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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: anujkpjk

hi
back after a long time. currently hooked on to pratigya serial.

this is my view on the current track


the saxenas: a decent family. well educated but highly conservative. the parents have taught them and brought them up well but forgot to teach them how to stand up to challenges . the children are hot headed and want to prove themselves but the professor and his wife always stop them from doing so as they are scared of this society. not a good thing to do especially when the world is full of wicked people. Prof. forget to teach his children to think on their feet and find real life solutions to real life problems. They are more concerned about society's opinion of them than their own welfare.😕

pratigya: professor ki badi beti. acchi hain sanskari hain. she is the only child who can stand up to both her inlaws and her parents. she did try to be brave and tackle gundas on her own but when she saw that krishna would go to any extent to get her she finally decided to marry him and teach him a lesson. not a bad choice pratigya. krishna is a good at heart now all u have to do is show him the right path to love. thoda mushkil hain lekin kar sakti ho. but the effort must be from your side initially.
do not keep thinking abt ur family and inlaws as they can handle their problems. Exactly! While she is trying to fix everyone else's life and she is letting her own marriage go down the tubes.😲

vaise even if pratigya had told abt this gunda problem to parents do u think they would be able to do anything? jab yeh professor angad jaise local gunde ko handle nahin kar pa raha hain to krishna jaise bade gunde ko kya handle karta? tab bhi pratigya ko kisenwa se hi shadi karni padti uske paas aur koi chara bacha hi nahin.

as long as angad and saxenas hide facts from pratigya she will continue to dislike krishna as she still thinks that krishna was the one who kidnapped her. so can't blame her for not getting close to krishna. Prof. doesn't trust his daughter's impulsive judgment at this point or his damadh's temper, they are both similar and unpredictable that way.

aarushi: now this is one strong girl like apni komaliya who is bold enough to point out what is right and wrong and also fight for her sisters cause chahein use apni maa baap se maar bhi kyon na khani paden. again i do not agree with the professor for stopping her as what she said abt angad is right up to this point Arushi has been big on talk and flees Angad like a coward every time. She is set to flee/run away from her home in the coming week or two. She is still under age and has caused a lot of drama in her sister's life with her behavior and lacks maturityand is high time the whole family come together and stop this gundaism.

adarsh: adarsh maa baap ka adarsh beta. the perfect husband and foil for that hot headed komal. i liked the way his parents dealt with her and changed her. but now i think it is high time adarsh asks his old man to stay quiet and let him take over. kab tak maap baap ki advice leke jeeyega. he did the smart thing by marrying komal but if he had the guts to go to sajjan singh and krishna and ask for their daughter's hand without telling his parents he should have the guts to handle angad too without telling his parents. Good point! Was that a one time fluke that he stood up to SS and Krishna to protect his sister. With gutsy Komal on his side he can confront the likes of Angad. The Sax family is more concerned about what society would say than saving themselves from harassment and blackmail from the likes of Angad.

if both aarushi and adarsh keep telling them everything about what they are doing to handle people like angad, krishna and other troublesome characters then their parents will as usual stop them and they will never learn to do things on their own or stand up for themselves and others. aisi baatein parents ko bataani chahiyen but it is high time to tell them that we are not kids so do not stop us from doing the rite thing. hamesha mummy daddy uske aage peeche ghoomte rehtein hain use kuch karnen nahin dete. None of the Sax children have the self-confidence to be independent thinkers and act on it. Prats is growing bolder only bec' until now Krishna has supported her and she knows he loves her, even though she rejects it.

