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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: MERARAI

REQUEST: A HEALTHY RESPECTFUL DEBATE IS ALWAYS WELCOME. THIS IS A KRISHNA BASHING-FREE ZONE AND IS NOT WELCOME. We would like to understand the hell he is going through right now.😕😲

When it comes to a marriage, the man and wife or woman and husband as some would prefer to say it are two halves of a whole. What ones does directly and indirectly affects the other. Secrets eat away at the marriage. The absence of truth, trust, respect and honesty will make the marriage a sham even if two people co-exist in the same home.

Bottom line" WIthout trust and respect, there is no love".


Let's look at the facts within this fiction in this track (otherwise this post could turn into a novel)
😛😆

Prats finds out truth Angad was her kidnapper

Prats stayed overnight at parents and slapped Angad again and got him sent to jail
Krishna asks Sax family is all izz well. They say yes. THEY LIED. HE TRUSTS THEM
SS takes them back home to Niwas
Krishna says all the walls are down, let's be pati-patni but PRATS IS NOT READY
She wants friendship and he agrees
In the name of friendship he asks her if she needs to tell him anything
She LIES and says NO while keeping her vachan to her father intact. (Shows at this point her vachan was more important than honesty to her pati)
Krishna finds out about Angad's bothering his sasural after Prof. is arrested
He confronts Prats about hiding Angad's recent pareshaans and her arresting Angad. TELLS HER to her face, I AM PREPARED, IF THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE NOT TOLD ME AND FEEL YOU HAVE LEFT OUT, COME OUT CLEAN WITH IT. She takes mouna-vrata and doesn't tell him(Again vachan to Papa superceded honesty and trust to her pati)

Enter Perry Mathur. She wants to get her Papa out of jail. MATHUR wants Saxes to sachchayi ka saat dena. She agrees. She then realizes the truth will come out in court. She is now ready to tell Krishna the truth. NOT BECAUSE SHE FELT HE DESERVED THE TRUTH ALL ALONG but her fear that he should be told before it makes it to the public forum in court. (Again, not to uphold the trust between them but more to save herself from the fall out if it came out in court). HAD SHE FELT HE DESERVED THE TRUTH NO MATTER WHAT SHE WOULD HAVE DITCHED HER VACHAN AND TOLD HIM THE TRUTH.


Now she wants to tell Krishna who by now has just about had it with all the drama between his family and his sasural and USING him like a football in their games on one side and Prats stringing him along on the other.

Prats tries to tell him about the kidnapping. Krishna doesn't want to hear any more stories
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As the trial begins she panics that the truth needed to be told and time was running out.
Krishna knows Angad had something to do with the whole mess but it riles him further and he didn't want to hear it.

As usual whatever significant info. Prats needed to address always comes out in a public way. The POPs have always taken the literal interpretation to "TAKE A STAND" when Prats reveals all. The outing of their intimate life during havan(twice, (once by Amma and another by her), now the blockbuster bomb that could have been averted easily.

As the saying goes............Timing is everything. Keta bodhu kudukavittaal kuduthum payan illai (if you don't give someone something when they ask for it, it's useless to give it to them later or when they don't need it or it has lost it's value example, when someone is hungry if you don't feed him what is the point in giving them food later on when they have already eaten)

Sure Krishna could have listened to her now but so could Prats have said tel lene to her vachan to her Papa once she realized how intense Krishna was after he found out about her sending Angad to jail for a day. Her timing was way off and she only tried to tell him when she felt herself conrnered bec' of the upcoming case. Bottom line, she didn't trust him to handle the truth and avoided it. Now it has blown up in her face and we are about to see her coal face painting...what a symbolism of the way things turned out.
😲

Didn't she know she had to face the music aka Krishna's reaction when it came out eventually one way or the other? Even if she hadn't wanted to earlier, the fact that the truth about Angad being her kidnappper came out eventually should have woken her up to the fact that the truth will out itself. She could have chosen to tell Krishna the truth about the kidnapping in private and explained it to him easily all in the "friendship bubble". Bringing it out in the public forum (again the intention was to save her Papa) has shocked Krishna.

