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Posted: 15 years ago
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Thank you for replying I know what you mean i have been a silent reader for a while now and i have seen the split between Pratigya and Krishna fans. actually this is my first real conversation on this forum and it has been fun. I love to read your answers and i can understand where you are coming from. 😳
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Binny1247 . A lot of Pratigya's problems can be traced back to her own actions . Do u know what her biggest problem was ? She tried to apply a liberal way of thinking in a small town setting with rural mentality . . It started with her boarding the train at lucknow and slapping a dangerous man on the train . If u notice her father was uneasy and kept looking back ALL the time , and out of the window too .He told her Yeh tumne Achcha nahi kiya. Why did he do it ? Coz he was stupid? No , he was practical .He KNEW what his small town mentality was . SHE didn't . If she felt that she was going to have a university campus atmosphere there , she was WRONG . . Due to that slap , the stalkers did not leave her and have not till this day .Unknown to her , they are controlling her life .In the long run , her fathers initial fears were proven right and her educated progressive thinking was proven wrong.......it doesn't WORK there. Reality . . Then she did another mistake . When she realised that the stalkers were still after her she tried to handle it on her OWN . She didnt consult anyone except that inexperienced Roli who had nothing to offer her except useless helpless mental sympathy . She hid incidents like the fact that Angad and his goons circled her rickshaw in broad daylight and the fact that they chased her and Arushi in gullies , fully prepared to abduct her and rAPE her [ why were they chasing her , to do pooja or to have a heart to heart talk about the weather with her , what did she exactly think I dont know]. . Imagine , SUCH A BIG THING she hid . What she did was instead of curing the wound she sat on it and allowed it to fester . . She even kept quiet on the night that Nitin was beaten up , she did not tell family [ again only Roli] that Krishna had come to Nitins home. Had she told , perhaps Nitins family wud not have allowed Nitin to go out that night or asked them to stay overnight or called police.
Now in this process of handling things on her own she sent a series of wrong signals to Krishna who had by then got involved . What u must remember is in that kind of small town .....Mannford Gunj area etc , 'love affairs' happen this way only .............the girls r silent and dont boldly acknowledge their love verbally but thru silent gestures .They r escorted by brothers fathers all the time , rarely go out alone , and mediators relay messages . Her silence , her going out to look in the verandah and the biggest mistake of WEARING the pink sari and going to the hotel and WAITING for him totally convinced krishna that she was reciprocating but was AFRAID of her family . For a guy like him , that was NATURAL , it was OK . Women were that way only .[ See his own family women......did they speak up ?] Krishna took her silence for fear of not HIM but HER family , and decided to deal with it in HIS way . If Her family was not allowing her to commence with her love affair , HE knew how to handle them .
The going directly to the engagement and making public tamasha and later stopping bus and making them get down at gun point were a misunderstanding on his part that she was getting engaged against her will and beeing made to flee against her will by her khusad Baap . Even the slap in the engagement did not convince him that she HATEd him , he felt it was fear of society , and safeguarding her repuation . He understood that type , women were like that , ok , chalta hai , they r so scared all the time . There were her drelatives and the family hovering over her and how cud she be expected to sustain that kind of pressure .But she really loved him , she had sent him those scret signals , he cud not be wrong . So Ok , let her be scared , He took it upon himself to see to it that he got her out of there , that the marraige wud take place .He wud manage HIS family and HER family bOTH , he was the man wasn't he ?
That was Krishna's thinking . It was a colossal misunderstanding for which Pratigya was also to be blamed coz she defied the basic rule of life........When in Rome do as The Romans do . U must survive in the habitat you are born in by studying that atmosphere intelligently . If one tries to live in Bihar as if he is in the US , he will have a hard time .
Then she took decision of buckling under circumstances and marrying him to 'teach him something'..........again a foolhardy , dangerous decision . If he had turned out to be Angad he wud have raped her and cut her to pieces .
U say Krishna did not treat her well after marraige .I see it as the other way round .It was SHE who treated him like dirt after the marraige . He was puzzled at her Hate ....no adequate explanation was provided for it ever , he asked her so many times . He wanted to treat her like a queen , give her all comforts , he constantly took her side against his own family . His rape attempt and catching her throat bugs her supporters but the truth is he was incredibly patient with her unreasonable attitude for a long time . Forget Krishna........any man wud have done that in the privacy of the bedroom in that kind of town , no one wud have tolerated meekly such hate , such attitude , such back answers all the time . Inspite of being brought up in chauvinistic atmosphere Krishna took it all rather well . She pushed him so much ..............that a normal man wud have lost his temper and taught her the lesson of her life . Krishna greeted her family well , tried to talk to them , brought presents for her , tried to understand her thought process but was refuted by hATe each time and returned puzzled .His rose was not accepted , his gestures were consistently trampled upon and he was told this wud be his life FOREVER . He asked her on the first night , why then she gave him all those wrong signal;s . And thats why I say , it was a colossal misunderstanding and Pratigya also needs to accept her share of blame in trying to deal with reality in an indealistic way . She needs strict , unbiased introspection is my opinuion whenever I see this serial .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Kools!

You took the words right out of my mouth. It's not that I don't like Pratigya, I am very frustrated with her attitude. How can she be so clueless when everyone around her is hurt by her choices, decisions and actions including herself. So far the only thing she has done that is worthy of applause is saving Kesar's baby and even that was accomplished only bec' she had Krishna's support. Her lack of gratitude and appreciation of his little gestures until the day she got the chocolates were appalling to me. It's understandable if she was filled with rage in the early days of marriage. But why was she so adamant about even considering that the real person she saw every day at SS's house was not the Krishna she thought he was. She saw how he fought for her against his family. Even if she wasn't aware of it he spelled it out to her, still she refused to acknowledge it.