meri baat mano adarsh- pehle tum abroad jaane ki soch rahe the. idea bura nahin hai. yaha rahoge pis jaoge. sajjan sing ke ghar jao, komal ka haath pakadkar nikal jao dubai nigeria africa america parents ko mat batana. dono khush rahoge ss aur prof ke over protective nazron se door. heh heh

krishna: ab inka kya kehna. sab kuch sahi diya hai. chehra dil dimag. lekin iska istemal thikse nahin karta. philhaal apne adde par jamkar baith jao. pratigya dheere dheere samjha degi. wapas ss ke paas aur phir wahi bakwaas. adarsh ki tarah ammaji aur biwi ke beech pis jaoge. upar se daku jaisa baap. hope u stick to ur promise and never leave pratigya as ur brains sometime show the tendency of being influenced by the evil ss and ammaji. pratigya padhi likhi hain uske saath rahoge civilized zindagi jeeoge chahe jeene ka spot gundon ka adda hi kyon na ho. dekha nahin tum aur tumhare dost kaise ache bacche ban gaye jab tumhare adde ki choukat par pratigya ne kadam rakha. lage raho wahi par. Gone is the self-confident man about town, his self-confidence has been chipped away by his wife and his parents since he got married.

ammaji: yeh maar khaati rahegi lekin phir bhi sudhregi nahin. arreuy itni sundar gunwaan bahu mili hain phir bhi bewajah usse tang karti hain. ss be uski baaton mein aane lagein hain. thankfully ur son is blinded by love so never listens to u. so good for him. lekin saas to saas hain aur aisi saas ke bagair serial kuch khaas nahin so keep doing what u r doing as i like u the way u are and nothing better can be expected from u. anth mein tumhein jo maar khani padegi wo alag,
aur har baar pratigya nahin aayegi tumhein bachane.

komal: brave and courageous. innocent but tends to be evil. akhir beti kiski hain? what i do not understand is if she is not scared of anyone even ss why is she staying in maayka? pratigya ko baat baat par blame karti hai. apna time waste karti hai. pratigya bhabhi se kuch seekh. bag utha aur jaa apne sasural tum toh apne baap se bhi do kadam aage ho koi nahin rokega. aur thoda adarsh ko bhi brave banne ka gyaan do. ulta use ggali deti ho. u r proving to be a good daughter and daughter in law. now be a good wife, cooking seekho , responsibilities uthao. jab dekho sasural jana hai ka rath lagati ho. wahaan jaakar kya karti ho? shopping jaati ho, cinema dekhti ho aisa kab tak chalega? maayke mein rahogi apni amma se bhi zyaada buri ban jaogi. and why blame pratigya komal ji. it was krishna who made u bali ka bakra. u komal is fed up of the uncivilised behaviour of ur fathers abd brothers u have seen them treating their wives brutally. u r lucky ur inlaws dont do the same and u would never bow down to it then how to do u expect pratigya to put up with it? i agree ur marriage was a tradeoff but the fact remains that u r selfish and u r thinking abt ur happiness onlu and blaming pratigya for everything when ur life is far better than hers. sab kuch jaante hue bhi anjaan banti ho ye achi baat to to nahin. waise u should be thanking ur brother for such beautiful inlaws. zyaada koso mat aur pratigya ke cause ko support karo. ur bhabhi kesar despite being a weakling stood up for pratigya, tum bhi kuch positive karo yaar varna nafrat ki aag mein jalti reh jaoge. I questione her reluctance to stand up to SS and demand to go back to her sasural.


ss: ab inke baare mein kya kehna such a perfect character. i just love him he is my favourite.
sab kuch sikhaya bachon ko. they r brave intelligent and courageous. but unki galtiyon ko ignore karna and encouraging them to do more galtiyan is madness,
they will be the cause of ur downfall i tell u. achi bahu mili hai, sabko sudhaar degi, accept karo yaar pratigya ko,

so basically one cannot blame the pratigya character for all that is happening in her life and in others life. after all bechari ne kiya kya hai. ek angad ko thappad mara aur dekhte hi dekhte uski life badal gayi. so i feel that all the characters r rite in their own ways. if there is a problem it is affecting all the characters and naturally the solution taken will also affect all the characters as they r related to each other. but doesn't that happen in real life too? it is our attitude towards people and the way we deal with them in our own way affect us and those who are connected to us. as no brain thinks and acts exactly as an another one. to err is human. to rectify it is also human. but no human is perfect. and the characters in pratigya are showing us the various faces and the even more varied and complicated thinking of a human being .😃 Sahi bath hai beta!


