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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: limits

Hey Shumi! No prob. dear!!!😊 AND I think I know wat ur talking about coz I sort of remember we had a discussion about that film!!!😉😆 omg! you rememner that!😆😲...BUT, I think that hero's situation was different from Krishna's - coz he was a complete bad guy and v. close to an animal and was NOT in love with the girl!!! exactly...more over he doesn't know that irl whom he did so...

Krishna however, claimed to be in love with Pratigya true...that is what hurts the most...and when he stopped forcing himself on her during the honeymoon night, it gave me the feeling that his love is true and he is unaware of his true feelings and there is still a trace of a decent human in him... BUT ever since his super-floppy lie, i hate that track...and i don't like pratigya supporting him either...girr😡
he looks more like a coward to me and he confirmed that he actually is a weak man by going back on his Thakur promise he made to Pratigya and forcing himself on her for the second time!!! i agree...but i think even pratigya failed him to handle him...what i was expected is at least she should have try to became a good friend of him...and explained why she cannot consummate her marriage in a better...even if he don't understand she should have done that...there were many scenes where krishna was polite with her.she should have tried to use those times in a positive way and explain him the reason why she is indifferent with him...
I dont really remember, but can u tell me if the girl fell for the guy and her love changed him into a decent human or if the guy realized his mistake and the girl bcame understanding towards him and fell in love with him??? Really curious about it!!!😳😛
yaar...as far i am concern...love is a magic...it is a prayer, ...it is a power,it is a beautiful feeling...it can do wonders...no matter what it can be....
another point is...marriage is a pavithra rishta ...best relation.... u cannot compare any relation with husband and wife relation......i have seen girls dieing for their husband...for the sake of husband / love girls go against their parents...rape ka badi baat hai...still there are lot of girls like kesar in india...

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Hmmm... Shumi, I know its ur POV and I really respect it!!!
BUT, I still have to disagree when u say Pratigya is supporting him - she is NOT supporting Krishna and she has been trying her best to make him understand that its not the right thing to lie about such a big deal!!! I'm sure u noticed that after the honeymoon disaster, shockingly enough, Pratigya bcame a little bit sympathetic towards Krishna and so, unlike Krishna who doesnt give second thoughts b4 humiliating his wife in front of strangers, Pratigya is trying her best to NOT humiliate Krishna in front of his own family by going against his decision - I think, just for the sake of humanity and the fact that she will be blamed more than Krishna, no matter whose fault it was!!! She doesnt want to suffer the consequences of wrongs that she never committed and so she wants Krishna to clear up the misunderstandings and is trying desperately and begging him to realize wat he is doing is wrong!!!
YES u r right about the fact that she has failed in her attempts in handling Krishna BUT seriously, how can u expect her to be good friends with Krishna???😕 I mean, if being good friends was possible, I dont see how accepting Krishna as her husband is impossible!!!😆😆😆 AND, I think not wanting to consummate the marriage does not have ny kind of nice or friendly reasons behind it other than hatred or injustice or anger - which BTW can NOT be explained/expressed in a nice and good, friendly manner!!!
PLUS, Krishna is always polite b4 Pratigya starts with her reasons and explanations and professorayi which I think starts to make sense to Krishna and so, it gets on his nerves and he loses his temper!!!
I completely agree with u that marriage is a sacred relation and if Pratigya were married to Nitin, I can bet she would have respected that sacredness coz, the moment Krishna forced Pratigya into this marriage, the sacredness was lost into misunderstandings, anger and hatred!!!
BTW, the way u described love is very touching!!!👏👏👏
Edited by limits - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: limits

Hmmm... Shumi, I know its ur POV and I really respect it!!!

