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Posted: 15 years ago
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I almost did not make this post. It seemed futile. But then raising your voice against what seems wrong almost always appears to be futile. But you still do it, not because it will work, but because it has got to be done.

This is a post to pose a counter-point to the one recently posted by the fellow member KoolShadu2000.

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1475833

This is a separate post because it is intended to balance the opinion being projected on this forum and not only for argument's sake.

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Pratigya is a show that advocates and prescribes a methodology for the empowerment of women who face neglect, abuse, subjugation and torture in many sections of our society. The methodology prescribed by them is roughly-

  • Educate the woman
  • Acquaint her of her rights
  • Tell her that she has options not to tolerate/live with repression
  • Establish beyond the scope of doubt that to speak up against violence and subjugation, is not only A RIGHT, A DUTY, but ALSO THE ONLY SOLUTION. The show intends to iterate the point that suffering in silence is the classic case of enabling the abuser!

This technique has not been devised by the Creatives of the show, but it is the most widely accepted strategy in all thinking circles to combat crimes against woman. Any social strategist worth her salt will tell you that your greatest chance of surviving abuse is to say NO!

Here on this forum I see people who are out to convince themselves and others that a woman's best chance is to lie so low as to be invisible. I am not talking about Arushi or Pratigya or Kesar, but of any woman in their place. That a slap to an abuser will ensure rape! That a woman speaking in a situation like Pratigya did yesterday was 'Bhashan' that she was doing "putter putter"! I think I read someone even say that Aarushi was responsible for her own situation!

For a brief moment while watching the serial yesterday, I too thought that the CVs were pulping the pulpit a little excessively, after all I presumed, they are preaching to the converted. Surely we all educated women believe in our rights and duties in raising our voice against injustice?

APPARENTLY NOT!!

Within its own educated audience the show has a percentage that not only aligns itself against it in spirit, but is working hard to undermine and subvert the very vital message it is trying to convey. That there are people who want to align themselves with the Ammas and Sajjan Singhs of this world in the belief that a woman's only chance of survival is to seek the protection of a superior male! They almost will the female protagonist's defeat because it will prove there long-held belief that a woman alone who dares to raise her voice will be shown her place and abject helplessness by being trodden on mercilessly by any available male. That no woman has an equal chance or should ever aspire to a life of equality and dignity in male-dominated societies. This is exactly the psychology exhibited via the character's of Amma and Piyasia. One does not know if this is a form of deep-rooted male chauvinism or a fear psychosis or a combination of the two.

There is so much wrong with that sort of mentality that one does not know where to begin speaking against it! Perhaps ten other serials like Pratigya will be required to make a dent in this psyche that ails not only the extremely repressed societies but apparently even certain percentage of the educated masses.

But I'd just like to say this. There are many types of rapes and murders. Rape is not only forced sexual intercourse; every time you tell a girl that she is powerless, every time you strip her of her pride, her dignity, her self-worth, every time you undermine her confidence in herself as an individual without the support of a man, every time you subject her to humiliation by objectification, every time you scald her soul and shrivel it – every time you rape her. And this is rape committed by both men and women.

A lot of women are raped long before they are physically touched because they are those women that have given up the mental fight a very long time ago. They submit because they don't believe they have the power of an option. This show is honestly making an effort to negate this mind set and tell a woman that she has a voice and to encourage her to exercise it. I found that I could not repress my own voice when I found such strenuous attempts to undermine its core message and its spirit.

P.S I am sorry this is not a Kriya post! I wish I could just write Kriya posts all day! But we can never truly appreciate Kriya till we understand that theirs is a story of the engagement of diametrically opposing people as it is of opposing value-systems, cultures and mind-sets! That they have to work through these to arrive at each other. 😊

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Dye..kudos to you!!
That was a much needed one!!
I liek the way u put!!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dyehard

I almost did not make this post. It seemed futile. But then raising your voice against what seems wrong almost always appears to be futile. But you still do it, not because it will work, but because it has got to be done. 👏👏👏👏👏 ( I dont know how do I put it in words, but you are like my hero😳😉 as I mentioned many times that you inspire me a lot with your posts be it about love, feelings, values....I totally love them)

This is a post to pose a counter-point to the one recently posted by the fellow member KoolShadu2000.