I hope after her father sent her packing back to Krishna she will finally open up and talk to Krishna so they can put the misunderstandings behind them and move forward. He has been way too patient with her antics and even a saint has a tipping point when they won't tolerate anymore. Krishna is not a saint by any meansand we know that and like him anyways bec' he is true to himself. He is even building her a home after all this. Go figure! What more proof does this girl need to get through this thick skull of hers? Wake up Pratigya! before you lose Krishna due to your own stubborness and stupidity.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Binny1247 . A lot of Pratigya's problems can be traced back to her own actions . Do u know what her biggest problem was ? She tried to apply a liberal way of thinking in a small town setting with rural mentality . . It started with her boarding the train at lucknow and slapping a dangerous man on the train . If u notice her father was uneasy and kept looking back ALL the time , and out of the window too .He told her Yeh tumne Achcha nahi kiya. Why did he do it ? Coz he was stupid? No , he was practical .He KNEW what his small town mentality was . SHE didn't . If she felt that she was going to have a university campus atmosphere there , she was WRONG . . Due to that slap , the stalkers did not leave her and have not till this day .Unknown to her , they are controlling her life .In the long run , her fathers initial fears were proven right and her educated progressive thinking was proven wrong.......it doesn't WORK there. Reality . . Then she did another mistake . When she realised that the stalkers were still after her she tried to handle it on her OWN . She didnt consult anyone except that inexperienced Roli who had nothing to offer her except useless helpless mental sympathy . She hid incidents like the fact that Angad and his goons circled her rickshaw in broad daylight and the fact that they chased her and Arushi in gullies , fully prepared to abduct her and rAPE her [ why were they chasing her , to do pooja or to have a heart to heart talk about the weather with her , what did she exactly think I dont know]. . Imagine , SUCH A BIG THING she hid . What she did was instead of curing the wound she sat on it and allowed it to fester . . She even kept quiet on the night that Nitin was beaten up , she did not tell family [ again only Roli] that Krishna had come to Nitins home. Had she told , perhaps Nitins family wud not have allowed Nitin to go out that night or asked them to stay overnight or called police.

Now in this process of handling things on her own she sent a series of wrong signals to Krishna who had by then got involved . What u must remember is in that kind of small town .....Mannford Gunj area etc , 'love affairs' happen this way only .............the girls r silent and dont boldly acknowledge their love verbally but thru silent gestures .They r escorted by brothers fathers all the time , rarely go out alone , and mediators relay messages . Her silence , her going out to look in the verandah and the biggest mistake of WEARING the pink sari and going to the hotel and WAITING for him totally convinced krishna that she was reciprocating but was AFRAID of her family . For a guy like him , that was NATURAL , it was OK . Women were that way only .[ See his own family women......did they speak up ?] Krishna took her silence for fear of not HIM but HER family , and decided to deal with it in HIS way . If Her family was not allowing her to commence with her love affair , HE knew how to handle them .
The going directly to the engagement and making public tamasha and later stopping bus and making them get down at gun point were a misunderstanding on his part that she was getting engaged against her will and beeing made to flee against her will by her khusad Baap . Even the slap in the engagement did not convince him that she HATEd him , he felt it was fear of society , and safeguarding her repuation . He understood that type , women were like that , ok , chalta hai , they r so scared all the time . There were her drelatives and the family hovering over her and how cud she be expected to sustain that kind of pressure .But she really loved him , she had sent him those scret signals , he cud not be wrong . So Ok , let her be scared , He took it upon himself to see to it that he got her out of there , that the marraige wud take place .He wud manage HIS family and HER family bOTH , he was the man wasn't he ?
That was Krishna's thinking . It was a colossal misunderstanding for which Pratigya was also to be blamed coz she defied the basic rule of life........When in Rome do as The Romans do . U must survive in the habitat you are born in by studying that atmosphere intelligently . If one tries to live in Bihar as if he is in the US , he will have a hard time .
Then she took decision of buckling under circumstances and marrying him to 'teach him something'..........again a foolhardy , dangerous decision . If he had turned out to be Angad he wud have raped her and cut her to pieces .
U say Krishna did not treat her well after marraige .I see it as the other way round .It was SHE who treated him like dirt after the marraige . He was puzzled at her Hate ....no adequate explanation was provided for it ever , he asked her so many times . He wanted to treat her like a queen , give her all comforts , he constantly took her side against his own family . His rape attempt and catching her throat bugs her supporters but the truth is he was incredibly patient with her unreasonable attitude for a long time . Forget Krishna........any man wud have done that in the privacy of the bedroom in that kind of town , no one wud have tolerated meekly such hate , such attitude , such back answers all the time . Inspite of being brought up in chauvinistic atmosphere Krishna took it all rather well . She pushed him so much ..............that a normal man wud have lost his temper and taught her the lesson of her life . Krishna greeted her family well , tried to talk to them , brought presents for her , tried to understand her thought process but was refuted by hATe each time and returned puzzled .His rose was not accepted , his gestures were consistently trampled upon and he was told this wud be his life FOREVER . He asked her on the first night , why then she gave him all those wrong signal;s . And thats why I say , it was a colossal misunderstanding and Pratigya also needs to accept her share of blame in trying to deal with reality in an indealistic way . She needs strict , unbiased introspection is my opinuion whenever I see this serial .
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i agree with you on the fact that Pratigya should have told her family the truth and should not have tried to solve all of her problems on her own. ( this is off topic but i have read in many posts how she should not have slapped angad on the train i think it's funny because during that episode I'm sure they wanted her to teach him a lesson. But, when they saw the outcome of her actions they blame everything on that slap. I agree it started from there but like the viewers she also did not know how far angad would go for revenge.) anyways Krishna was blind in love even if she had not reacted i highly doubt he would have left her alone and when he went to Nitin's house to talk to her his options made me laugh, 😆 he said if she had willingly went along with the engagement then he would kill nitin, but if she had been forced he would let him go. He didn't leave her much of a choice but to accept that she was forced to get engaged. and it was a good thing because then the hate she felt due to angad's acts would have been a little more justified. now the fact that she did not tell her family she did not want them to worry i guess, anyways that part is similar to what most female protagonist do in most serials. I'm not saying everything Pratigya did was right nor is Krishna always wrong but it's difficult to digest the fact that all of the problems are due to Pratigya when she is suffering as well. and lately she has been adjusting with him, also she was not always mean to him she was kind to him when he did the right thing. but, the first time he went against her family for her during the name ceremony thing it was too early for her to show any kind of feeling towards him at that time. But, after he helped her with saving Kesars child she was starting to open up to him, she even let him sleep with her on the same bed because she had started to trust him. But he ruined the situation himself with the pregnancy lie, which bothers me the most because if you look at the current situation the first person that should have been blamed was krishna. It was not necessary that pratigya be pregnant they had just gotten married. And he disgusted me even more when he said he would take care of everything then let her take all of the blame, she was abused so badly in front of everyone that she was forced let them know about their personal life. That may have not been necessary but you have to agree she was being blamed for his mistakes while he just stood their taking his mothers side. And like you said it's difficult to be shunned by those you love or care for, I understand Krishna does unnecessary things when he is angry and he does not mean them but Pratigya also accepted his family as his own only to be treated like an outsider almost everyday and being abused by her mother in law so it must have hurt when they abused her in front of everyone. just my POV P.S. no offense this is my first time on this forum i don;t mean to offend anyone.
Edited by Binny1247 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Kools!