Is Krishna feeling betrayed for her lack of trust in him after he repeatedly asked her for the full story by keeping such a big secret from him?


Does he feel his marriage is a lie and the veil has been lifted off his eyes now that he realizes she married him bec' she believes he kidnapped him?


Does it offend him to know that the woman he loved unconditionally thought him capable of such a despicable act? A woman whom he has taken so much crap from his own family to defend and protect her.


Even if she did believe it earlier once she was married and got to know the truth about Angad being the kidnapper, why didnn't she tell him all? Valid question for him to ask.


Does he realize she never trusted him ever and that could be the body blow to him that he can't accept now?


Does it tell him that her lack of trust meant she was and never going to reciprocate his love and he can't face that reality?


Is his internal struggle about coming to terms with the betrayal that the one person he loved, defended and protected all along had thought him unworthy of the truth, honesty and respect after all that he has done to prove his love for her over and again?


Is Krishna realizing that he will never be the most important person in her life, her Papa and maike will always came first? She once told him she would do anything for her Papa and loved him the most. That alone was hurtful for Krishna to hear when he did.


Does Krishna believe that Angad may have done something to sully her reputation and given the belief system about a woman betraying a husband, is his reaction to the news sending him off the deep end? Bec' it's one thing to judge another's life situation and after all the talk the day before that she would have to face the same mauth for her betrayal he finds he can't do that to her and instead tries to hurt himself?


Krishna has always been needy of her love, the $64 billion dollar question is why???? If you have the answers, chalo humko enlighten keejiye.

Chalbo, our isiscuss karo
.

P.S: I will return in 12-14 hours so keep the discussion going😃.

super good post merarai👏...i think this black thing putting on prat's face is to gather sympathy over that character...lol...achcha tharika hai...😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: MERARAI


Enter Perry Mathur. She wants to get her Papa out of jail. MATHUR wants Saxes to sachchayi ka saat dena. She agrees. She then realizes the truth will come out in court. She is now ready to tell Krishna the truth. NOT BECAUSE SHE FELT HE DESERVED THE TRUTH ALL ALONG but her fear that he should be told before it makes it to the public forum in court. (Again, not to uphold the trust between them but more to save herself from the fall out if it came out in court).👏👏👏 HAD SHE FELT HE DESERVED THE TRUTH NO MATTER WHAT SHE WOULD HAVE DITCHED HER VACHAN AND TOLD HIM THE TRUTH.


As the saying goes............Timing is everything. Keta bodhu kudukavittaal kuduthum payan illai (if you don't give someone something when they ask for it, it's useless to give it to them later or when they don't need it👏👏👏 or it has lost it's value example, when someone is hungry if you don't feed him what is the point in giving them food later on when they have already eaten)

Is Krishna feeling betrayed for her lack of trust in him after he repeatedly asked her for the full story by keeping such a big secret from him?


Does he feel his marriage is a lie and the veil has been lifted off his eyes now that he realizes she married him bec' she believes he kidnapped him?


Does it offend him to know that the woman he loved unconditionally thought him capable of such a despicable act? A woman whom he has taken so much crap from his own family to defend and protect her.


Even if she did believe it earlier once she was married and got to know the truth about Angad being the kidnapper, why didnn't she tell him all? Valid question for him to ask.


Does he realize she never trusted him ever and that could be the body blow to him that he can't accept now?


Does it tell him that her lack of trust meant she was and never going to reciprocate his love and he can't face that reality?


Is his internal struggle about coming to terms with the betrayal that the one person he loved, defended and protected all along had thought him unworthy of the truth, honesty and respect after all that he has done to prove his love for her over and again?