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1475833

This is a separate post because it is intended to balance the opinion being projected on this forum and not only for argument's sake.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Pratigya is a show that advocates and prescribes a methodology for the empowerment of women who face neglect, abuse, subjugation and torture in many sections of our society. The methodology prescribed by them is roughly-

  • Educate the woman
  • Acquaint her of her rights
  • Tell her that she has options not to tolerate/live with repression
  • Establish beyond the scope of doubt that to speak up against violence and subjugation, is not only A RIGHT, A DUTY, but ALSO THE ONLY SOLUTION. The show intends to iterate the point that suffering in silence is the classic case of enabling the abuser!

This technique has not been devised by the Creatives of the show, but it is the most widely accepted strategy in all thinking circles to combat crimes against woman. Any social strategist worth her salt will tell you that your greatest chance of surviving abuse is to say NO!

Here on this forum I see people who are out to convince themselves and others that a woman's best chance is to lie so low as to be invisible. I am not talking about Arushi or Pratigya or Kesar, but of any woman in their place. That a slap to an abuser will ensure rape! That a woman speaking in a situation like Pratigya did yesterday was 'Bhashan' that she was doing "putter putter"! I think I read someone even say that Aarushi was responsible for her own situation!

For a brief moment while watching the serial yesterday, I too thought that the CVs were pulping the pulpit a little excessively, after all I presumed, they are preaching to the converted. Surely we all educated women believe in our rights and duties in raising our voice against injustice?

APPARENTLY NOT!!

Within its own educated audience the show has a percentage that not only aligns itself against it in spirit, but is working hard to undermine and subvert the very vital message it is trying to convey. That there are people who want to align themselves with the Ammas and Sajjan Singhs of this world in the belief that a woman's only chance of survival is to seek the protection of a superior male! They almost will the female protagonist's defeat because it will prove there long-held belief that a woman alone who dares to raise her voice will be shown her place and abject helplessness by being trodden on mercilessly by any available male. That no woman has an equal chance or should ever aspire to a life of equality and dignity in male-dominated societies. This is exactly the psychology exhibited via the character's of Amma and Piyasia. One does not know if this is a form of deep-rooted male chauvinism or a fear psychosis or a combination of the two.

There is so much wrong with that sort of mentality that one does not know where to begin speaking against it! Perhaps ten other serials like Pratigya will be required to make a dent in this psyche that ails not only the extremely repressed societies but apparently even certain percentage of the educated masses.

But I'd just like to say this. There are many types of rapes and murders. Rape is not only forced sexual intercourse; every time you tell a girl that she is powerless, every time you strip her of her pride, her dignity, her self-worth, every time you undermine her confidence in herself as an individual without the support of a man, every time you subject her to humiliation by objectification, every time you scald her soul and shrivel it ' every time you rape her. And this is rape committed by both men and women. 👏👏👏👏👏

A lot of women are raped long before they are physically touched because they are those women that have given up the mental fight a very long time ago. They submit because they don't believe they have the power of an option. This show is honestly making an effort to negate this mind set and tell a woman that she has a voice and to encourage her to exercise it. I found that I could not repress my own voice when I found such strenuous attempts to undermine its core message and its spirit.

P.S I am sorry this is not a Kriya post! I wish I could just write Kriya posts all day! But we can never truly appreciate Kriya till we understand that theirs is a story of the engagement of diametrically opposing people as it is of opposing value-systems, cultures and mind-sets! That they have to work through these to arrive at each other. 😊

A.W.S.O.M.E Dye. I bow down to your opinions and thoughts. Excellent post and very much needed. I have to say along with Pratigya, you inspire me a lot👏👏👏⭐️⭐️⭐️. I am your biggest fan. We need writers like you in this forum to remind the members time and time again the the motive behind the show. Once again thanks a lot for the post.🤗
Edited by kriyaconsumesme - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Its a nice post but i do not agree with Arushi slapping Shakti...

That a slap to an abuser will ensure rape!
Not necessary depends on the type of abuser.
Although It definitely calls for some sort of revenge.
You cannot stop or change a person by slapping... He is not a guy who would die for izzat and not repeat his act. Well i would agree if its an educated family, slap by a girl would mean a lot and it will ensure him to keep away.
CVS should show how to better deal with guys like this, instead it shows..oh if u do this..this is the result..It just says "keep away"


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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: serialinput

Its a nice post but i do not agree with Arushi slapping Shakti...

