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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: piyarapiyari

Well all parents love their children equally bt it,s children time which sometimes goes wrong and thinks negatively that time they only c one side of a coin and feels that they r neglected and not loved by parents and even they don,t bother to c the other side which is gud and full of lve for them same for shakti Yaaa he always been scolded beaten by ss bt ss always lve him tooo when a track started of krish work that time ss cried and he told him that he is right hand of him to whom he can trust not baba although he love baba tooo bt he said this becoz every children have sme gud and bad points and for that ss always scold them and abuse wht can we do if KN has more bad points than baba!!! Always for father his elder son is like his right hand and last one is Ladla same is the case here shakti only saw his father angerness on him bt he never bother to c his father lve for him today Whtever he done was not at all acceptable he abused his father kicking out his own family like this that son never live happy in his life and we,ll c this in the upcoming episodes!!!!!!




Piyari... it's true that SS does love Shakti. And he has supported Shakti in some endeavors. But Sajjan Singh's fault is that he never shows his love for Shakti while he showers attention on Krishna. Wasn't Shakti bound to be resentful?

What Shakti did was unacceptable. Whatever your parents do, they are after all your parents, and it is our duty to take care of them when they need us. While Shakti should have learnt from this and showered love and attention on his son Samar, he became completely evil and learnt nothing at all.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: suk4

Good post Elle.
As a parent its important to love your kids equally, as I do, if kids ever feel neglected or feel the other one gets preferrential treatment its important to point out that they're equal, what one gets, the other one does.
Whilst they mollycoddled K, SS got KN to work for him, he was in on all their attempts to murder P, they encouraged him when he buried Kesar, but it was for their benefit - he never received any respect/affection from them. They always showered K with their love, albeit a very selfish love, but never respected him either, but KN craved that sort of attention but never received it.
Amma and KN were also allies, she encouraged his behaviour, but never thought of the consequences of the sort of man he was becoming.
I can see that KN feels he's justified in his actions against his family, but as usual he's gone about it in the wrong way, encouraged by menaka.
When a parent makes it so obvious that a certain child is the apple of their eye its bound to have repercussions.



Agree with you 100% Suk 😊 I'm glad that I'm not alone in thinking this. I thought I'd be getting a totally negative response for my thread 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I am glad u opened this post! I was gonna open the same topic! YES YES YES i totally agree with what u just said!!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: elle45



@bold: Do you really think that SS realized how KN felt? I felt that the tears were because Sajjan thought that Shakti was being unfair to him... not because Sajjan felt that he was unfair with Shakti all these years. 😕




@bold i didn't mean that Sajjan felt that he was unfair to Shakti for all those years but this is the first time that KN expressed himself that his father never loved him he only loved K and he only got humiliation and beatings. That he felt that he wasn't their son. KN doesn't believe that he was loved by them. I think if any child would say that to their parents they would be hurt that how could they doubt their love and for the first time SS heard this from KN and I think this is what the tears meant.😊




Edited by rekrn - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: suk4

Good post Elle.
As a parent its important to love your kids equally, as I do, if kids ever feel neglected or feel the other one gets preferrential treatment its important to point out that they're equal, what one gets, the other one does.
Whilst they mollycoddled K, SS got KN to work for him, he was in on all their attempts to murder P, they encouraged him when he buried Kesar, but it was for their benefit - he never received any respect/affection from them. They always showered K with their love, albeit a very selfish love, but never respected him either, but KN craved that sort of attention but never received it.
Amma and KN were also allies, she encouraged his behaviour, but never thought of the consequences of the sort of man he was becoming.
I can see that KN feels he's justified in his actions against his family, but as usual he's gone about it in the wrong way, encouraged by menaka.
When a parent makes it so obvious that a certain child is the apple of their eye its bound to have repercussions.



nicely said.

@ bold agree
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: rekrn




@bold i didn't mean that Sajjan felt that he was unfair to Shakti for all those years but this is the first time that KN expressed himself that his father never loved him he only loved K and he only got humiliation and beatings. That he felt that he wasn't their son. KN doesn't believe that he was loved by them. I think if any child would say that to their parents they would be hurt that how could they doubt their love and for the first time SS heard this from KN and I think this is what the tears meant.😊




I guess you're right 😊 Somehow it becomes difficult for me to interpret Sajjan's looks, but it did look like a heart-broken expression.

I'm also surprised at Amma's reaction. There really was no change in her expressions throughout the scene. Like she was surprised, but not shocked. What happened to her, she's otherwise an excellent actress?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: elle45



I guess you're right 😊 Somehow it becomes difficult for me to interpret Sajjan's looks, but it did look like a heart-broken expression.

I'm also surprised at Amma's reaction. There really was no change in her expressions throughout the scene. Like she was surprised, but not shocked. What happened to her, she's otherwise an excellent actress?




To me it looked like Asmita may not have been there when the actual scenes where shot, maybe because of her pregnancy they shot her scenes separate, because the scene itself is a powerful and emotional scene and they were taking precautions. Also because of her pregnancy she may have to tone down some of the expressions. That's what I think
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Posted: 13 years ago
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There was difference in the way the love was shown between the 2 brothers..K may have gotten away with more and not taught responsibility early on, whereas Shakti was made to work in the family business..the differences lie there as Shakti too was allowed to get away with a lot of things despite the heavy handed ness of SS..

