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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: kaasshh

well thats ur assumption of wat he WUD hve done....bt i was just talking on wat ACTUALLY happened in the show..... 😊 and abt SS whu was always pointing his gun at the saxena family and shakti too....u remember THAT....bt its a surprise that u dont remember whu ALWAYS USED TO COME AND STAND BEFORE THAT GUN...???😃 that was krishna......😊 wenevr SS or shakti pointed their guns at shyam ji.....krishna used to come and stand in between.....to save their dignity....😊 evn wen SS once told him that he wud hve strangled the professor...krishna had protested and asked his own father nt to say anythng against his HONEWALA sasur...... i cn give u video links if u want to watch...😊

I actually saw that scene walkingly.....so I shared . But I am still convinced that Pratigya was forced for this marriage whether by krishna or someone else .... if she would have married happily with krishna then she would have given him permission to touch her ...... finally pratigya is not happy with him that's all.....
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: bhulp2010

I have been following Pratigya religiously since I started watching it two months ago. During a weekend I caught up with the story on IF and youtube since the beginning. And after watching the whole series so far, I feel, in my view and opinion, that Krishna and not Pratigya actually has been the victim in the storyline. He has been a victim of the indifference- from his wife Pratigya and of the taunts from his family.

Let me put forward how and why do I feel so (before I start to get brickbacks).

But kindly allow me to ask few questions first.

Did Krishna beat Nitin?

Did Krishna kidnap Pratigya?

Did Krishna write Pratigya's name on the wall outside the Saxena household?

Did Krishna know that Pratigya wore the pink saree that he had gifted to her not as a symbol of her love for him but for the only reason that she wanted to meet him and explain to him her side?

I am sure every member on the forum knows the answers to these questions as much as I do.

Now let us get to the Kriya relationship after the marriage. Krishna married Pratigya for his love for her, though Pratigya had her own reasons and motive to do so. Now if we go to the meaning of a marriage, we see several definitions, theories, several meanings (hope I've used the right word) of marriage, but above all the other things- the main meaning and purpose of a marriage is establishing sexual relationship between two individuals who are married. Of course knowing each other, understanding each other and respecting each other in a marriage is also very important, and that comes with time. But overall marriage is for procreation. I am sure you will agree with me that sexual gratification is one of the important needs of a human being and thus the social institute of marriage has been established in all cultures, religions, communities for that purpose. Imagine a world without MARRIAGE.

Coming back to the character of Krishna, he has been denied of it. What say?

I know it has been a long post. Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to read it. I have no intentions of hurting any feelings, sentiments. However, if you think I have crossed a line, kindly bring it to my notice for I never cease to learn.



Just like you even I started watching Pratigya quite late ...... So even I am doing some catch up ..

Just went through your post .....and was Un-surprised by your staunch support of Krishna...but your presentaion was a surprise !!! 😊


You have posed so many Q's ......First tell me ,Is pratigya a God ??No,Na !! then how will she know that Krishna has not done this things when Angad went to so much trouble to implicate Krishna in this acts .....and not only that she witnessed his rude and crass behavior first hand during the time of her engagement !! ....So Pratigya's Aversion to Krishna stems from the premise that Krishna did indeed do all these things .


As for Marriage !! Marriage does not mean automatic license for "Sexual Relationship" ...and for your information one does not need Marriage to indulge in Sexual Relationship ,It just requires two consenting Adults ...Marriage is essentially about Companionship , being an emotional anchor ,a stable support ,a truthful friend to your spouse !! Marriage is staying with stranger discovering his likes,dislikes ,views and opinions ...learning to accept them ,able to disagree ,and if his/her views are directly threatening her/his individuality ....explaining your views ,and your threat perception and getting him to change/adopt less rigid views .... or learning to reconcile with your lot !!

So in this serial we have 3 Marriages ...

Shakthi-Kesar ....Kesar has reconciled to her fate

Komal - Adarsh - both are aware of the problems created by difference in their opinion and are working towards solving it ...