Is Krishna realizing that he will never be the most important person in her life, her Papa and maike will always came first? She once told him she would do anything for her Papa and loved him the most. That alone was hurtful for Krishna to hear when he did.


Does Krishna believe that Angad may have done something to sully her reputation and given the belief system about a woman betraying a husband, is his reaction to the news sending him off the deep end? Bec' it's one thing to judge another's life situation and after all the talk the day before that she would have to face the same mauth for her betrayal he finds he can't do that to her and instead tries to hurt himself?


Krishna has always been needy of her love, the $64 billion dollar question is why???? If you have the answers, chalo humko enlighten keejiye.

Wow Mera.... Brilliant post.... 👏👏👏 and its comes at such a much needed time. After yesterday's episode, most people on the forum have completely forgotten about how Krishna had repeatedly asked Pratigya if there was anything he needed to know. Infact, most people are blaming Krishna for being stubborn and not listening to Prats when SHE WANTED to tell him. Your saying about "timing is everything" is perfect. 👏 She CHOSE to tell Krishna ONLY when she sensed that the truth WILL come out very soon and will put her in a tough spot. I hope Krishna brings this point forward. How she pretended to trust him and be friends with him, yet she never did trust him.
Regarding your qs Does he feel his marriage is a lie and the veil has been lifted off his eyes now that he realizes she married him bec' she believes he kidnapped him?I still think that Krishna doesnt know that she believed that Krishna kidnapped her. When he gets to know this, he will even even more heartbroken than he is now, that the woman he loves believes him to be capable of such a despicable act. He also doesn't know that nothing happened with her that night. All Prats said in court was that Angad kidnapped her, kept her for a night, and she managed to escape the next morning.

He does feel now that despite his repeated efforts and how much he's stood up for her and taken the brunt from his family, that she never trusted him, their marriage is not improving, that he might have made a mistake and fallen in love with the wrong person. It's a horrible situation. And he feels torn between his duties as a husband (he's still protecting her from his family), and his wife's bewafaai (I consider keeping secrets as bewafaai).

I have no answer for your 64 billion question, so I wont even try to answer it. I don't understand why he loves her so much. He's never had a happy moment with her, they've not even had a hearty laugh together even. I dont understand how a person can continually love someone who doesn't reciprocate it at all?!
However, I believe the charcoal painting of her and her dad's face was a bit too extreme. This was a matter to be solved between the couple and Krishna was right. He was wronged and he should decide the punishment. (I'm not advocating his shooting her or himself though).
Let see what happens on Monday. But I do hope that even though Krishna supports her in front of his family, privately he doesn't forgive her so easily. Uptil now, he tolerated pratigya's nakhras. Now I hope he has nakhras for a change 😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
#13
The Professor and Family are just a big joke.
T he professor, walked into the police station, confession to a crime, that he killed Angad. Insisted that he is doing this to save his daughter, Pratigya. Why when Pratigya, stood up in court and said she will tell the truth, the professor didnt even protest or say mi lord i killed angad. he just stared at her and let her proceed. where was his ........i want to save pratigya.
Why pratigya, didn't tell Perry Mathur to ask for a break, it was her last chance to tell krishna, before she proceed. I hope pratigya and her dad, didn't expected the thakur to welcome them with open arms , yesterday.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: mia03

The Professor and Family are just a big joke.
T he professor, walked into the police station, confession to a crime, that he killed Angad. Insisted that he is doing this to save his daughter, Pratigya. Why when Pratigya, stood up in court and said she will tell the truth, the professor didnt even protest or say mi lord i killed angad. he just stared at her and let her proceed. where was his ........i want to save pratigya.
Why pratigya, didn't tell Perry Mathur to ask for a break, it was her last chance to tell krishna, before she proceed. I hope pratigya and her dad, didn't expected the thakur to welcome them with open arms , yesterday.