BUT, I still have to disagree when u say Pratigya is supporting him - she is NOT supporting Krishna and she has been trying her best to make him understand that its not the right thing to lie about such a big deal!!! I'm sure u noticed that after the honeymoon disaster, shockingly enough, Pratigya bcame a little bit sympathetic towards Krishna and so, unlike Krishna who doesnt give second thoughts b4 humiliating his wife in front of strangers, Pratigya is trying her best to NOT humiliate Krishna in front of his own family by going against his decision - I think, just for the sake of humanity and the fact that she will be blamed more than Krishna, no matter whose fault it was!!! She doesnt want to suffer the consequences of wrongs that she never committed and so she wants Krishna to clear up the misunderstandings and is trying desperately and begging him to realize wat he is doing is wrong!!!yep i agree...but she knows he is a stone headed...instead of repeatedly telling to a stone headed she should have accepted when guruma asked about her pregnancy in her earlier stage...now it is too late...we all know there is no appeal to guruma...even krishna would have shut his mouth in front of her...there i personally feel she failed...
YES u r right about the fact that she has failed in her attempts in handling Krishna BUT seriously, how can u expect her to be good friends with Krishna???😕 I mean, if being good friends was possible, I dont see how accepting Krishna as her husband is impossible!!!😆😆😆 AND, I think not wanting to consummate the marriage does not have ny kind of nice or friendly reasons behind it other than hatred or injustice or anger - which BTW can NOT be explained/expressed in a nice and good, friendly manner!!!
why can't she try to be his friend...after all she knows that she has to spend rest of the life with him.is she want to spent the whole life with haterate...if she think s it is her wrong desission...did she thought about the consequences of getting married to krishna...just she want to get rid of the present situvation.don't she know that what are all the rights husband has on his legat wife ..that shows her imaturity...phew...
PLUS, Krishna is always polite b4 Pratigya starts with her reasons and explanations and professorayi which I think starts to make sense to Krishna and so, it gets on his nerves and he loses his temper!!! that is only after the honey moon..till then he was trying his level best to be goody goody with her.that time she was not even ready to talk to him.she should have used those times....but she did not
I completely agree with u that marriage is a sacred relation and if Pratigya were married to Nitin, I can bet she would have respected that sacredness coz, the moment Krishna forced Pratigya into this marriage, the sacredness was lost into misunderstandings, anger and hatred!!! lol...this statement made me laugh😆...you mean only if you marry a good person marriage is a scared relation😆.so only for good person the oath you take in front of agni during marriage holds good? saath pehery and saath nibhane ka wachan is only for good person.if a guy is bad...then all those oath you taken in front of god is drama?..i don't think so.there is a saying 'kal aanaalum kanavan...pul aanaalum purushan...' it is a tamil saying means that 'even if your husban is a stone or grass...he is your husband '...yaar i think i did not transtale it properly.😆
any way let me try to explain in other way...i hope you may be knowing about the characters nalayini and madhavi(there are lot more).nalayini is the one who took her husband to prostitute house for the sake of his pleasure.that too that time her husband was ill.she put him in a basket, kept the basket on her head and went to the pros house...😡😲madhavi is the one who accepted her husband wholeheartedly after he returned back from a prostitute house ...after loosing all his assert...😲😡
ok...let me tell my own experience...i married a man whom i don't know,whom i don't like. my father arranger me to meet him. i did... again i did not like him but my father selected him.i said No to my father,but he was adamant...finally i agreed with broken heart.one sunday morning i got married to him,on the same evening directly from marriage hall they send me to sarural😡...i was shocked when i met my inlaws😲.it was such a crazy family...except my husband all are illiterate😆...can you imagine my position😲. my husband is the eldest of all he has four younder crazy grown up brothers. and the family back ground was just opposite to mine...still i made up my mind. i never know what type of person my husband was.still... from the very first day i stood beside my husband.my husband and my father don't get along.believe me i always supported my husband.imagine my parents condition😭.i am the only child for them😭.
today i am in canada just cuz of my husband.my father is dead against migrating to canada cuz he don't want his only child to go far away from them.but migrating to canada was my husbans's long term dream, as a wife i felt it is my duty to fulfill his dream.(waise bhi i hate this country canada...😡)
you know what? my father was right. last year he got heart attack and collapsed🤢😭. my husband tried his level best to send me to india. he tried all the means....yep i reached india after my dad's burial was over...😭,still i don't abuse my husband...
yep...even my husband has few grey shades...after all he is human.still i love my husband and he loves me too😛.as i supported him , he too supported me in front of my in laws especially with my mother in law.
now in canada the time is 11:58pm.my husband and chilren went to sleep.still i am sitting at my PC.just imagine if it is some other person i don't think he will allow his wife to sit till late night while he is sleeping alone in his bed room😆. my husband never says NO to me.cuz of this IF many time i have burnt the food😆... my husband laugh at my burnt food,when i drool over krishna he sits beside me and make fun of me.today when i told krishna raped pratigya...he again laughed at me...i was so mad at him and asked y? 😡he said...'i think here after you will stop drooling over krishna and drool over me...LOL....he is such a sweeto...😳😃
this is what my married life , my husband and wife relation. in my opinion whether you like your husband are not you should give due respect to his feeling... any way it all depens up person to person...😃