Pratigya-Krishna ....Pratigya is not reconciling and is aware of the issues and is willing to solve...but unfortunately Krishna is not willing to give an ear ...forget giving an ear !!he does not even acknowledge the problem ....Result : a cold war !!


when there is a lack of emotional connect between the two ...,how do you expect Pratigya to welcome him in her bed ??

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: limits

coming to the after-marriage tracks - Plz, lets NOT forget that KriYa marriage is UNLIKE any normal arranged or love marriages!!! and love!!!

hi...limit... i just read the first para of your second post after marriage cuz i do't bother about what happened before marriage i belive in let bygones be bygones, i don't like people brood about past and make their present life hell.
so i chose post marriage para......i just read first para (pl don't laugh at me)and thought of sharing my view. the marriage rituals are same for all marriage whether it is normal,arranged or love marriages!!!please tell me do hindu religion have different rituals for different type of marriage?😕
i agree krishna also did not follow his marriage oath but i can give him excuse cuz he don't know the meaning of rituals, but pratigya knows the meaning of rituals and she also knows the meaning of marriage.if a person makes mistake un knowingly we can excuse him,if a person makes mistake by knowingly i think he don't deserve any excuse.
more over krishna did not say i will not tell lie in front of god,but pratigya after taking two to three hours oath in front of agni/god now she is acting smart and letting she can't tell lie.in front of the same god she told krishna that you never supported me,you always stood beside the people who abused me...is it true????😕😕😕
PS:if you think just by reading first two lines of your post it is not fair to comment please neglect my post😊.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: shumi.

hi...limit... i just read the first para of your second post after marriage cuz i do't bother about what happened before marriage i belive in let bygones be bygones, i don't like people brood about past and make their present life hell.
so i chose post marriage para......i just read first para (pl don't laugh at me)and thought of sharing my view. the marriage rituals are same for all marriage whether it is normal,arranged or love marriages!!!please tell me do hindu religion have different rituals for different type of marriage?😕
i agree krishna also did not follow his marriage oath but i can give him excuse cuz he don't know the meaning of rituals, but pratigya knows the meaning of rituals and she also knows the meaning of marriage.if a person makes mistake un knowingly we can excuse him,if a person makes mistake by knowingly i think he don't deserve any excuse.
more over krishna did not say i will not tell lie in front of god,but pratigya after taking two to three hours oath in front of agni/god now she is acting smart and letting she can't tell lie.in front of the same god she told krishna that you never supported me,you always stood beside the people who abused me...is it true????😕😕😕
PS:if you think just by reading first two lines of your post it is not fair to comment please neglect my post😊.




I completely Agree with you Shumi Dii 😃 👏 👏
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Posted: 15 years ago
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All this is fine.Krishna being a victim or a stubborn overgrown baby - a favouriet debate with any person watching the serial faitfuly. The focal point that most people forget is it is not at all easy to live with people who are brought up like Krishna. Money, power and caste highhandedness is a deadly combination when it mixes with a total disregard for education. Krishna here in the serial looks glamorous so viewers fall for him. In real life people like Krisna are certainly are not so glamorous and it takes a lot of guts to stand against them. About Pratigya- she is tha actual victim.Afterall Indians are used to seeing their women being sacrificed in daily lives and bearing the brunt of all in the name of family honour that it is easy to say she is wrong again. Krishna is not a victim of Pratigya's neglect but a victim of his father's upbringing.Think about that.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Hi Shumi! Ohk! Beware! Its gonna be a bit looonnnngggg!!!😉😆

Originally posted by: shumi.

