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Posted: 12 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: misti73

Ok here is my view regarding the show. Basically for me it is not important who lands up with whom. At this moment I am watching this show because I am finding Divya, Sarita and Raj very human characters with human qualities in them. None of them are mahaan and none of them are negative. They are all reacting to circumstances based on what they know of the situations and also on their nature and their ideals/ expectations from life.

I do have some questions...
1)Why did Divya run away hiding from Raj when she is a very open person? If she can tell everything to Yash who is a stranger to her then why did she not explain herself to Raj? Or did she explain and Raj was not able to accept her POV regarding looking after her siblings and wanted her to sacrifice them for him? Did she think that once Raj's anger decreases then he will understand her POV and wait for her?
2) It was shown that Sarita knew that Raj loves someone else and he does not want to get married...then why did she marry him? Since she was openly waqrning her MIL that she might tell her parents then it cannot be that she is worried that her parents will not support her if the truth comes out. Did she think that she can woo Raj and make him forget Divya? Did Raj's family member hoodwink her in getting married to Raj by telling her that after marriage everything will be ok.
3) Raj loved Divya then why didn't he wait for her? Did he get married to Sarita because his ego was hurt because he thought that Divya did not give him importance? His father might have forced him but being a man could he not have stood his ground? Couldn't he not have walked out of his family and supported himself?


Regarding not showing Divya's viewpoint clearly...maybe that is to do with the screenplay.Either they might be bringing her down in front of the audience only to show a twist where they will bring her up by showing that she is the person who is going to make Raj-Sarita's relationship work. The other option is that they might show Raj getting together with Divya..but then the twist might be that Sarita is not really positive. Ultimately it all depends on TRP regarding who is going to land with whom. That is why I am more interested in the journey of these three characters and not in who ends with whom.



Nice to see you here Misti. Love reading your comments as always.

I have the same questions going around in my mind, that you have highlighted.

For me, Divya doesn't come across as Selfish but yes, her expectations from Raj to have waited for her, for 10 yrs seems a little too much. Though its a different thing that he is still standing at the same point where she left him! I mean, she could have expected the same had she given him some assurance of return or promised to keep in touch. But none. Why?

And what happened to Raj at the last moment? I too kept pondering that was it his ego and hurt combined together that made him take this rash decision at the end moment to land up at the venue and marry Sarita?

Yup, the best thing about this show so far is the fact that all leads are human characters with their own insecurities, pains, sorrows, dilemmas and how their decisions to tackle these problems brought them in such circumstances!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#92
Today I was struck with the symbolism of the family/khandani occupation of the Jakhotias being raddiwalas, that is dealing with junk --recycling it, taking it apart, and disposing of it. In a similar fashion, with the exception of Raj, they air out their internal garbage in their family dynamics also, calling each other names, blaming and yelling at each other. Usually in TV serials, the families are very concerned about saving their name and reputation by going great lengths to conceal their shortcomings and put up a polite front, but here it is the opposite. For this reason, I find it refreshing that in PV ENU the characters are shown to have no qualms whatsoever in enacting their relationship by airing out their grouses in front of guests. First Divya, and now the new America-returned Mausi were treated to the family dysfunction in full bloom. Since they are unable to listen to each other, it appears that they need an audience to vent out their frustration and communicate with one another. It will be interesting to watch how this proceeds, and what it will take for the characters to grow and evolve and for each one to get out of the victim mode. Also posted on the main forum under the topic
"Airing out the family dysfunction"
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Posted: 12 years ago
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What a woman will do , if she does not have any support and just getting abused and working like a maid and Raj knows what kind of treatment is given to her , whose fault is this if he did not have enough guts to stand for himself and succumbed to pressure . what kind of nonsense that woman was going on uttering and blaming Sarita as if she is just some part of the furniture. How much a woman can take abusing and to what extent ..I really liked when she took Raj to the task, he is equally responsible for the state she is in now .
How can you respect a person who does not have backbone , if you married the girl then should also take the responsibility of your actions ..Divya,s family is affectionate and care for each other. Yes i liked sarita,s outburst. just watching this show because of Rubina otherwise not interested in this kind of language and all ..Divya should thanking her stars she was not married in this uncouth family as she was not ant celebrity then , her life would have been hell .