Actually the proff didn't want any lawyer to fight for his case....as usual Prats made the decision and the rest of the family followed her lead......I agree with you, she could have told Krishna, when she stood up...she could have said something....also realised, it was only in the last week she suddenly decided to come clean about her secret......obviously she was strangled by her conflicting loyalties - we only saw it in the last week btw - but the lies and secret she kept will play a big part come monday........I so hoped that when she was on the stand and telling everything, she would look towards Krishna - have one of their eye lock as she recounted but no........as for ther family - for the first time I am angry with some fictional people!😕......They sat there like she was saying ' I want a cup of tea'...even afterwards, they showed no concern and certainly not for darling baba....except for her father............This whole case in one big shambles, only done for the secret to come out....I really wish they had Prat go out with Krishna to a middle of a wood or something and then just confess right there and then.....not get the shock of his life or be humiliated in knowing his wife had lied to him constantly....
Hmmm....I just want the Saxena family to go off an cruise and leave Kriya alone to sort things out.....as it is I think Krishna won't believe a word out of her mouth....!
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Posted: 15 years ago
#15

Originally posted by: MERARAI


HI Mera, I am in Red/brown...


REQUEST: A HEALTHY RESPECTFUL DEBATE IS ALWAYS WELCOME. THIS IS A KRISHNA BASHING-FREE ZONE AND IS NOT WELCOME.
We would like to understand the hell he is going through right now.😕😲

When it comes to a marriage, the man and wife or woman and husband as some would prefer to say it are two halves of a whole. What ones does directly and indirectly affects the other. Secrets eat away at the marriage. The absence of truth, trust, respect and honesty will make the marriage a sham even if two people co-exist in the same home.

Bottom line" WIthout trust and respect, there is no love".


Let's look at the facts within this fiction in this track (otherwise this post could turn into a novel)
😛😆

Prats finds out truth Angad was her kidnapper

Prats stayed overnight at parents and slapped Angad again and got him sent to jail
Krishna asks Sax family is all izz well. They say yes. THEY LIED. HE TRUSTS THEM
SS takes them back home to Niwas
Krishna says all the walls are down, let's be pati-patni but PRATS IS NOT READY
She wants friendship and he agrees
In the name of friendship he asks her if she needs to tell him anything
She LIES and says NO while keeping her vachan to her father intact. (Shows at this point her vachan was more important than honesty to her pati)
Krishna finds out about Angad's bothering his sasural after Prof. is arrested
He confronts Prats about hiding Angad's recent pareshaans and her arresting Angad. TELLS HER to her face, I AM PREPARED, IF THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE NOT TOLD ME AND FEEL YOU HAVE LEFT OUT, COME OUT CLEAN WITH IT. She takes mouna-vrata and doesn't tell him(Again vachan to Papa superceded honesty and trust to her pati)

Enter Perry Mathur. She wants to get her Papa out of jail. MATHUR wants Saxes to sachchayi ka saat dena. She agrees. She then realizes the truth will come out in court. She is now ready to tell Krishna the truth.
NOT BECAUSE SHE FELT HE DESERVED THE TRUTH ALL ALONG but her fear that he should be told before it makes it to the public forum in court.👍🏼(Again, not to uphold the trust between them but more to save herself from the fall out if it came out in court). HAD SHE FELT HE DESERVED THE TRUTH NO MATTER WHAT SHE WOULD HAVE DITCHED HER VACHAN AND TOLD HIM THE TRUTH.

Now she wants to tell Krishna who by now has just about had it with all the drama between his family and his sasural and USING him like a football in their games on one side and Prats stringing him along on the other.

Prats tries to tell him about the kidnapping. Krishna doesn't want to hear any more stories
.
As the trial begins she panics that the truth needed to be told and time was running out.
Krishna knows Angad had something to do with the whole mess but it riles him further and he didn't want to hear it.