That a slap to an abuser will ensure rape!
Not necessary depends on the type of abuser.
Although It definitely calls for some sort of revenge.
You cannot stop or change a person by slapping... He is not a guy who would die for izzat and not repeat his act. Well i would agree if its an educated family, slap by a girl would mean a lot and it will ensure him to keep away.
CVS should show how to better deal with guys like this, instead it shows..oh if u do this..this is the result..It just says "keep away"




yes i agree, slapping around town solves nothing. it just sometimes enrages the abuser more.. arushi showed extremes.. she was silent for a long time and then in the last minute she burst out like cracker...
the simpler solution would have been to tell kriya the day after he tried to hold her hand...
she has seen what angad did to her sister .. so she should have definitely acted with more tact...



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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: serialinput

Its a nice post but i do not agree with Arushi slapping Shakti...

That a slap to an abuser will ensure rape!
Not necessary depends on the type of abuser.
Although It definitely calls for some sort of revenge.
You cannot stop or change a person by slapping... He is not a guy who would die for izzat and not repeat his act. Well i would agree if its an educated family, slap by a girl would mean a lot and it will ensure him to keep away.
CVS should show how to better deal with guys like this, instead it shows..oh if u do this..this is the result..It just says "keep away"




Most rapists and abusers are bullies. The whole world knows that bullies are cowards. The idea is not to make him understand his mistakes, but to stop him in his tracks and let him know in unambiguous ways that you will not tolerate humiliation. What other language but the physical does somebody like Shakti understand?
Moreover can you imagine a situation if Aarushi had kept quite after facing such a great affront? Do you think it is easy to live with yourself after you have been violated like that, if you did not at least lash back in defence and anger? Do you think Aarushi could have gone back and hugged her family like that if she felt that she did not even put up a fight?
In rape and abuse, it is not the Physical act that is the greatest part of the torture, it is the feeling of helplessness and lack of power, the guilt on feels when one has not had the courage to fight back that scars a human being. Being absued is about becoming a 'victim' feeling like a 'victim' and living with the shadow of the feeling of helplessness, and it is up to the woman to choose not to be one.


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Posted: 15 years ago
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Being abused is about becoming a 'victim' feeling like a 'victim' and living with the shadow of the feeling of helplessness, and it is up to the woman to choose not to be one.
I totally agree with it...never take bullshit from other but think and react...
Do you think it is easy to live with yourself after you have been violated like that, if you did not at least lash back in defense and anger?
OKay lash back in defense...i agree (provided she did it when he was abusing her)
lash back in anger ....totally disagree ( a fierce lash back from Shakti is awaiting her)

All she got is momentary satisfaction....and more trouble..
You ask me how to deal with Shakti...
First of all he didn't come to her house and abuse her or abuse her on street..
She could have avoided it but just slipping out of haveli...

Feeling Victimized and taking revenge is not the right thing...
Grow stronger and avoid situations like that from the beginning .... be more vocal about it..

Prathigya's bhashan is like beating drums in front of a deaf person...totally wasted..
they could have put in a way that would make takhurs think...providing examples are whatever