Divya,s family appears to be cultured and must be , when her parents were alive . She would have never met Raj,s family in her college days ...

Its all about , how the story unfolds in coming time


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Posted: 12 years ago
#94
Something is not clicking in the show for me. I felt it yesterday when all the rain scenes were shown. Today, things even became more baffling. Divya and her family actually came out to be more realistic than either Raj or Sarita. There are issues with Divya too as to why she assumed that Raj would wait for her for 10 years or why did she not contact him even once in 10 years. But her character is making the most sense out of these 3 characters. Raj, Sarita and his family came out to be caricatures for me today. it is Raj and Sarita's characters that became suddenly unbelievable for me after today's episode. Also Raj's family is becoming monotonous with same type of taunts for Sarita and Sarita reacting in the same way after taunts. Maasi's interaction with Sarita actually turned me off because it just went on and on followed by Sarita and Raj with Raj standing like a statue. I only liked the part where Divya's interaction with her family was shown because at least 1/4th of the epsiode had something other than screaming matches.

It was unrealistic that Raj only spoke up for Sarita for the first time in 10 years. It was unrealistic that Raj did not know that his family was mistreating Sarita for 10 years and suddenly woke up to the fact that he ruined her life. A guy who is so aware that he switches off the fan so that Sarita doesn't feel cold, is unaware of her treatment. That he just realized that she would be better off getting married again to some other guy who can give her happiness. I can understand that he is a different character than Divya who is very open. So he did not tell Sarita about his past or his inability to love her before marriage. But did he not even tell Sarita to move on with someone else once in 10 years? It is not even realistic that he did not have any physical relations with her for 10 years.

The way Sarita was shown taking off her clothes to seduce him, it seemed as if they have relations even if infrequently. That he is only emotionally detached with her. So that brings me to Sarita's character. She is coming from a rich influential family. She knows her inlaws (both father in law and mother-in-law) are scared of her family. She is strong and doesn't take crap. She retaliates even if she does not answer back at first. But she has guts to take on the entire family. So why did she take this crappy treatment for 10 years? Why did she not walk out even once? Even if she made a mistake in marrying Raj,, what were her motives for staying silent for so long?

So the creatives really need to show a backstory if they want to retain viewers interest. Right now, I am somewhat losing my interest in the story. Divya as a character makes more sense to me (despite some unexplainable behavior) than either Raj or Sarita at the moment. And this is ignoring Divya's unrealistic assumption that somebody would wait for her for 10 years without her even making a single contact. Did she tell him that she would be back after she fulfills her responsibilites. But still it is Sarita's character whom I am not able to understand at all. The creatives have created enough sympathy for her. But there has to be a reason for her madness and that needs to be explained.

Even if they don't show the entire backstory right now, they need to show at least few flashbacks that would at least explain partially the behavior of these characters. Is Sarita a masochist that she stays in this family? Is Raj so dense that he couldn't see his family's behavior towards Sarita? Did he only realize it today what Sarita is tolerating from his family? It seems rather late after 10 years. So unless they address these questions, characters would stop making sense. Keeping mystery is fine and good, but some things need to be made clear to audience.

Maasi was another repelling character that was introduced to just invoke the word "Punar Vivah" But was it necessary to show such an extreme character. Couldn't they have done it in a subtle manner. If she is so close to Kamla, how come she didn't know that Sarita and Raj have no kids.

So now CVs want to create a mystery if it would be a punar vivah of Sarita or Raj. Again I am not rooting for any couple. It may very well be Gaurav-Divya, Sarita-Raj or some other combination. But I want to be able to understand the characters. So far all three characters are coming out to be unrealistic in one way or another with Sarita topping the list.
Edited by why6 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I am hesitant to write anything because so many things are not making sense and there is too much unnecessary melodrama. On one side, the story is moving at such a fast pace, but on the other hand characters' actions and motives are kept so much in dark. I do hope that we get more explanation of the past story than has been given so far. Anyway, giving it a try for now.

