. That would have made it subconscious thing again, but it did not come across like that. I think it was again editing problem that made it seem like this. Regardless, lack of remorse at being seen together with Divya was very significant. From his point of view, Sarita doesn't know that Divya is his ex and yet he was not concerned at all how she would feel finding this out.

Then there are all these contradictions being shown here. The family had decided not to tell Raj about Divya's visit because previously he had reacted badly to her name being mentioned. But then that day, they were casually talking about her visit. The family is so delusional that they cannot even connect dots of Divya being his ex.


@Angie. Nice post and I love the way you pen down your thoughts with so much clarity.
For more than a week we have been cribbing about lack of focus of Raj's thought process - maybe CVs have no explanation for him . I am right now most interested in seeing how exactly does Raj view Sarita - she has been sharing his bedroom for 10 years, so he must be having some opinion of what she is to him and how they look to the outer world. That she is inconsequential to him is a given. But as he seems to be "not inhuman" (that's the best compliment I can give to him) - he must be justifying Sarita's abuse in some way.
Also, what he does he think of Divya, her success and her return. 10 years have passed by and still he hugged her without her permission - which I absolutely hated. He loves her and hopes that he is the reason she has returned (he is not sure as far as I understood from his resolution of trying to find Divya's intent) - is that hope enough to initiate physical intimacy? In college we used to have guys who would interpret a girl's glance as green signal- I have already told you about girl - guy ratio which sort of fed such behavior. "I thought she too wanted the same" is not a good enough justification in my opinion. I know he loves her (or he thinks he does) but that action came across as cheap and crass. Shouldn't he try to talk to her - communicate, clarify, sort out things, tell her his marriage is a sham, ask her abut her relationship with Gaurav?
Another contradiction that baffles me -
Raj fights for an unknown girl (about to be raped) but does not fight against physical abuse his Mom goes through (her husband has threatened her several times with physical punishment and looks the kind to have executed it as well). Maybe he thinks it's ok for a husband to abuse his wife - that would explain why he never fights for his Mom. Maybe he thinks only physical abuse is bad and mental abuse is fine - so he's okay with his Mom's humiliation (her husband's mistress living in her house( and what he's also fine with what Sarita is subjected to by him and his family.
From your post:
Yesterday, I was struck by the delusion of parents. Both parents are talking about 2nd marriage with a famous star who is also beautiful and rich and is engaged to a successful guy. What makes them think that any girl let alone such a star would want to be a mistress of their married son who is just a scrap dealer? To say the least, the entire family including Raj is delusional.
👏. Either delusional or megalomaniacs - suffering from God complex.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: misti73

@Ruchi Thanks for the post. Regarding Raj I cannot connect to him. For me to understand his as a character I need to know how Raj and Divya separated and exactly what happened between them. What made him marry Sarita? If he loved Divya so much then couldn't he have just walked out of the house and suported himself? Did the father threaten/manipulate him with his sister's welfare if he did not marry Sarita?

@Angie based n what they have shown regarding Raj it seems that in his delusional mind he does not acknowledge the existance of Sarita as his wife.He knows that Sarita has been wronged but he does not think that he has any responsibility towards her.His family forced him to get married to her and so it is his family who has wronged Sarita and thats why it is their responsibilty to get her married again (thats what he told his aunt). If Sarita decides to leave them also she is most welcome to because according to him he does not have any relationship with her. He is like a simmering volcano who is ready to burst and when it bursts destruction will follow. Gaurav was right in warning Divya regarding Raj. Raj is so caught up in his delusions and emotions that he has until now subdued that he was not even realising that he was actually manhandling Divya and hurting the person whom he claims to love more than anybody. Wonder what will happen to him when it sinks in him that he is the person who is hurting the person whom he loves the most? Couple of scenes made me very intrigued regarding Sarita. She was worried that how will Sohanlal react if he meets Divya who is Raj's ex-girlfriend. Then in one scene Raj sarcastically told Sohanlal that he has a habit regarding buying expensive things and forcing the gifts on others. That made me wonder that did Sarita know Raj before marriage? Did she want to get married to Raj because she liked him?

Coming to Divya-Raj's scene...I too thought that it was edited too. Wonder why did they do that? To focus on melodrama? Or is it that they wanted to divert the audience's attention from the chemistry/interaction that is shared between Rubina and Karan? Do they think that the audience getting connected to this chemistry might force them to divert from the path that they have determined that this story should take?