PS: yaar i can't believe that i can make such a long post😲. any way i will catch you tomorrow.it is too late for me now😃...good night...😃
Edited by shumi. - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@limit...by the time i made my longggggggggg...post you went off line...yaar...😆...that is i don't take the risk of making long post...girrrr😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: shumi.

PS: yaar i can't believe that i can make such a long post😲. any way i will catch you tomorrow.it is too late for me now😃...good night...😃

Awww Shumi!!! I'm soo sorry to have made u type this long post!!!
And dear, I never said or meant that marrying a 'good person' is the way of sacred marriage!!! Duh! I dont even know how good of a person Nitin is - ALL I know is Nitin is way better than Krishna and Pratigya's behavior towards Nitin would've been different NOT bcoz he might be a good person BUT bcoz Nitin never ever did nything close to wat Krishna did towards Pratigya... 😆 Sooo much for my attempt to keep my post short!!!😆 I was trying to say that its not like Pratigya wants to disrespect something as sacred as marriage, ONLY IF it wasnt for the way Krishna behaves towards her and makes it impossible for her to even try to understand him!!! Thats why I brought in Nitin as to say that Pratigya wont be behaving the way she does with Krishna if it were Nitin, even if she was NOT in love with Nitin, but I can bet she would have tried her best to accept Nitin and love him as her husband BUT Everything that Krishna did to her and her family, and all the misunderstandings and on top of that, Krishna's constant physical abuse - does NOT make it easy on Pratigya to put aside her past sufferings and try to understand Krishna as would have happened or expected from NORMAL couples!!! I hope I made myself clear...😳😊
I dont really think Krishna ever tried his level best to understand Pratigya... He has been hurting her constantly, in between standing up for her against his own family or protecting her from being slapped by his own brother. At that time, him being all goody goody made me believe that his love for her was true BUT later on, it bcame more like his selfishness to NOT understand how Pratigya feels and have his own way with/about everything!!!
And I really think he has always been nice and polite and calm BEFORE Pratigya starts accusing him of his crimes which makes him lose his temper!
I dont really know Nalayini or Madhavi BUT from wat u have said, I can guess that their situation is completely different from KriYa.
Thanx for sharing ur personal exp. 😊 BUT, ur marriage is DIFFERENT from Pratigya's and I dont even want to compare ur sweet (Yes, he does sound very sweet!😉😊) husband to Krishna coz I think that would be an insult to him!!! Urs was an arranged-marriage BUT Pratigya's was a forceful marriage. Ur parents must have seen something good about ur husband to have made u marry him BUT Pratigya's parents tried their best to stop the marriage... I dont mind Krishna having grey shades, coz I believe everyone does! BUT forcing himself on her is a sin and abusing once wife is psychotic and grave mistakes - NOT ny kind of grey shades! Krishna losing his temper when he almost chokes her during the wedding night is a grey shade but abusing her to make her love him is a sin!!! Lying is cowardly but I can take it as a grey shade BUT forcing himself on her to make the lie a truth, is again, a sin!
Thanx for taking ur time to type that long post!!! Guess whose air is rubbing off to u???😛😆😆😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: limits