Edited by MERARAI - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Binny1247 , .
A realism point of view is different . Rape is unacceptable and we dont condone it for any reason .....even for love yes . But what I am trying to say is something diffrent . The happenings in the real world are hardly going to change or stop coz we idealistically condone it or not . If the reaction in fury at your manhood being made fun of or rejected constantly is going to be marital rape or divorce , well , it will be that way , plain and simple . Educated men cannot handle such rejection , such contempt and become monsters in the privacy of their bedroom .......then what to say of uneducated boors ? This is reality . What does our condoning or not condoning have to do with this reality .............reality always remains just as it is . Men are physically stronger .........a biological reality . Male Ego ......another reality .So many eras have passed , women r today working alongside men in offices , have these realities changed ? My dear I don't condone rape either , not even for love , but what I am saying is realities dont change , eVER .
If it is Bihar , it is gonna be Bihar only . Polls and votes will be rigged , corruption will be rampant . My personal condoning or education will have to take a backseat and I will have to learn to survive there by using my intelligence . If my head is intact I can wear a turban , if my head itself is cut how will i dream of wearing a turban ?
When it is a question of survival , one cannot think of idealism at all . The first sensible thing to do is first survive , and then apply your ideals intelligently within the framework of your infrastructure and social structure . Do we see Pratigya doing that ? No , we see ........
DHANG SE BAAT KARNA SEEKHO . Arre from where ? The poor chap is uneducated and brought up in a brutal atmosphere , from where will he sit and stand like Nitin ? Instead of insisting on the DHANG why not pay attention to the BAAT ? He is saying something , trying to say something , LISTEN . Full day if u do HUmph ! Uff ! and walk off , what are u going to understand , what communication will be there to attempt to change anything ?
Hum Aap se hamesha NAFRAT karenge .......why the hell did u get married then and did u really expect this sentence to save your family in any way ? And inspite of uttering this sentence umpteen times if your familiy is still 'saved' it is due to whose goodness ? Pratigya's ? or Krishna's ?
Hum Bhagwaan ke Saamne Jhoot nahi bolte ......Arre but in front of Bhagwaan you promised that you are entering the holy bond of matrimony and yet later told the husband you will nEVER give him true happiness .Such a sanskaari gal , surely she knows the most important sanskaar ..........of shaadi ? That it cannot be based on a hate agenda and that it shud not be entered into with hate as a base at all ?Yet in front of another holy fire , much later she said I cannot LIE to even keep a secret ! So truthful if she is , why did she not stop before the seven rounds were taken around the marraige holy fire and say STOp ! I cannot lie , Im Nevver gonna give this man happiness ? I cannot lie before holy fires , its my weak point ?
What she wants are radical changes in Krishna. No awareness of reality , she simply wants changes and wants them pronto . I wont eat things brought from loot ......isnt it a bit late in the day to think about it ? He is uneducated and has no job .......how will he suddenly start earning money ? Go live with him home and gradually convince him to take interest in his Dad's thekedaari or sum business . Do changes happen in a day ?
Sleeping with husband is not the only thing expected of a wife , other things are there too ....true .But this can be applied at a later stage in marraige ........for instance if the wife becomes a cripple in an accident , husband shud still love her although their sexual life has literally ended coz sex never was the ultimate goal of life , it was merelly a means of expressing the real goal .....love .Or if perhaps a woman has chronic depression or breast cancer and loses interest in sex , fine , husband shud never coerce her and simply be there for her as what she needs at that stage is his companionship . But the beginning of the marraige only if the man is told that she will purposefully withhold physical and emotional intimacy from him how is the man supposed to feel ?
You say she cleared ALL in first night .........No she didnt .She made many ambiguous statements in fury but she never really told him how she hated him for beating Nitin although he promised her he wud not or why the hell did he kidnap her so brutally . She gives irrelevant bhashans instead of talking factually .
About how excellent she was as a bahu ...........it is a rich family , was she brought there to make beds , cook , make pickles and serve food ? They can easily throw some hundreds of rupees and get one more servant to help Amma besides Piyasiya to do these butler duties .They brought her there inspite of being a kayasth , only to humor their favorite child , thinking ok , thats his choice , let him be happy , if he says he will find happiness only with his woman , so be it . And that she was NOT doing .
Even now , she is not divorcing krishna .She is ready to go back when SS comes , and wants to continue the same life as before , telling Krishna I will never give u physical or emotional sukh for LIFe and this is our LIFE . My revenge .My Sabak . My saving of my family .Makes sense ? At least not to me , from any angle.
These Tabela moments r the thawing phase I think . Lets see .
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Hi koolsadhu1000