The last two episodes were better compared to what was shown on Monday and Tuesday as they at least focused on emotions of lead characters - Raj, Sarita and Divya.

To me, Divya is coming out to be the sanest character of all three. I do not find anybody selfish as of now because everyone seems to be just looking for happiness. If I have to choose actions of three that have caused the most damage, I would have to say it is of Raj who neither has been able to move on and nor able to provide justice to his wife.

Even though the thought process of all three can be confusing, Sarita is the one that seems to be the most incomprehensible character to me based on what has been shown so far. They have shown couple of flashbacks for her and that has confused me even more.


Divya to me seems to be most emotionally mature of all three. She is an open book and by couple of lines given to her, it seems that she told Raj of her responsibilities. Yes, she expected too much when she thought Raj would wait for her for 10 years without her even contacting him once. In one sense, she was not wrong because Raj has been both physically and emotionally faithful to her for 10 years.

She was sad at leaving Raj, but managed to still enjoy life. She was even happily enjoying small things in train and looking forward to her life in Bhopal. Then she had hopes that Raj had waited for her. But still she decided to investigate it on her own and did it very tentatively by going alone to Raj's house, and then asking indirectly about Raj's marriage from his mother. She kept her fingers crossed all the time. She was shattered but decided to move on after seeing that her family wanted her to be settled. She chose the guy whom she thought to be more sensible and was honest with him. Then even when she found out that it was Raj who had rescued her that night and was the one in jail, she was honest with Gaurav rightaway. Then though she was broken at Raj giving up his dreams and not living up to his potential, she has enough zest for life to enjoy her wedding ceremonies. Also she is not blaming anybody (not even Raj) once. She was shattered that her ideals about Raj did not prove right, but she is also big hearted enough to give him entire credit for her transformation and her success. So I have to say that Divya has become the favorite character for me in this show.

Raj is the one who is the most emotionally damaged person among three. He is on a self-destructive path for 10 years and hasn't come out. Of course there is nobody in his family who understands him. Even his sister Sheela is coming out strange to me. She and Raj seems to be different from the rest of the family as both seem quite cultured. But she has also put the entire blame on Divya and none on her brother. Also she seems to be sympathetic to Sarita, but does not speak up for her. She only spoke up once and that too taunted her mother on the most vulnerable topic. And there seems to be no conversation between brother and sister on anything.

So on a question as to whom Should Raj end up - Divya or Sarita. I would say that nobody should end up with him at the moment. He needs to free up Sarita and needs to sort himself out before entering into relationship. Even if Divya comes back in his life, he would end up destroying her too the way he is at this moment. He needs help and maybe Divya is the best one to heal him. But he definitely doesn't deserve her either. Actually, I am finding Gaurav to be more suitable for Divya as of now. Of course Divya should only marry him once she gets her closure with Raj. In any case, still Raj's character can be understood if one correlates his behavior in context of his family - the missing father who seems to be a bully and a fishwife mother and a vindictive/user dadi. Wonder whose genes he inherited to be so artistic and sensitive (ignoring his treatment of Sarita in using this word).

Sarita too needs to sort herself out because either was she like that before marriage or this lunatic household has made her this way. But to me, she has become very Kamla like in her behavior. Since she is the one whose background or motivation is not provided and so her actions are not comprehensible to me.


She was shown to wait happily and without any worry for Raj on her wedding night. But didn't she hear just before the wedding that Raj was madly in love with someone else and that the father had arranged for his marriage without his knowledge. That he hadn't showed up for a long time and was forced to come for the marriage. So why did she look so happily anticipating his arrival?

1. Why did she marry him considering she is from a richer family? I do not buy the argument that it was to save family honor. I have seen in small towns where the marriages have broken the day of the wedding for one reason or another and the girl still being able to marry someone else after a short period especially if she belongs to a rich, influential family. Raj's family is nouveau rich who probably had a harder time finding acceptance in the society considering that scrap deal profession is considered inferior. Sarita's family (based on what was shown in the first episode) are in higher class and richer than Raj's family.