hi...limit... i just read the first para of your second post after marriage cuz i do't bother about what happened before marriage i belive in let bygones be bygones, i don't like people brood about past and make their present life hell.
If u had read my first para, ie. b4 marriage comment, u would have known that I LOVED Krishna as much as I love Pratigya, b4 marriage, ie. I've accepted his mistakes bcoz they were mainly due to misunderstandings created by Angad!!!
U know, I agree somewhat with the phrase in pink-font... Yes, the past should not be brooded upon and its a lot easier and better for the present and future to forget about the past!!! However, NOT ALL kinds of pasts are easy to forget - no matter how much we believe in such ideologies!!!
For e.g. A girl fails a semester, now she can either brood about it and fail the next semester as well OR stop thinking about the past and study harder to pass the next semester... BUT, suppose a girl is sexually assaulted - NOW u tell me, is it as simple to forget about it as it is to forget about the failed semester??? I dont think it is - coz, failing a semester is a mental stress where as being sexually assaulted is both a physical and mental trauma which weakens one's heart or turns it into ice... Yes, Pratigya's situation is not THAT extreme, but its still much closer to a trauma than a stress...
Krishna is going through a stressy situation where as Pratigya is suffering from mental and physical trauma!!! And I think she will need a long time to forget and carry on with her life normally, BUT guess wat??? Krishna is sooo NOT helping her to forget by physically abusing her and forcing himself on her - just adding to her list of other agonies, so, how is Pratigya expected to forget the past when she is still suffering similarly in the present?
so i chose post marriage para......i just read first para (pl don't laugh at me)and thought of sharing my view. the marriage rituals are same for all marriage whether it is normal,arranged or love marriages!!!please tell me do hindu religion have different rituals for different type of marriage?😕
Ok! ME will not laugh at u BUT the prob. is, since u dint read it completely, u misunderstood/missed my point and got urself all 😕,😉...
I dont know nything about hindu religion, other than wat I saw on tv, and honestly speaking, I dont really know much about marriage itself!!! Everything I said are my expectations from a marriage and what I think of marriage and wat I saw between my parents; my sister and my brother-in-law; and my other relatives or friends - thanks to Allah, none of them were as unfortunate as Pratigya!!!
When I brought up arranged or love marriage, it was NOT to differentiate between the rituals of different kinds of marriage BUT to emphasise on the FACT that UNLIKE a FORCED Marriage, these types of marriages atleast have the wishes and happiness of the parents' or the girl's or both... And so there is NO point in thinking about how normal couple consummated after marriage... Coz, these couples are either strangers or lovers who either dint have nything to do with each other or were in love with each other!!! Where as, its TOTALLY different in case of KriYa...
i agree krishna also did not follow his marriage oath but i can give him excuse cuz he don't know the meaning of rituals, but pratigya knows the meaning of rituals and she also knows the meaning of marriage.if a person makes mistake un knowingly we can excuse him,if a person makes mistake by knowingly i think he don't deserve any excuse.
So, are u sort of, saying something like - if Krishna commits a murder, he is excusable coz he dint know the meaning of murder BUT if Pratigya commits the same murder, she is expected to be punished coz she commited the murder, knowing wat it means??? Well, I think, its being biased and excusing Krishna WONT make him LEARN the meaning of rituals in nyways, coz he will most probably think that he is RIGHT, as usual! Where as, NOT excusing it and punishing him similarly would atleast make him realize that commiting a murder, whatever its meaning is, is WRONG!!!
Sure, Pratigya knows the meaning of rituals and marriage and thats why I said in one of our prev. discussions that Pratigya wont be behaving like she does with Krishna, if she were married to Nitin!!! BCOZ, Nitin dint do NY such thing to Pratigya as Krishna did and is still doing to her - which does NOT make it easy on her to accept Krishna... Basically, Pratigya's behaviors are mere REACTIONS to the way Krishna behaves/acts with/towards her!!!
U see, I dont really understand HOW exactly some other members blame Pratigya other than making a mountain out of a mole-hill, BUT ever since I read ur last reply to one of my comments, I atleast understand WHY U blame Pratigya COZ, u said, u would like to change ur self if u were in Pratigya's shoes AND I really cant judge u for that thought of urs coz, its ur thought and belief which happens to be different from mine...😉
more over krishna did not say i will not tell lie in front of god,but pratigya after taking two to three hours oath in front of agni/god now she is acting smart and letting she can't tell lie.in front of the same god she told krishna that you never supported me,you always stood beside the people who abused me...is it true????😕😕😕
Ohk Shumi! I just watched that episode and I dint hear Pratigya saying that Krishna NEVER supported her;
What she says is, 'hum tumhari wajah se be-izzat hotey rehtey hai, aur tum humara nahin, unn be-izzat karney walon k saath kharey rehtey ho, unka saath dete ho' - I think wat it means in English is, 'I am being insulted bcoz of u, and u dont stand by me but with the ones who r insulting me, u support them!' So, HOW exactly is that saying Krishna NEVER supported her???😕 I thought she was talking about the current incident, where, even after watching her being insulted Krishna did not support her and insisted that she is lying, along with his father and family!!! So, I dont really think Pratigya was lying... I guess, thats wat a different POV means!!!😆
PS:if you think just by reading first two lines of your post it is not fair to comment please neglect my post😊.
Awww Shumi! I am really glad that u even read and reply back to my comments, without being disrespectful to my thoughts even when u disagree with and even though u dont like reading long comments...