He did what he pleased and when he pleased..if somebody who feels so strongly about the unfair treatment of showering love to him as a child then he is doing exactly the same with his own child..he would have stopped the cycle and showered his love for Samar..

It has become an excuse to justify his actions...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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very nice post, Elle. I agree.

its SS's fault as well that Shakti did what he did..

parents don't own their kids.. you have to listen to them too and consider their opinion... all this time SS treated him like shit.. I wish SS realizes he has been unfair to Shakti all this time.

there is a very good lesson for parents from this track. Shakti's way of making SS realize his fault is wrong.. I'm not justifying that.. but then there is definitely something that compelled him to take the extreme step.

frustration was building up in him all this time.. needed that encouragement which he got from Menaka.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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HI Elle🤗

👏 Just the topic I wanted to discuss, thanks for starting it. This post could turn out to be a newsletter.😛😆

Almost every child, no matter how much parents fulfill their needs and love them, can fault their parents for failing to measure up in some way. There are no manuals for parenting and one learns from living in that role... mistakes are made, some can be fixed and others impart a lesson for life.🤔

While parents claim to love all children equally, how they express it to each child is different. The firstborns, generally speaking, have to live with the "expectations" of the family. As first time parents they tend to take their role seriously so they monitor and demand a whole lot more of their child. The younger ones always enjoy the perks as parents tend to relax more and give them more leeway.

A child raised with love, admiration and positive reinforcements turns out to be a confident, secure adult while the ones who are used, abused and demanded to tow the line end up with low self-esteem and self-worth as is the case with KN. They tend to use negative behavior to draw attention to themselves, be it substance abuse, violence or deceit. It's their way of saying "notice me, I do matter and I want you to love me".

Parents may not voice it as much yet they send subliminal messages to their children about how they perceive each of them by the way they treat them. The children in turn use these cues to establish their relationships within the family. Children mirror back to their parents how they are being treated but often parents may be too busy to notice it.🤔

Often times, people's incapacity to express love comes from being raised in a strict and demanding environment. Children learn how to express emotions before the age of 5 from the adults around them and it's hardwired in their brains to follow the map for the rest of their lives. When one takes the time to reflect on his/her behavior it leads him/her to the feedback one receives in the early years of life.

This should be a wake up call for SS. He was right about one thing. the problem was with KN...his flesh and blood. SS loves his children in his own way. He always communicated to KN he was a few marbles short of a dozen, the dumb one who didn't measure up to his babua. Will SS ever admit to his shortcomings in parenting KN contrasted by his blatant bias in his Baba's favor? K got away with a whole lot more being the ladla than KN did with the putdowns while being the obedient son. SS's time to learn... reap what you sow.😳

KN was practically browbeaten to measure up to SS's expectations. He was a child that was used and abused while K was adored and put on a pedestal. SS taught him the Takur way of life of bullying, violence, etc. and like any child looking for parental approval and love he continued to be the obedient son who did what his bauji demanded. SS even used KN to do all his "criminal work" when he plotted to electrocute Prats and encouraged him to get rid of Kesar among others, while making sure K was untouched by it all.😕

From the get go, KN was a man used and abused by his parents with few approving and loving moments coming his way. KN has always voiced his displeasure at being treated like a second-class citizen while K was adored and got away with a whole lot. KN as the oldest son was expected to show respect and indulge K while K got away with his in-your-face challenges to KN. In fairness, there were a few moments when SS did remind K that KN was his older brother and to treat him with well.

It's no wonder KN couldn't give up his chance to taunt K about his infertility problem. He saw himself a winner by providing an heir while K couldn't and he enjoyed rubbing his face in it. KN's gleefully telling his family he plotted to keep K behind bars for a while shows how deep his resentment runs these days.

KN saw himself as SS's right hand man in the early days of the show. He has continued to voice his displeasure at SS spoiling K with all his ladla pyaar while they made demands of him. In response what he got was a smack down verbally or physically...slipper slaps, beaten with a stick. KN turned out to be a drunk and womanizer but SS didn't interfere with that aspect of his life as long as KN was ready to attend to business bright and early the next morning. 😕

KN's reminding the family that K was a dead-weight around the house didn't sit well with them even when they knew it was true. While KN was expected to measure up to his parents' expectations and demands the only concessions they made for him was overlooking his kotewali visits and drunken state.

All his life he's watched K get all that adoration and a carefree life which only stoked his resentment toward K. To add to it Prats with K's support got away with doing what she/they wanted while he and his wife be it Kesar or Men-ka rani were expected to tow the line. The double standards only fanned the flames of his fury, bitterness and outrage towards them.

The nefarious Naiki took full advantage of KN's insecurity and vulnerability and directed him to do her bidding by dangling herself as the prize. While rebelling against his father's favoritism KN failed to realize he was falling into Naiki's net.

For a man who has always been a second-class citizen and relegated to the back seat except when SS wanted "things" done, it's to be expected that KN will get carried away by feeling powerful at the moment. KN feels like he is breaking the chains of bonds from a family that has used and abused him all his life. K has been up to no good at times too but he almost always got away with it.

KN's failure to bond with his son may stem from his failure to feel the close bond with his bauji esp. when he sees the contrast in how SS showers his love on K. K in contrast feeling loved all his life is able to express that love to Samar more naturally.

Will KN byil buddhi be his saving grace and earn him forgiveness from his family down the road?


P.S: This track sheds light on familial relationships, the pitfalls and fallout from parenting choices.

Edited by MERARAI - 13 years ago

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