Here is my POV on your reply

Lets start with the communiation problem which seems to be a problem not only for kriya but for every character in this show. We can agree on the fact that any marriage can work if the partners are willing to listen to and understand one another. This is the biggest problem in the kriya marriage, but it's unacceptable to blame only pratigya for this issue. When It became obvious on the night of their marriage just how willing Krishna was to listen to what she had to say. If you paid attention on their first night even before pratigya had a chance to tell him about the kidnapping and the beating Krishna's anger completely took over him which was obvious through his actions he grabbed her neck and broke things in their room. I know what you are thinking he was taking his frustration out on her because he thought she loved him another misunderstanding caused by a lack of communication on his part and his ego forcing him to believe no women would dare reject him. This was repeated once again on their honeymoon even before she was able to explain to him why she could never love a person like him he physically abused her once again by pushing her and pulling her hair. Actually if you look at their conversations after marriage every time pratigya has said something he did not like he either left the room, abused her, or forced her to keep quiet. I understand he is uneducated but education is not really required to ask someone to further explain something , or to learn why she hated him so much. I can understand why pratigya was unwilling to listen to him she hated him, but Krishna who loved her was also unwilling to listen to her when she needed him the most during kesars problem.

I know he took his frustration out on her because of her indifference towards him, but what I want to know is if he can take his frustration out on his wife whey can't she vent our her anger on him. She definitely made a mistake by taking the emotional decision to marry him, but did so her family could live in peace once again, but she was forced to bear another shock on the day of their marriage his illiteracy. Any women would have been frustrated and angry, and she was forced to marry the man that humiliated not only her but her family as well in front of everyone. There were misunderstandings caused by angad but Krishna had also made mistakes like sending her brother to jail and humiliating her during her engagement. It would have been impossible for her to forget all of this so her frustration came out on the night of their marriage. When he refused to listen to her during kesars problem he was under the impression she was supporting angad a misunderstanding, also if he can attempt to rape her in frustration she can share her true feelings with him. Krishna has proven more than once he listens to no one he also got angry with her for a simple misunderstanding while pratigya has many serious misunderstandings about his character which are forcing her to be cold towards him. Even though she is rude to him I can accept that she has always tried to listen to him if it was worth listening to.

Seriously we both are well aware of the outcome, if she had refused to marry him on their wedding day. Now about the pooja the marriage and the pooja were two different things, I understand your point though they were both conducted in front of god. After the marriage she was truthful she completed all of the duties of a wife and DIL expect for sleeping with him. She took care of him, his family and respected her elders. She may not have loved him but she always took care of him when he needed her, and she was always the first one there when he needed her or had to talk to someone. The family has plenty of servants don't' they yet their DIL always have plenty to do. If she had kept quiet during the pooja it would have been a complete lie not only to god but to every single member of both of their families. She understood this she knew that they would be devastated far more if they found out later. I know Krishna lied for his families happiness but he was unable to understand that he was giving them more pain in the long run. Also if she had kept on lying for him she would have been just as responsible for the pain both families would have had to endure. And to tell you the truth I don't think anything would have changed Krishna's mind about marrying her, this was proven recently he left his house for a women he knows despises him. Just imagine how far he would have went to marry her if she had not given her consent.