You took the words right out of my mouth. It's not that I don't like Pratigya, I am very frustrated with her attitude. How can she be so clueless when everyone around her is hurt by her choices, decisions and actions including herself. So far the only thing she has done that is worthy of applause is saving Kesar's baby and even that was accomplished only bec' she had Krishna's support. Her lack of gratitude and appreciation of his little gestures until the day she got the chocolates were appalling to me. It's understandable if she was filled with rage in the early days of marriage. But why was she so adamant about even considering that the real person she saw every day at SS's house was not the Krishna she thought he was. She saw how he fought for her against his family. Even if she wasn't aware of it he spelled it out to her, still she refused to acknowledge it.

I hope after her father sent her packing back to Krishna she will finally open up and talk to Krishna so they can put the misunderstandings behind them and move forward. He has been way too patient with her antics and even a saint has a tipping point when they won't tolerate anymore. Krishna is not a saint by any meansand we know that and like him anyways bec' he is true to himself. He is even building her a home after all this. Go figure! What more proof does this girl need to get through this thick skull of hers? Wake up Pratigya! before you lose Krishna due to your own stubborness and stupidity.


correct!!! now its a big time for her to sit and think back all that happened and she should realize that she played a great role in creating current situations causing everyone to be unhappy.still Krishna is on her side and doing all that he can do to make her happy and their sacred relationship strong. she should feel immense regret and start correcting it today without carrying that weight further.I know she might crash down during this transition but one of the many beautiful things about being brought down to the ground is the realization that there is only one direction to go, and that is UP.
I hope Prats will start looking up soon
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Binny1247

These two things that u told me

1] that he gave her no real options at Nitins place

2] The pregnancy lie

I will tell u how i saw them . Ok .

1] He said that if u are getting married to him willingly I will kill him . The moment he said those words , I saw in him the fury of a man who believed he was led on . Guys there .......in Up , Bihar do not take to this kind of thing very kindly . Especially Krishna kind of guys. The reason he felt led on was by that time the pink sari incident had already taken place , the wrong signals had already ben recieved and interpreted in his own way . He felt , this girl had clearly given him signals and was perhaps now backing out and he , Krishna Singh was not gonna take that . That was a very realistic male frame of mind shown by Shanti Bhushan , the writer of the show . At the same time Krishna had no interest in harming Nitin simply for the sake of it , he was not blood thirsty like Angad . If Pratigya was not interested in Nitin and in this only for the fear factor he promised her NOt to touch a hair on Nitin's head . What he did not realise was he was not really giving her options at all , what she did not realise was his non optional kind of stand was coz he believed he had been led on and was not going to back out now and allow himself to be made a fool of by a gal . These things happen in plenty in that kind of atmosphere ...........the more rigid the town , the more these secret love affairs in signals and then the guy finds suddenly the gal is not paying attention to him at all but demurely looking the other way or getting engaged to some other guy . There too , I won't say Krishna was not at fault but then I wont blame him so much either .The setting itself is such .