Misti, I totally agree with your analysis. They are putting a lot of emphasis on Sarita coming from a rich family. Also, yesterday it was hinted that Sarita may be the only daughter of her father, the way Sohan Lal is eying her father's wealth. Shiela is 23, yet nobody is thinking about her marriage. But Raj was married though he was barely 20 (maybe younger). Who marries at that age even in conservative families in this day and age? Sarita also is coming somewhat obsessive about Raj. So I am wondering if she did know him prior to the marriage. Else why would a rich guy from a high class family marry his daughter to a son of a scrap dealer. Also as you mentioned, she did not want Sohan Lal to meet Divya. That part is again left as a mystery. Will they ever explain all this? How do they expect audience to connect to their lead character Raj if he would be kept on sidelines all the times. It has been now 4 weeks already.
I also think that CVs are not showing Raj's viewpoint or his history with Divya (why and how they separated and how did he get married) because Rubina and Karan have this great chemistry and audience usually root for a couple that has chemistry and star-crossed lovers. That editing of yesterday's scene was totally inexcusable as it totally cut off Divya and Raj's scene. So it again became a half-baked episode with too much melodrama from Kamla (whose screeching is now making me want to fast forward her scenes).
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Well CVs need to clarify Raj's character. It is in a smoky situation. We don't know enough of him. So his every step is mysterious to us.
I think Raj lives in his own created world where he doesn't think he is married. He always dreamt about Divya in his subconscious mind. So whenever he comes near to her he can't control himself. But one thing I'm not liking CVs are focusing on physical love more than love of two minds. In case of Raj Sarita and in case of Raj Divya both. Love which we call eternal love isn't related to body.
It is heart to heart connection.
Yeah RaVya share that love but CVs are focusing on physique too.
I'm just hating that Raj dnt have any dialogue why? Why didn't he come and talk with Div?
Needs to develop Raj as a lead more.
And if u compare Raj with Sohanlal then u are wrong. They are totally diffrent. Sohanlal is a womenholic. He is maintaining two wives parallely. He has physical relation with both of them.
But Raj is a strong character who dedicated himself to Divya only. He doesn't feel any attraction for Sarita.
And the very first approach came from Divya's side. That hug from Divya in rain and Divya's leaving wedding mid way- all worked as a green signal for Raj to take that step.
He knew that Div still loves him and all Div's behaviour was like proofs of her love for Raj. Raj connected all incidents together and made decision that she also wants him.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: SushantFan_Afss

Well CVs need to clarify Raj's character. It is in a smoky situation. We don't know enough of him. So his every step is mysterious to us.
I think Raj lives in his own created world where he doesn't think he is married. He always dreamt about Divya in his subconscious mind. So whenever he comes near to her he can't control himself. But one thing I'm not liking CVs are focusing on physical love more than love of two minds. In case of Raj Sarita and in case of Raj Divya both. Love which we call eternal love isn't related to body.
It is heart to heart connection.
Yeah RaVya share that love but CVs are focusing on physique too.
I'm just hating that Raj dnt have any dialogue why? Why didn't he come and talk with Div?
Needs to develop Raj as a lead more.
And if u compare Raj with Sohanlal then u are wrong. They are totally diffrent. Sohanlal is a womenholic. He is maintaining two wives parallely. He has physical relation with both of them.
But Raj is a strong character who dedicated himself to Divya only. He doesn't feel any attraction for Sarita.
And the very first approach came from Divya's side. That hug from Divya in rain and Divya's leaving wedding mid way- all worked as a green signal for Raj to take that step.
He knew that Div still loves him and all Div's behaviour was like proofs of her love for Raj. Raj connected all incidents together and made decision that she also wants him.