I completely understand if u decide to not read this lengthy and tiresome comment which u wont probably even agree with BUT I really hope that my comments dint offend u coz, lately, people have been thinking that me is making the member to whom I reply into an idiot. And I was like 😲😲😲😆
Plz, believe me when I say that I dint have ny such intention and if by mistake I did come out as that, let me know so that I can avoid using such sentence or term that makes people misunderstand!!!😊
Edited by limits - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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well said 👏, i totally agree with you. krishana has been suffering alot without any reason. i loved your post.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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@limit...yaar...after reading your post i am like......seriously

yaar...i can't answer you in one single stoke...can try to answer in instalment😃
my today's instalment:
I dont know nything about hindu religion, i too don't know much about hindu religion.but as a ff writer(i have written 4 long ffs) i did little bit of research on the net about hindu marriage rituals and the significance of it😃. other than wat I saw on tv, and honestly speaking, I dont really know much about marriage itself!!! tho you are not married!😲 😃Everything I said are my expectations from a marriage and what I think of marriage and wat I saw between my parents; my sister and my brother-in-law; and my other relatives or friends - true our surroundings, relatives and friends more importantly parents influence us😊
thanks to Allah, none of them were as unfortunate as Pratigya!!! Ahamdulillah😃
after reading this i came to know that you are a muslim😃😲.i am glad to say that i too follow Islam and i am proud of my religion but i give due respect other religions too😃.
I atleast understand WHY U blame Pratigya COZ, u said, u would like to change ur self if u were in Pratigya's shoes
omg! you have a very great memory👏 👏 👏 i remember telling these words long before,i never remember that was to you!😲 you still remember it!!!!👏...ek mai hun,by the time i read your last para i forget what i read in the first para...😆
Edited by shumi. - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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🤣 @ replies in instalments!!! Oh God, Shumi! U r too much!!!🤣
Lolzzz.. U thought it right - me is not married!!!
Oh! U see, one of my friend's name is Shumi, so the first time I saw ur name I thought u might be Bengali and Muslim, later I realized u r not and I dint give much thoughts about religion... So, me is a little bit surprised as well to know that u r a Muslim!!!😃 And I dont have nything against other religions either!😉
Thanx about the memory-thing!😆 I usually remember stuff that I like or that makes a difference in my thoughts... And wat u said in ur reply really made it clear for me as to WHY u dont support Pratigya's actions and I really dont like judging other's personal views, just coz it happens to be different from mine and that too, for a fictional character!!!😉
Will be waiting for ur next instalment,😆 ! But hey, dont feel pressurized about it and take ur time, ie. if u want to reply or r in the mood to write loonggg comments!!!😊
Edited by limits - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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MOD's Note: Please don't make personal attacks on other memebrs. It is against IF CoC. Stick to the discussion & serial without bringing members' personal life & values in between.

Thanks!

Pratigya Dev Team
Edited by Manasi_16 - 15 years ago

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