2] The Pregnancy lie : It was indeed Krishna's mistake . But he had been enormously pressurized . By Father and by wife . The Father kept harping on pota and had given him honeymoon expenses with strict instruction to consummate and consummate fruitfully . [ Which meant , Dont do family planning at all ]. Here was this wife who was not giving any hope of any kind to him at all . . After the honeymoon when they returned Krishna had clearly told her not to do chores for him ...........but not to show any real colors of their marraige outside as his Bauji loved him and he did not want to break his Bauji's heart . When her vomiting was construed as a pregnancy , he encouraged that lie due to sheer immaturity and inexperience of not knowing how to deal with this complicated situation in which he felt oddly trapped . Subconsciously perhaps he wanted her to relent to him under this pressure at least . At least their marraige wud start in a real sense , he wud then put everything alright .He wud take away all her naraazgi later , at least let the ball get rolling was his attitude . At least i saw it that way . Besides if his family wud understand that she is NOT sleeping with him still , she wud be in a lot of trouble . There were a multitude of thoughts in Krishnas head and in a weak moment he took a silly decision . But my point is , wrong as he was , this girl was not exactly innocent .She had pushed him in a corner with her unrelenting attitude . How many days she was expecting to continue this way , no one knows , not God , not she , neither her sainted parents who were well aware of the fact . . I think Krishna kept quiet when SS took her out was coz it was the first confrontation with SS directly [ hers]and he was as stunned by the rapidity of events as SS anmd all the others . Not coz Krishna was afraid .He is fearless . The moment they went and everything sunk in , he exploded . He had not expected Pratigya wud refuse to lie to this extent . He was wrong but Pratigya too had made things very difficult for him and put him in an embarassing position in a chauvinistic household with her I will NEVVER sleep with u agenda. . My dear dont say please dont take offense ......Why wud I take offense ? I totally respect your opinion even if I agree or not with it . In fact I welcome contrary opinions if they are presented as well as u did.
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 15 years ago
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Binny1247

These two things that u told me

1] that he gave her no real options at Nitins place

2] The pregnancy lie

I will tell u how i saw them . Ok .

1] He said that if u are getting married to him willingly I will kill him . The moment he said those words , I saw in him the fury of a man who believed he was led on . Guys there .......in Up , Bihar do not take to this kind of thing very kindly . Especially Krishna kind of guys. The reason he felt led on was by that time the pink sari incident had already taken place , the wrong signals had already ben recieved and interpreted in his own way . He felt , this girl had clearly given him signals and was perhaps now backing out and he , Krishna Singh was not gonna take that . That was a very realistic male frame of mind shown by Shanti Bhushan , the writer of the show . At the same time Krishna had no interest in harming Nitin simply for the sake of it , he was not blood thirsty like Angad . If Pratigya was not interested in Nitin and in this only for the fear factor he promised her NOt to touch a hair on Nitin's head . What he did not realise was he was not really giving her options at all , what she did not realise was his non optional kind of stand was coz he believed he had been led on and was not going to back out now and allow himself to be made a fool of by a gal . These things happen in plenty in that kind of atmosphere ...........the more rigid the town , the more these secret love affairs in signals and then the guy finds suddenly the gal is not paying attention to him at all but demurely looking the other way or getting engaged to some other guy . There too , I won't say Krishna was not at fault but then I wont blame him so much either .The setting itself is such .

Okay about the wrong signals let's start with the beginning after he first saw her and started to stalk her, he actually told his friends that it did not matter if she loved him or not since a women really has to choice rather then to love the one that loves her and marries her. from his narrow mindedness i highly doubt he would have taken any rejection lightly in fact i can remember the advice he gave to one guy that came to him for help with his love life. He told him to either kill the guy his girlfriend loved or to ruin her to such an extent that no other man would ever look at her. Seriously this statement showed how far he would have gone if she had been given the importunity to tell him what she really thought of him. Also he was so blind in love that even the fiasco at the engagement did not once force him to think that may be she did not love him. Okay she gave him signals by mistake (like coming out of the house she thought the letter was sent by nitin) but she also told him at the engagement that she had never seen him before, and she did not even know him. He's not educated but he;s also no idiot he has enough sense to think before he acts. also the saree thing she wanted to meet him and tell him the truth not the best idea i know but it was ruined even before she had a chance to meet him by angad.