2. So I am assuming that she got married after she was given assurances by either her family or Raj's family or both that Raj would start loving her after marriage. She seems to be greatly in love with him based on how shocked she was at Raj discussing her second marriage. So why did she fall for him? It can't be his behavior after the marriage where he has ignored her and hasn't even protected her from his family. She is the one who seems to be fighting all her battles alone. So did she fall for him prior to the marriage and married him thinking that she would be able to make him love her.

Initially, I thought that she developed this fighting spirit after tolerating this abuse from Kamla and the daughters for so long. But in the last flashback, she had spirit even almost from the very beginning. So she was demanding Raj to give her the name of his girlfriend by withholding the ring that was precious to Raj and that ended up being broken because of their fight. What struck me was that she was not fighting with him about marrying her but wanted to know the girl's name. What did it matter who the girl was? The diary and the ring was his private property. Instead of confiscating that, she needed to confront him about ruining her life and not refusing the marriage.

So why no complain about that? No wonder all her anger is being directed towards Divya and not towards Raj. So according to her, Raj is the way he is because of Divya. But Raj always had a choice not to marry her especially as he is a guy.

So why did she not walk out of this marriage in all these 10 years when Raj was clear about not giving her any rights over him the first night. Either she is so madly in love with him where her illusions are being fed by Dadi that everything would be ok or she is coming from a family where she would not get any support if she walks out of this marriage. The creatives need to show a reason behind Sarita's reasons to stay in this marriage. Any girl would rebel once at least in 10 years. Here she has not walked out even once.

So along with Raj, Sarita also needs to sort herself out. She is putting blame on somebody who was not even in her life when she met Raj.

I am reserving my judgment on this whole drama of wife going to the girlfriend as they haven't shown it yet. But I do hope that they make few things clear before moving ahead with the story. The audience start losing interest if characters do not make sense.
Edited by why6 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Angie , your above post just reminded me the movies of 80,s when Sri Devi , Jaya Prada , Rekha , Reena Roy , Maushmi Chatterji ,with Jitendra or orthers ruled in Social movies , were tear jerkers . Triangle and all .

(So on a question as to whom Should Raj end up - Divya or Sarita. I would say that nobody should end up with him at the moment. He needs to free up Sarita and needs to sort himself out before entering into relationship. Even if Divya comes back in his life, he would end up destroying her too the way he is at this moment. He needs help and maybe Divya is the best one to heal him. But he definitely doesn't deserve her either. Actually, I am finding Gaurav to be more suitable for Divya as of now. Of course Divya should only marry him once she gets her closure with Raj. In any case, still Raj's character can be understood if one correlates his behavior in context of his family - the missing father who seems to be a bully and a fishwife mother and a vindictive/user dadi. Wonder whose genes he inherited to be so artistic and sensitive (ignoring his treatment of Sarita in using this word).)..

here i agree with your above lines. The guy who can not take a decision and succumbs to pressure and marry a girl . For me he is weakling , does not deserve Divya .Divya needs someone like Gaurav who is mature like her , understanding and sensible .
I am curious to know about Sarita,s background ,her parents . Money or education does not make you progressive its the mental set up are your family background. she was telling Dadi that i was not like this .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Neerja I agree that money and sometimes even education doesn't change mentaility. That's why I am reserving my judgment about Sarita. I am not saying that she is wrong or right in staying with Raj. I just want to understand why she made this choice of staying with him and serving his family when all she is getting is indifference from him and abuse from the family. I do not count Dadi and Sheela's mild support for her as support. Is it her choice either because of her beliefs or she is so much in love with him or has her family forced her to stay with him either by emotional blackmail or by not giving her financial support. But then Raj can give her financial support now as he is now independent. So need to see more explanations for her actions.

Raj's behavior at least is understandable in context of his family. He apparently did not tell Divya anything about his background. Divya did not even know the profession of his family. He had a separate life in college that was totally outside his family. His family either did not much about his interests or were disdainful about it. According to Divya's comments, he was quite a popular guy whom a lot of girls liked. He was very talented and artistic. And he was crazy about Divya. Divya seems to be girl who has a capacity to enjoy small and big things in life the way she has been shown so far. She was enjoying drinking tea in the train compartment, enjoys the attention she gets due to her fame, and seemed to enjoy her career too despite missing Raj in her life. His family on other hand is expert in playing victim blaming one or the other for their problems. Dadi does that, father does that, mother and now sisters are also doing that. So Divya more than likely was an escape for him from this kind of world. She probably was the only one with whom he could relate.