I refuse to accept his behavior I don't think it's necessary for an uneducated person to be rude, manner less, and have such degrading thoughts of women. But, I would not blame him here since values and ethics are learned within the family. And I have seen how SS and his brother behave, and I can state the compared to them he is a much more tolerable person. His parents have taught him nothing of use only that others should fear you and if people don't give you what you desire take it by force. This is the reason It was so necessary for pratigya to refuse to go back home with him I can't blame her here. It was important to give him time to understand his mistakes and realize that in reality you can't achieve everything by force. And progress was seen in his behavior when he realized it was wrong to hit his wife and questioned kesar on how it felt to be beaten. Once again though his ego came out he listened to her but did not accept it since she did not say what he wanted to hear. But I liked the fact that he made an effort. SS did not accept pratigya as his DIL for his son's happiness alone that may have been a factor but in reality it was for his political career. And if his parents truly wanted his happiness pratigya would not have been treated the way she was by his family members. Fine she did not sleep with him but according to Krishna having her around was enough how come his parents did not understand this aspect of their son's happiness or even consider it before throwing her out of their house.

The thought of how to take care of his wife should have entered Krishna's head first don't you think. He left the house in anger but he knows he is uneducated and was incapable of providing for his wife. Instead of these thoughts he was under the misconception that he would be called home as soon as possible. Her refusing to eat food brought by force should not have come as a shock to him he should know by now how far she will go for the truth and how strong willed she was. Finally away from that mad house I saw Krishna for the first time not only listening but trying to understand pratigya. This was obvious when he understood the importance of being truthful to his wife and sold his ring to get her tea and food. This was another example of gradual change brought into Krishna by pratigya. I don't think it necessary that she loves him in order to change him, once he becomes a better human being she will fall for him automatically. And pratigya was also able to see the real Krishna for the first time, and she has begun to trust him once again and is trying to understand him. This was truly impossible in his house especially with a mother in law like amma always ready to create problems. She is ready to go back home mainly because her father told Krishna that if SS came to get her she would return. And looking at it from a cultural perspective she married him she must stay there.

by the way i was wondering what i should call you is di okay


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Posted: 15 years ago
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Wonder if Arushi, would make the sacrifice for Pratz, by agree to marry Angad. As Pratz make for her.
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The thought of how to take care of his wife should have entered Krishna's head first don't you think. He left the house in anger but he knows he is uneducated and was incapable of providing for his wife. Instead of these thoughts he was under the misconception that he would be called home as soon as possible. Her refusing to eat food brought by force should not have come as a shock to him he should know by now how far she will go for the truth and how strong willed she was. Finally away from that mad house I saw Krishna for the first time not only listening but trying to understand pratigya. This was obvious when he understood the importance of being truthful to his wife and sold his ring to get her tea and food. This was another example of gradual change brought into Krishna by pratigya. I don't think it necessary that she loves him in order to change him, once he becomes a better human being she will fall for him automatically. And pratigya was also able to see the real Krishna for the first time, and she has begun to trust him once again and is trying to understand him. This was truly impossible in his house especially with a mother in law like amma always ready to create problems. She is ready to go back home mainly because her father told Krishna that if SS came to get her she would return. And looking at it from a cultural perspective she married him she must stay there.


agree with u on the above point
Edited by anujkpjk - 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: anujkpjk