2] The Pregnancy lie : It was indeed Krishna's mistake . But he had been enormously pressurized . By Father and by wife . The Father kept harping on pota and had given him honeymoon expenses with strict instruction to consummate and consummate fruitfully . [ Which meant , Dont do family planning at all ]. Here was this wife who was not giving any hope of any kind to him at all . . After the honeymoon when they returned Krishna had clearly told her not to do chores for him ...........but not to show any real colors of their marraige outside as his Bauji loved him and he did not want to break his Bauji's heart . When her vomiting was construed as a pregnancy , he encouraged that lie due to sheer immaturity and inexperience of not knowing how to deal with this complicated situation in which he felt oddly trapped . Subconsciously perhaps he wanted her to relent to him under this pressure at least . At least their marraige wud start in a real sense , he wud then put everything alright .He wud take away all her naraazgi later , at least let the ball get rolling was his attitude . At least i saw it that way . Besides if his family wud understand that she is NOT sleeping with him still , she wud be in a lot of trouble . There were a multitude of thoughts in Krishnas head and in a weak moment he took a silly decision . But my point is , wrong as he was , this girl was not exactly innocent .She had pushed him in a corner with her unrelenting attitude . How many days she was expecting to continue this way , no one knows , not God , not she , neither her sainted parents who were well aware of the fact .From his attempt to rape her later on i doubt it was a silly decision maybe it did not start out due to this but the thought entered his head, that was bad enough. Also why is it that his ego always comes before his love for prats. I've noticed this repeatedly first he had to force her to lie about her engagement so he would not look bad in front of his friends. Then the attempt to rape during the honeymoon because he did not want to look weak in front of his family, once again a lie about pregnancy to protect his manhood, and blaming it on prats to protect himself. Finally he created scene in front of everyone when she found her eating with arushi I understand he was angry but the dramatic scene was unnecessary, he should have taken her to the side and talked about it. Why should prats always understand he should use his brain sometimes as well. finally because he felt hurt by prats words due to his reaction he took her by gunpoint ant tied her to his seat like an animal. Also about not doing the chores for him he changes what he wants repeatedly he also said he would never touch her again and we all know what happened to that promise.
. I think Krishna kept quiet when SS took her out was coz it was the first confrontation with SS directly [ hers]and he was as stunned by the rapidity of events as SS anmd all the others . Not coz Krishna was afraid .He is fearless . The moment they went and everything sunk in , he exploded . He had not expected Pratigya wud refuse to lie to this extent . He was wrong but Pratigya too had made things very difficult for him and put him in an embarassing position in a chauvinistic household with her I will NEVVER sleep with u agenda. .He was not only shocked but angry at her because she refused to lie for him, and about her talking about their personal life if he had accepted the truth she would not have had to go that far. She waited for him to say something while she was being verbally abused by his family she kept looking at him in the hope of him defending her but when she saw it was of no use she took matters in to her own hands.
My dear dont say please dont take offense ......Why wud I take offense ? I totally respect your opinion even if I agree or not with it . In fact I welcome contrary opinions if they are presented as well as u did.

Thanks by the way after watching yesterday's episode even I'm starting to believe he truly loves her, hopefully he does not ruin everything. This time though if anything goes wrong both angand and prats family would be at fault.
Edited by Binny1247 - 15 years ago
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Binny1247 . 'The thought entered his head that was bad enough'.............if we look at this from a realism point of view and not idealistic , 90% of males ., educated or uneducated , whether from UP or not from UP would have at least thought of forced sex in a moment of anger had they been living with a woman who from suhaag raat night had done tamashas , refused sex , refuted all their attempts to please her , destroyed their honeymoon and told them that this was how it was going to be forever . This woman needs to be taught a lesson would be the male fury . I am not saying they wud necessarily put the thought in action , all of them , but these thoughts wud indeed come when mind wud be filled with hate and anger at constant rejection .Neither am i justifying it nor encouraging it , I am merely stating a fact . The thought that entered his head was of course expected .............this woman was pushing him towards it by being purposefuly uncompromising . That didnt surprise me . What was not expected and surprising was how long this woman was expecting this siuation to last ..........that she wud do bahu duties and never be a wife to her husband and this wud be for FOREVER . This expectation is the unnatural one , the laughable one .
'The force he used to make her lie to protect his manhood in front of family and friends'............the force was not intentional , not purposefully planned , he is not that devious. The force came when he felt he was misled [ the engagement] and he was cornered [ The pregnancy lie] .Does that make it better ? No . But I wish to ask something here . What is , after all , manhood ? It is a man's idea of his 'izzat' . Why is everyone saying Krishna shud have no concept of izzat or manhood or not feel offended when he is rejected as a man .........may i know ? If u notice in this serial everyone is going around parading their 'izzat' concepts . Sajjan Singh has his concepts of izzat [ they are extreme and atrocious ] , the Professor and his family constantly talk of their IZZAT [ literally in two two minutes .We R shareef , We Have izzat , we r izzatdaar log ] , Pratigya constantly harps on HER Izzat ........she has given it the name of Atma Sammaaaan ...............{.This is a question of atma sammaan and that is a question of atma sammaan } so why shud Krishna not have any sense of izzat as a man when a woman has done everything except spit on his face perhaps ?
All these words are ultimately concepts of 'izzat' and they are after all personal to each . Today we see The Professor trying to protect his iZZAT by entertaining the demands of a sleazy blackmailer like Angad . He is protecting his so called izzat by doing a wrong thing , right ? He doesn't want the society to know that Pratigya was out all night with a man before marraige . This izzat is very very personal to him , he cannot bear it being torn to shreds . Is he thinking of the ideal solution to this with a rational mind ? Same way , Krishna wanted to lie to the society to keep up the facade of his marraige as he wud be laughed at as a man in that chauvinistic society , his 'izaat' wud be torn to shreds . He too was afraid of humiliation . Who isn't ? And tomorrow if Pratigya understands her Father lied as he did not want her and himself humilated in front of society , she shud understand that Krishna too had his own concept of izzat and was afraid of humiliation ! Why double standards here ?
His talks sound egoistic but his actions are egoless and so is his love . He talks like that occasionally like a parrot coz he has been born and bred that way .............just see where he is coming from . He addresses issues in public [ panipuri scene or SARRY scene] coz he is ill bred , uncouth , uncultured . He is exactly the opposite of a gentleman . But his actions are egoless . He has no problem telling her publicly sorry , or going to her at night for seeing her at least for 10 minutes , he even touched her feet on marraige day in front of all .He tried to help her in the kitchen when she was kneading dough for the rotis , unashamed that his family wud laugh at him [ which they did] . We see him telling Chandu Tunna that I have no problem in placating my wife .Why not ?I made her upset , I will placate her too .
Judge him by his actions , not his words . U said now u believe he loves her [ after latest episode] .........viewers like me understood that he loved her like crazy from the beginning . He went about expressing it the wrong way but his love was unwavering and genuine . He wud do anything and everything for her and a little bit of understanding or love from her side wud have subdued the beast in him [ constantly brought to the fore by his father] completely . He wud have been like wax in her hands , but she did not realise that as she was blinded by rage . Thats why i say , a colossal misunderstanding and such a waste of the real power of woman .
Yes , this time if anything goes wrong Pratifgya's family will be terribly at fault . You know why ?Coz they know very well that she has to this point not consummated her marraige with Krishna as she has nafrat for him due to kidnapping and nitins beating especially . Yet they are not telling her ...........when there are chances that knowing this truth she may agree to forget the other minor things and really give her marraige a chance this time . If she will never be aware of these facts , her marraige will be doomed this way forever as they r not filing for divorce either . Yet they r keeping quiet . That means even if Angad goes away , they may still not tell her the facts and that is UNFORGIVABLE. Keeping her hating Krishna for something he never did .............they owe this truth telling at least for humanity sake that they keep boasting about .
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Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 15 years ago
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Binny1247 . 'The thought entered his head that was bad enough'.............if we look at this from a realism point of view and not idealistic , 90% of males ., educated or uneducated , whether from UP or not from UP would have at least thought of forced sex in a moment of anger had they been living with a woman who from suhaag raat night had done tamashas , refused sex , refuted all their attempts to please her , destroyed their honeymoon and told them that this was how it was going to be forever . This woman needs to be taught a lesson would be the male fury . I am not saying they wud necessarily put the thought in action , all of them , but these thoughts wud indeed come when mind wud be filled with hate and anger at constant rejection .Neither am i justifying it nor encouraging it , I am merely stating a fact . The thought that entered his head was of course expected .............this woman was pushing him towards it by being purposefuly uncompromising . That didnt surprise me . What was not expected and surprising was how long this woman was expecting this siuation to last ..........that she wud do bahu duties and never be a wife to her husband and this wud be for FOREVER . This expectation is the unnatural one , the laughable one .
Not exactly actually my problem was the reason he attempted to rape her, i know this type of person in this situation may think about rape but his reasons were unacceptable. in fact to me any reason is unacceptable i don't care what reaction or how she behaved with him ( and to be honest she never really did anything seriously wrong with him she only denied him her body which is every women's right) Seriously if you think about it in both of his attempts to rape her he was only thinking selfishly it was not only for love first it was for his family and the second attempt was to hide the truth from his family. Don't misunderstand i would not condone rape even if it was just because he loved her. And it's wrong to say she did not fulfill her wifely duties is sleeping with your husband the only thing a women must do in order to be considered a good wife. She was an excellent bahu she took care of everyone in his house without being rude to anyone and respecting them even if they did not deserve it. Also when he got hurt she took care of him, she may not love him but through her actions you can't say she does not care for his well being. Even after she was mistreated in his family she took care of Kesar's problem, and she understood that she could not have done it without krishna and she showed him this by trusting him until he ruined it ( but we already discussed this point). overall she tried to be a good wife but a person is not considered a good wife until she is also a good bahu which she is she takes care of his family whom now she considers as her own and he was expressed to her how much he liked how he took care of his family.