As usual whatever significant info. Prats needed to address always comes out in a public way. The POPs have always taken the literal interpretation to "TAKE A STAND" when Prats reveals all. The outing of their intimate life during havan(twice, (once by Amma and another by her), now the blockbuster bomb that could have been averted easily.

As the saying goes............Timing is everything. Keta bodhu kudukavittaal kuduthum payan illai (if you don't give someone something when they ask for it, it's useless to give it to them later or when they don't need it or it has lost it's value example, when someone is hungry if you don't feed him what is the point in giving them food later on when they have already eaten)

Sure Krishna could have listened to her now but so could Prats have said tel lene to her vachan to her Papa once she realized how intense Krishna was after he found out about her sending Angad to jail for a day. Her timing was way off and she only tried to tell him when she felt herself conrnered bec' of the upcoming case. Bottom line, she didn't trust him to handle the truth and avoided it. Now it has blown up in her face and we are about to see her coal face painting...what a symbolism of the way things turned out.
😲

Didn't she know she had to face the music aka Krishna's reaction when it came out eventually one way or the other? Even if she hadn't wanted to earlier, the fact that the truth about Angad being her kidnappper came out eventually should have woken her up to the fact that the truth will out itself. She could have chosen to tell Krishna the truth about the kidnapping in private and explained it to him easily all in the "friendship bubble". Bringing it out in the public forum (again the intention was to save her Papa) has shocked Krishna.

Is Krishna feeling betrayed for her lack of trust in him after he repeatedly asked her for the full story by keeping such a big secret from him?

It would be natural for any human being to feel betrayed and for a passionate Man like Krishna ...It would be like having the core of his existence annihilated ..

Does he feel his marriage is a lie and the veil has been lifted off his eyes now that he realizes she married him bec' she believes he kidnapped him?

The last days episode showed that the veil is coming off, but has it come off fully or has it merely become transparent , that only later incidences will prove ..but does he realize that she married him cos she believed that HE,Krishna kidnapped her since in court she only says that Angad Kidnapped her ...!!

Does it offend him to know that the woman he loved unconditionally thought him capable of such a despicable act? A woman whom he has taken so much crap from his own family to defend and protect her.


Even if she did believe it earlier once she was married and got to know the truth about Angad being the kidnapper, why didnn't she tell him all? Valid question for him to ask.


Does he realize she never trusted him ever and that could be the body blow to him that he can't accept now?

He already senses that , earlier itself he would say " U go to UR Apne's and talk it out " ..."why shud u want to talk with me ...After All I am only a Pati ! ! "...So he knows that there is lack of trust ...I think this will make him understand the extent of it !

Does it tell him that her lack of trust meant she was and never going to reciprocate his love and he can't face that reality?

Baba is delusional , but once reality comes and confronts him...he has never shied away from it either, be it his beebi registering complaint against Angad or coming to know SS Gameplan ...shows that he can face reality !!

Is his internal struggle about coming to terms with the betrayal that the one person he loved, defended and protected all along had thought him unworthy of the truth, honesty and respect after all that he has done to prove his love for her over and again?


Is Krishna realizing that he will never be the most important person in her life, her Papa and maike will always came first? She once told him she would do anything for her Papa and loved him the most. That alone was hurtful for Krishna to hear when he did.

I think Mera , that he HAS realized that he figures nowhere in her scheme of things... all this was a sham...hence that utter desolation on his face....

Does Krishna believe that Angad may have done something to sully her reputation and given the belief system about a woman betraying a husband, is his reaction to the news sending him off the deep end? Bec' it's one thing to judge another's life situation and after all the talk the day before that she would have to face the same mauth for her betrayal he finds he can't do that to her and instead tries to hurt himself?


Krishna has always been needy of her love, the $64 billion dollar question is why???? If you have the answers, chalo humko enlighten keejiye.

Why $ 64 billion ??


Chalbo, our isiscuss karo
.

P.S: I will return in 12-14 hours so keep the discussion going😃.

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