The thought of how to take care of his wife should have entered Krishna's head first don't you think. He left the house in anger but he knows he is uneducated and was incapable of providing for his wife. Instead of these thoughts he was under the misconception that he would be called home as soon as possible. Her refusing to eat food brought by force should not have come as a shock to him he should know by now how far she will go for the truth and how strong willed she was. Finally away from that mad house I saw Krishna for the first time not only listening but trying to understand pratigya. This was obvious when he understood the importance of being truthful to his wife and sold his ring to get her tea and food. This was another example of gradual change brought into Krishna by pratigya. I don't think it necessary that she loves him in order to change him, once he becomes a better human being she will fall for him automatically. And pratigya was also able to see the real Krishna for the first time, and she has begun to trust him once again and is trying to understand him. This was truly impossible in his house especially with a mother in law like amma always ready to create problems. She is ready to go back home mainly because her father told Krishna that if SS came to get her she would return. And looking at it from a cultural perspective she married him she must stay there.


agree with u on the above point

Binny1247
since anujkpjk picked these points up I will state my POV on these points here...........
Krishna was left with no alternative but to leave the house when biwi dearest , inspite of being take there at gunpoint , refused to budge from her stand and was denied entry as she refused to apologize . He too had not anticipated that she wud push things THIS FAR . Biwi dearest of course wanted to go back to maayka , get her hair oiled and go to and fro on Civil lines with Arushi eating fudge and Paanipuri , not thinking about Krishna or her marraige even once , content to glare at him when he occasinally showed up on her doorstep to take her .For her this life was JUST FINE. The problem was Krishna wanted her at any cost so he whisked her off to tabela and showed her what her REAL LIFE wud be .Now that maayka support is off and so is sasural support . Tabela is ALL she has . And Thats why I said isnt it too late in the day for HER to begin questioning his means of livelihood ..........she knew it was this way even when she got married !
To complain about Krishna not earning , how about the fact that she is eating like a freeloader at SS house ? [ That too without giving his son any happiness as a wife in real sense ........a fact for which SS was tolerating all her existence ?] She doesnt like SS and his policies either right and her dad tells her ur fault is ur SS 's bahu ! See my point is .........if they r bad , they bad period ....then be principled throughout ! On what basis is she refusing food , how many days is she gonna be hungry ...........is her maayka gonna feed her for life ? Just like Krishna is not earning , neither is SHE ..........so how is she taking principled stands and on what basis ? At least Krishna is practical in a way , he knows they cant live like this and wants to go to SS 's house . Later perhaps she can coax him to think of earning a living , this doesnt come in one day ! But all Pratigya's hoshiyaari is based on freeloading at maayka or freeloading at SS house ! What principle is this ? A principled stand shud be a principled stand THROUGHOUT without such inconsistencies . Her Dad told SS .hum beti ke sasural paani tak nahi peete.........so isnt it shameful to eat muft ki rotis forever at maayka after marraige too ? Where is Pratigyas principle in this ? Undoubtedly Krishna eating free at hotels is WRONG but my point is ............its a bit late in the day for even Pratigya to preach about this coz soooo many things she has not thought out right ?
Honestly lets not talk about the cultural perspective with Pratigya AT ALL . From cultural perspective she shud stay there .at sasural , right , thats why she shud never have said in the first place that Im leaving the house ......ss had not told her Get out , it was SHE who told Im going in a huff . Then she stayed at maayka , with no definete goal as to how long she was gonna live there that this freeloading doesnt look good in society ,, however good my Dad may be , people will talk . This common sense was not there in her . Then she pushed things so far that from Sasural she landed in Tabela. What she doesnt realise is I dont have a job and it was ultimately MY decision to marry HIM . So I gotta bear sum stuff and tackle it not by being strongheaded but tactfully . And since we r talking of cultural perspective here , how about working on the marraige since anyways she married for life ? A goalless , hateful Agenda will achieve what ? How immature this gal is . Krishna is immature but this gal is EQUAL .
And yes Binny dear , u can call me DI by all means .Will reply to other points later as I get time.

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