'The force he used to make her lie to protect his manhood in front of family and friends'............the force was not intentional , not purposefully planned , he is not that devious. The force came when he felt he was misled [ the engagement] and he was cornered [ The pregnancy lie] .Does that make it better ? No . But I wish to ask something here . What is , after all , manhood ? It is a man's idea of his 'izzat' . Why is everyone saying Krishna shud have no concept of izzat or manhood or not feel offended when he is rejected as a man .........may i know ? If u notice in this serial everyone is going around parading their 'izzat' concepts . Sajjan Singh has his concepts of izzat [ they are extreme and atrocious ] , the Professor and his family constantly talk of their IZZAT [ literally in two two minutes .We R shareef , We Have izzat , we r izzatdaar log ] , Pratigya constantly harps on HER Izzat ........she has given it the name of Atma Sammaaaan ...............{.This is a question of atma sammaan and that is a question of atma sammaan } so why shud Krishna not have any sense of izzat as a man when a woman has done everything except spit on his face perhaps ?
He was never mislead you may say he was mislead up till the marriage but all things were cleared by prats on the night of their marriage. Seriously i understand your point but Prats once again is not wrong she has self respect and so does Krishna. But, if krishna was so worried about his self respect he would listened to prats and not made a bad matter worse by lying. If he would get down from the high horse of being a man and listen to his wife calmly like in yesterday's episode he would not have made such a drastic decision which was bound to blow up in his face. I know he is not devious he just makes stupid mistakes but why should his wife suffer the consequences for his mistakes. And i noticed many times even before he lied she tried to stop him but he was too worried about looking bad that he refused to listen to her if he had , then he would not have made such a decision in shock and would never have lost prats trust. Prats has made mistakes too but due to the misunderstandings created by angad, but he can force her to listen to him while she really can't .
All these words are ultimately concepts of 'izzat' and they are after all personal to each . Today we see The Professor trying to protect his iZZAT by entertaining the demands of a sleazy blackmailer like Angad . He is protecting his so called izzat by doing a wrong thing , right ? He doesn't want the society to know that Pratigya was out all night with a man before marraige . This izzat is very very personal to him , he cannot bear it being torn to shreds . Is he thinking of the ideal solution to this with a rational mind ? Same way , Krishna wanted to lie to the society to keep up the facade of his marraige as he wud be laughed at as a man in that chauvinistic society , his 'izaat' wud be torn to shreds . He too was afraid of humiliation . Who isn't ? And tomorrow if Pratigya understands her Father lied as he did not want her and himself humilated in front of society , she shud understand that Krishna too had his own concept of izzat and was afraid of humiliation ! Why double standards here ?
Krishna's situation was a little different he could have told the truth without too many repercussions his family would have been upset for a while but it' s important to realize they were just married it's not necessary she be pregnant right away. But it both situations people are fearing the others reaction, Krishna his families while prats father fears Krishna's reaction. this makes sense since they have seen his anger remember the handshake incident, and then taking her home at gunpoint. they know about his anger they also fear SS and amma's reaction to the situation which is the most important since they already hate her and are just looking for a reason to kick her out of their son's life.
His talks sound egoistic but his actions are egoless and so is his love . He talks like that occasionally like a parrot coz he has been born and bred that way .............just see where he is coming from . He addresses issues in public [ panipuri scene or SARRY scene] coz he is ill bred , uncouth , uncultured . He is exactly the opposite of a gentleman . But his actions are egoless . He has no problem telling her publicly sorry , or going to her at night for seeing her at least for 10 minutes , he even touched her feet on marraige day in front of all .He tried to help her in the kitchen when she was kneading dough for the rotis , unashamed that his family wud laugh at him [ which they did] . We see him telling Chandu Tunna that I have no problem in placating my wife .Why not ?I made her upset , I will placate her too .
Saying sorry in public really that sounded so bad because he didn't mean it in fact to him it was just a word that would hopefully get him his wife back. and when he went to meet her it was obvious that she was angry with him but she cared she gave him food and took and looked troubled when she saw he had hurt his hand as well as when he started coughing. both of them have been changing their behavior towards one another very gradually. this makes the most sense since they hardly know anything about one another, and as you get to know the other person better you start to understand how they are as a human being. And the kitchen thing was adorable i really liked that.
Judge him by his actions , not his words . U said now u believe he loves her [ after latest episode] .........viewers like me understood that he loved her like crazy from the beginning . He went about expressing it the wrong way but his love was unwavering and genuine . He wud do anything and everything for her and a little bit of understanding or love from her side wud have subdued the beast in him [ constantly brought to the fore by his father] completely . He wud have been like wax in her hands , but she did not realise that as she was blinded by rage . Thats why i say , a colossal misunderstanding and such a waste of the real power of woman .
The root of the problem in their relationship is exactly this he does not know how to express his love in the correct way. (And i knew he loved her as well i meant for the first time you could see it in his behavior and hear it in his tone of voice as well how much he cared for her. yesterday he expressed his love correctly and got a positive reaction from prats.) which forced her to take her pratigya to correct his and his families ways so it was just impossible for her to love a man that due to misunderstandings had given so much pain to her family and her. This would have been difficult for any women yet she tried to adjust to his families way of life no matter how bad they were and tried her best to fight without being rude and talking back to her elders.