Agree that Raj is not a womenholic like his Dad - but he's so passive about the entire abuse faced by both his Mom and Sarita that he does come across as an abuser too. On one side, he saves unknown girl from molestation but when his dad threatens to hit his Mom, he's okay, when his family taunts and abuses Sarita, he's okay (he didn't speak a word till sarita literally begged him), when his dad's mistress struts around, he's okay. Such passivity means one of 2 things - either he doesn't find these scenarios too bad or has logistical problem with standing up . Since we can rule out logistical problem (as he's working and can support himself), doesn't that mean he is an accomplice in all the injustice being done.
About the bold part - doesn't that sound more like psychological illness than love? Love is a relationship shared by two individuals, however deep or divine it might be - then how does it become bigger than justice (to his Mom, to Sarita)?
Also, irrespective of what Raj thinks about his marital status, the fact is that he is married and when he initiates any kind of romance with Divya, it's adultery.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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As for Raj ,s reaction . Divya coming to his place before , then breaking of her marriage , then when he saved her , hugging her and then coming to his place as bride . Poor guy what he will think about all this . PH has to do the reality check what it wants to show . There are many gaps in the story , why sarita,s father will marry her daughter in this family ? her background .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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sometimes when ur in love you dont think so much☺️
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Ruchi: Thanks for liking my posts. You too write pretty clearly yourself.
There are lot of contradictions they are showing for Raj I really hope that they show more of Raj than has been shown so far. That involves showing his separation from Divya, forcing of marriage by the father, the relationship with the father prior to the marriage, his reaction to Sundari etc. So far they have focused on showing emotions of Sarita and have neglected Divya and Raj probably as Misti mentioned that they have a story in mind where they want it to PV of Sarita and Raj. All that is fine, but audience need to connect all three characters if they want to like the story. Also because they are not putting any emphasis on Raj, even Sarita has started to come across as an obsessive personality with her actions not comprehensive to many. Of three, Divya is the only one who is coming across as someone relatable because many girls do sacrifice their happiness to take care of their families.
As far as Raj tolerating abuse of his mother, so far they have only shown Sohan Lal abusing Kamla in Raj's absence. In fact, his threat of hitting Kamla has always come after Raj's definance and in his absence. So in that regards, I will give Raj benefit of doubt. Also they have shown Kamla getting happy when she is given even a mild importance by Sohan Lal. So all the blame (as Dadi also has the same opinion) goes to Sundari. Kamla that way is very similar to Sarita who too only blames Divya and not Raj. She waited until Raj left before blasting Divya.
But regardless, there is Sundari. Raj has been ignoring her. Is it that he protested in the beginning and Kamla became defensive and stopped him? From what they have shown of his personality so far, he does not seem like an unkind person and does in fact help strangers even if it is in an aloof detached manner. He stopped his tempo when people requested him to do so and gave the ride to Divya. Then when tempo broke down and no help was coming, he did pick her up and carried her until he got the ride from Gaurav.
Rest of the behavior will not be explained until they show his monologues or his conversations with Divya as she is the only one to whom he responds. As far as pushing her on the bed and not letting go of her, the first part was shown as an accident in precap. But then he did man handle her towards the end by not listening to her and not letting her go. He does feel ownership over her and he had put it quite forcefully to Gaurav that when he went to return the bail money. That's why Gaurav is wary of him and was rightfully pointing out to Divya about the folly of going back to Raj's life because Raj is to intense and seems to lose his sense when something about Divya triggers his emotions. Probably it was a combination of Gaurav putting his arms around her and Divya ignoring him when she came to his house. In any case, it was not a right behavior and hope they show some sort of emotion or conversation about this.
You chose the right word "megalomaniac" to describe Sohan Lal He has got away with a lot of things and Kamla, Sundari and two daughters feed his immense ego. Now Divya coming to his house has made him think of himself as way too important. That's why all this is coming out.
By the way, now Divya seems to be bawarchi (Rajesh Khanna) who will bring happiness to Sarita's life (Jaya Bhaduri in the movie) by reforming the entire family.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Divya is quite mature , who took responsibility of her siblings at some young age . She must be now 28-29 . .What song of seven vows these makes thrust down the viewers throat , when because of that girls sometimes goes on suffering their whole life . Why do not come out something progressive thought process . Even girls from well to do family , some times goes on suffering silently , do not tell their parents , not to worry them .Have seen even educated girls .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Neerjaa

Divya is quite mature , who took responsibility of her siblings at some young age . She must be now 28-29 . .What song of seven vows these makes thrust down the viewers throat , when because of that girls sometimes goes on suffering their whole life . Why do not come out something progressive thought process . Even girls from well to do family , some times goes on suffering silently , do not tell their parents , not to worry them .Have seen even educated girls .

Seven vows - when I first read that news I thought it was very progressive (I mistook that for Sarita-Divya wedding 😆). Agree with you. That was way too dramatic, too OTT and kind of stunted.
Agree with you about your other point as well. I have a very close friend from college. This girl has attractive personality and a great career as scientist in top government research institute. After marriage, she had to walk out after 2 months (eventually ending up divorced) as that guy was seriously abusive. You know what, she felt so low after hearing everyone's taunts that she quit her job and stayed in her hometown for 8 months, not meeting anybody, never going out. Finally she was able to move on - is back to work and keeping herself busy in various activities she enjoys. But man it's tough - even her closest relative said that she should have tried to change the guy with her love - nobody paid attention to her dark circles which almost reached her cheeks in just 2 months 😡😡.

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