Edited by serialinput - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@DyeHard:
Excellent post.Very well put.
Here on this forum I see people who are out to convince themselves and others that a woman's best chance is to lie so low as to be invisible
I disagree with this.
Shakti understands the language of force.But Arushi hitting her will actually make him understand that?The force Arushi uses or in general,ladies use against someone like Angad or shakti is as futile as banging ur head on a stone wall expecting it too break.
Using power on the part of a female should be more in accordance with the surroundings and situations rather than what notion you have about it.
Believing in something and actually implementing it in real world are two different things.
Women should raise their voice.Fight against every injustice but is giving long bhashans to people who care a damn about these things going to make any difference?FIght in a way which will hav some outcome,with proper use of intellect.Make ur weakness ur strength and FIGHT.
The show tries to give us a message about empowering women.But in a very crude way.
Just citing one example,Pratigya escapes burning alive just out of mere luck.Watching this show,girls who idolise pratigya may end up in same situations,only to find themselves not lucky enough.
So,what I mean to point out is if they want to send a good message,show us how the female protagonist fights on the basis of her strength,her education put to use rather than her luck favouring her or she giving long speech to people who are least bit going to be affected by it.
Honestly,do u really think a girl in some small UP village will get away by slapping a gunda?Reality is she wont.Now,if that situation is to be changed,they need to show some proper solution where the female protagonist puts up a strong fight and handles the situation with real maturity.Bhashans solve or achieve nothing.Neither do this marriage-for-revenge decisions.
Saying and doing are two different things.Pratigya ,as a female protagonist,only propheses a lot many good women-empowering ideas but never has been seen bringing in a true change in anything.
It takes more than bhashans and inspiring quotes to actually bring about a change.I do not see her as what the show intends to showcase...emobodiment of woman power.
If I understand Kools' post,she is all for what u believe in but criticises the ineffective way it is shown.Kool is never for women giving in to abuse silently.Sorry,but u seem to have misunderstood her POV.
My POV completely.Thanks.
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They should show the female protagonist winning as a female,using her strengths as a female and her education not because she is plain lucky.

Edited by gaurimisha - 15 years ago
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Here on this forum I see people who are out to convince themselves and others that a woman's best chance is to lie so low as to be invisible. I am not talking about Arushi or Pratigya or Kesar, but of any woman in their place. That a slap to an abuser will ensure rape! That a woman speaking in a situation like Pratigya did yesterday was 'Bhashan' that she was doing "putter putter"! I think I read someone even say that Aarushi was responsible for her own situation!

Within its own educated audience the show has a percentage that not only aligns itself against it in spirit, but is working hard to undermine and subvert the very vital message it is trying to convey. That there are people who want to align themselves with the Ammas and Sajjan Singhs of this world in the belief that a woman's only chance of survival is to seek the protection of a superior male! They almost will the female protagonist's defeat because it will prove there long-held belief that a woman alone who dares to raise her voice will be shown her place and abject helplessness by being trodden on mercilessly by any available male. That no woman has an equal chance or should ever aspire to a life of equality and dignity in male-dominated societies. This is exactly the psychology exhibited via the character's of Amma and Piyasia. One does not know if this is a form of deep-rooted male chauvinism or a fear psychosis or a combination of the two.

Dyehard

Lovely post, though I must disagree with a few points

Pratigya is a show meant to portray realism and in many aspects it has been successful in bringing many of the harsh realities to light which individuals prefer to avoid or find it quite easy to overlook unless they have themselves faces similar situations.

My problem is not with the issues they have brought up but how they have been dealt with, that is where I must question their extant of showing reality. It is necessary for women to voice their opinions against injustice and this has been portrayed in this show, but dealing with these types of situations in a logical manner is just as important.

No a women should never find herself weak or show fear in the face of a problem but when she realizes that problem is far to big for her to handle on her own it is not cowardice nor a sign of weakness to ask for help it is simply intelligence.

I truly liked prats speech yesterday it brought such a heinous crime to the attention of the community and hopefully gave a bit of strength to those who had faced a similar situations to speak up. Though I must say it made no difference to Shakti he is not a goon but a monster he hardly cares about the social message prats was conveying, and his family members saw it as one of her speeches she should have given them personal examples at least they would have felt some shame instead of mocking her attempt as a nautanki.

As for Arushi's situation (although the slap was well deserved) this entire scenario could have been avoided if she had attempted to solve her problem logically. I can understand she wanted to keep the peace in the house not causing any more problems for her sister but it should not have been at the sake of her life. All she had to do was tell prats or Krishna in private she would have been sent home and they would have taken care of Shakti. Now for reality Arushi was spared for her slap because it was in front of everyone, if she had done something similar to him alone the outcome would have been much more different we all know what Shakti is capable of. No I am not saying tolerate thugs attempts to harass you and just walk away but first understand your situation as well as the consequences then react to the goon, thug etc. because in reality there are plenty of angad's and no Krishna's.

Prats has voiced her opinions and has faced situations similar to those women face throughout the world just the way they are taken care of are hard to accept. The burning of DIL's is a serious issue but prats was safe due to luck in reality women may find they are not as fortunate. There are times and places for women to show their strength as well as times when it's not so bad to ask for some help.
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