Yes , this time if anything goes wrong Pratifgya's family will be terribly at fault . You know why ?Coz they know very well that she has to this point not consummated her marraige with Krishna as she has nafrat for him due to kidnapping and nitins beating especially . Yet they are not telling her ...........when there are chances that knowing this truth she may agree to forget the other minor things and really give her marraige a chance this time . If she will never be aware of these facts , her marraige will be doomed this way forever as they r not filing for divorce either . Yet they r keeping quiet . That means even if Angad goes away , they may still not tell her the facts and that is UNFORGIVABLE. Keeping her hating Krishna for something he never did .............they owe this truth telling at least for humanity sake that they keep boasting about .
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recently i think ever since she has seen the real side of him and his friends at his adda she has been kinder to him, and much more understanding of his weird way of expressing love. and even before she get's to know the truth i believe she has started to kind of like him. and i agree the parents have lost it telling her the truth was their best option, they are just making things worse they are going to be the cause for kriya separation.
Edited by Binny1247 - 15 years ago
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back after a long time. currently hooked on to pratigya serial.

this is my view on the current track


the saxenas: a decent family. well educated but highly conservative. the parents have taught them and brought them up well but forgot to teach them how to stand up to challenges . the children are hot headed and want to prove themselves but the professor and his wife always stop them from doing so as they are scared of this society. not a good thing to do especially when the world is full of wicked people

pratigya: professor ki badi beti. acchi hain sanskari hain. she is the only child who can stand up to both her inlaws and her parents. she did try to be brave and tackle gundas on her own but when she saw that krishna would go to any extent to get her she finally decided to marry him and teach him a lesson. not a bad choice pratigya. krishna is a good at heart now all u have to do is show him the right path to love. thoda mushkil hain lekin kar sakti ho. but the effort must be from your side initially.
do not keep thinking abt ur family and inlaws as they can handle their problems.

vaise even if pratigya had told abt this gunda problem to parents do u think they would be able to do anything? jab yeh professor angad jaise local gunde ko handle nahin kar pa raha hain to krishna jaise bade gunde ko kya handle karta? tab bhi pratigya ko kisenwa se hi shadi karni padti uske paas aur koi chara bacha hi nahin.

as long as angad and saxenas hide facts from pratigya she will continue to dislike krishna as she still thinks that krishna was the one who kidnapped her. so can't blame her for not getting close to krishna.