Divya on other hand has a loving normal family and she was not lost without him. She had an anchor before him and has an achor after him too. So both Divya and Raj's behavior to a large extent can be explained based on what has been shown of their background.

But nothing has been shown of Sarita's background and that's why I find it hard to understand her behavior. If they show some meaningful flashbacks between her hearing the truth and her marriage to Raj along with some intermediate comments in the following years after her family, then probably her character could make sense to me.

Or probably as Misti mentioned, this way they can twist the story in one way or other if they keep one character ambiguous. Her character is coming across as very ambiguous to me compared to Raj and Divya. That doesn't imply that I do not have sympathy for her or that she has not been wronged. She has tolerated a lot both from Raj and his family. Her anger at Divya is not justified but probably she is the only one she can approach now as she is not getting anywhere with either Raj or his family.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Angie , Both are at the cross roads . I liked divya,s character , she is sensible , mature person , her circumstances made her this way as she had to take the decisions for herself and for her family . She is open to gaurav about her relationship with raj .she did not hesitate to cry for Raj when she was in the car .She trusts him and knows he will understand you . Agree with you about Raj , He never had told Divya about his family and attracted to Divya as she was opposite of his family ..But about Sarita ,s character , i am confused , why did she marry Raj , she must had guessed that he was unwilling ..Why did not Raj told Sarita before marrying her that he would not love her as he loved someone else .
may be PH is keeping the viewers on guessing game . I liked Divya when she said to sarita that why did he marry when he could not take the responsibility .. I like the confrontation scene , where Sarita was right also and Divya was shocked by all this revelation ..In real life also people are very impressed with the cow like DIL who should be mute .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Sense and insensibility, drama melodrama , demand for acting in real life blame game and troubling accusing a past life on current situation , a wife stayed in a loveless marriage for10 years could not do anything .Was Divya a lover for 10 years did her life with Raj expand into 10 years before his force marriage a college love at the most can be 4 to 5 years ??? a lover boy who married because of pressures but could not move ahead with his wife and life ,still I am forming my opinion not yet decided but as on today what I have seen/ been shown upto now Divya and Gaurav and their families seem more mature reasonable.
Sarita seems blaming everyone for her woes family Raj Divya does not get my sympathy despite her troubles????? Expecting mahanta from Divya who has always/ seems to have put family and responsibilities before her happiness and herself and in a mature way accepted that Raj has moved on with his life despite being very sad about it. My POV
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Posted: 12 years ago
I truly still was scratching my head about the character of Sarita...As far upto me, even though they didn't show a POV of Raj, I can understand it...
Raj always was different from his family, and he who was more interested in art, some how fell in love with Divya, and loved her. He teached her how to be a proper girl, and made her what she is today. For me.. Raj considers Divya as his own and had whole emotional base on her. When she went away, he lost his emotional base and became detatched. I am okay with Raj's character till now.. Yes, but because of his bubble world... he made every one suffer.

And Divya... she was the most clear character for me, except for the reason why she stayed away from Raj. She was behaving like a normal girl, as human. A girl if she loves a boy truly, will think of him as her whole world, and gets obsessed with him. And thats what happened with Divya also, but she indeed decided to accept the truth and move on. As far I loved Divya... she was a bit more matured compared in the three...

And now come to the biggest caricature for me in the show...
Sarita... She know before marriage that Raj don't love her, and as far as what her characterisation was shown today, she was not a girl who fall for obligations easily. So why did she marry Raj, is it because she loved him. Okay, so for me it's sarita who appears to be more posessed and obsessed with Raj... and was the one who blames others for her mistakes. She was blaming every one except Raj for her situation, when it was Raj and herself, who was to be blamed. So I can't sympathise wiht her character at all...

And I am lookign forward for some scenes of Divya and Raj only, because those were the scenes where I can't find the competition of screamings

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