aarushi: now this is one strong girl like apni komaliya who is bold enough to point out what is right and wrong and also fight for her sisters cause chahein use apni maa baap se maar bhi kyon na khani paden. again i do not agree with the professor for stopping her as what she said abt angad is right and is high time the whole family come together and stop this gundaism.

adarsh: adarsh maa baap ka adarsh beta. the perfect husband and foil for that hot headed komal. i liked the way his parents dealt with her and changed her. but now i think it is high time adarsh asks his old man to stay quiet and let him take over. kab tak maap baap ki advice leke jeeyega. he did the smart thing by marrying komal but if he had the guts to go to sajjan singh and krishna and ask for their daughter's hand without telling his parents he should have the guts to handle angad too without telling his parents.

if both aarushi and adarsh keep telling them everything about what they are doing to handle people like angad, krishna and other troublesome characters then their parents will as usual stop them and they will never learn to do things on their own or stand up for themselves and others. aisi baatein parents ko bataani chahiyen but it is high time to tell them that we are not kids so do not stop us from doing the rite thing. hamesha mummy daddy uske aage peeche ghoomte rehtein hain use kuch karnen nahin dete.

meri baat mano adarsh- pehle tum abroad jaane ki soch rahe the. idea bura nahin hai. yaha rahoge pis jaoge. sajjan sing ke ghar jao, komal ka haath pakadkar nikal jao dubai nigeria africa america parents ko mat batana. dono khush rahoge ss aur prof ke over protective nazron se door. heh heh

krishna: ab inka kya kehna. sab kuch sahi diya hai. chehra dil dimag. lekin iska istemal thikse nahin karta. philhaal apne adde par jamkar baith jao. pratigya dheere dheere samjha degi. wapas ss ke paas aur phir wahi bakwaas. adarsh ki tarah ammaji aur biwi ke beech pis jaoge. upar se daku jaisa baap. hope u stick to ur promise and never leave pratigya as ur brains sometime show the tendency of being influenced by the evil ss and ammaji. pratigya padhi likhi hain uske saath rahoge civilized zindagi jeeoge chahe jeene ka spot gundon ka adda hi kyon na ho. dekha nahin tum aur tumhare dost kaise ache bacche ban gaye jab tumhare adde ki choukat par pratigya ne kadam rakha. lage raho wahi par.

ammaji: yeh maar khaati rahegi lekin phir bhi sudhregi nahin. arreuy itni sundar gunwaan bahu mili hain phir bhi bewajah usse tang karti hain. ss be uski baaton mein aane lagein hain. thankfully ur son is blinded by love so never listens to u. so good for him. lekin saas to saas hain aur aisi saas ke bagair serial kuch khaas nahin so keep doing what u r doing as i like u the way u are and nothing better can be expected from u. anth mein tumhein jo maar khani padegi wo alag,
aur har baar pratigya nahin aayegi tumhein bachane.

komal: brave and courageous. innocent but tends to be evil. akhir beti kiski hain? what i do not understand is if she is not scared of anyone even ss why is she staying in maayka? pratigya ko baat baat par blame karti hai. apna time waste karti hai. pratigya bhabhi se kuch seekh. bag utha aur jaa apne sasural tum toh apne baap se bhi do kadam aage ho koi nahin rokega. aur thoda adarsh ko bhi brave banne ka gyaan do. ulta use ggali deti ho. u r proving to be a good daughter and daughter in law. now be a good wife, cooking seekho , responsibilities uthao. jab dekho sasural jana hai ka rath lagati ho. wahaan jaakar kya karti ho? shopping jaati ho, cinema dekhti ho aisa kab tak chalega? maayke mein rahogi apni amma se bhi zyaada buri ban jaogi. and why blame pratigya komal ji. it was krishna who made u bali ka bakra. u komal is fed up of the uncivilised behaviour of ur fathers abd brothers u have seen them treating their wives brutally. u r lucky ur inlaws dont do the same and u would never bow down to it then how to do u expect pratigya to put up with it? i agree ur marriage was a tradeoff but the fact remains that u r selfish and u r thinking abt ur happiness onlu and blaming pratigya for everything when ur life is far better than hers. sab kuch jaante hue bhi anjaan banti ho ye achi baat to to nahin. waise u should be thanking ur brother for such beautiful inlaws. zyaada koso mat aur pratigya ke cause ko support karo. ur bhabhi kesar despite being a weakling stood up for pratigya, tum bhi kuch positive karo yaar varna nafrat ki aag mein jalti reh jaoge.


ss: ab inke baare mein kya kehna such a perfect character. i just love him he is my favourite.
sab kuch sikhaya bachon ko. they r brave intelligent and courageous. but unki galtiyon ko ignore karna and encouraging them to do more galtiyan is madness,
they will be the cause of ur downfall i tell u. achi bahu mili hai, sabko sudhaar degi, accept karo yaar pratigya ko,

so basically one cannot blame the pratigya character for all that is happening in her life and in others life. after all bechari ne kiya kya hai. ek angad ko thappad mara aur dekhte hi dekhte uski life badal gayi. so i feel that all the characters r rite in their own ways. if there is a problem it is affecting all the characters and naturally the solution taken will also affect all the characters as they r related to each other. but doesn't that happen in real life too? it is our attitude towards people and the way we deal with them in our own way affect us and those who are connected to us. as no brain thinks and acts exactly as an another one. to err is human. to rectify it is also human. but no human is perfect. and the characters in pratigya are showing us the various faces and the even more varied and complicated thinking of a human being .😃

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