oh! yaar...you came up with such a long post! 😲doesn't matter ...i read it.😊
Awww Shumi!!! I'm soo sorry to have made u type this long post!!!
And dear, I never said or meant that marrying a 'good person' is the way of sacred marriage!!! Duh! I dont even know how good of a person Nitin is - ALL I know is Nitin is way better than Krishna and Pratigya's behavior towards Nitin would've been different NOT bcoz he might be a good person BUT bcoz Nitin never ever did nything close to wat Krishna did towards Pratigya... 😆 Sooo much for my attempt to keep my post short!!!😆 not a bad attempt 😆 i wonder how could you type so much!😲😆I was trying to say that its not like Pratigya wants to disrespect something as sacred as marriage, ONLY IF it wasnt for the way Krishna behaves towards her and makes it impossible for her to even try to understand him!!! Thats why I brought in Nitin as to say that Pratigya wont be behaving the way she does with Krishna if it were Nitin, even if she was NOT in love with Nitin, but I can bet she would have tried her best to accept Nitin and love him as her husband BUT Everything that Krishna did to her and her family, and all the misunderstandings and on top of that, Krishna's constant physical abuse - does NOT make it easy on Pratigya to put aside her past sufferings and try to understand Krishna as would have happened or expected from NORMAL couples!!! I hope I made myself clear...😳😊 fine...let me think in this way... if i am in pratigya's position...how i will react? first and fore most thing i will not marry a person like krishna, that too just cuz he troubled me and my family, i will better live whole life as kuwaari.ok i have to think about my siblings so i decided to marry...when i decided to marry krishna that too to teach a lesson i should be knowing that consummating marriage is the major part in married life,without consummation the marriage rituals are incomplete.that is why even in this 21st century parents arrange for first night after consulting pandit for shub muhaarth.don't i have the sense that how long i can keep away from a physically strong man that too he is going to be my legal husband and i has to live with him within four wall rest of my life.withot thinging about it if i marry him them i am a fool.
more over i should be knowing that men are more aggressive with respect to sex than women. if my younger sister (arushi)can know so much about married life at least i should be knowing this .the consequence i should have expected while i decided to marry him.so if at all i am in pratigya's position i would not have behaved like pratigya... trying to keep my in laws happy without caring my husband's happiness.in-laws came cuz of husband, if i don't care about my husband's feeling why should i care about my in-lwas.as i said in my other post arushi is one reason for krishna's todays behaviour, pratigya is another reason for his today's behaviour. she gave room for him to force on her. i agree krishna was in his worst behaviour today, but kahin na kahin pratigya ka fault bhi hai.blaming one side without looking in to other side is not fair.
I dont really think Krishna ever tried his level best to understand Pratigya... He has been hurting her constantly, in between standing up for her against his own family or protecting her from being slapped by his own brother. At that time, him being all goody goody made me believe that his love for her was true BUT later on, it bcame more like his selfishness to NOT understand how Pratigya feels and have his own way with/about everything!!!
forget about him. he is illiterate ,gunda what ever ...we cannot expect good things from him.what about pratigya? is she even try to make him happy as a wife except making the bed and taking his close...this things piyassiya can also do.no need for him to marry pratigya...if sex is his only intention again no need for him to marry her.
And I really think he has always been nice and polite and calm BEFORE Pratigya starts accusing him of his crimes which makes him lose his temper! yep...that was the time she should have used it to make the things clear but she didnot...why?.
I dont really know Nalayini or Madhavi BUT from wat u have said, I can guess that their situation is completely different from KriYa. certainly in different situation but very much worst than pratigya,still they loved their husband, that is why their names are in the history, we study about them and we write about them in our exams.
Thanx for sharing ur personal exp. 😊 BUT, ur marriage is DIFFERENT from Pratigya's and I dont even want to compare ur sweet (Yes, he does sound very sweet!😉😊) husband to Krishna coz I think that would be an insult to him!!! Urs was an arranged-marriage BUT Pratigya's was a forceful marriage.initially she was forced ultimately she made up mind to marry... Ur parents must have seen something good about ur husband to have made u marry him true...during that time i was just thinking about my friends, i want my husband to be my lala land prince...😆 ,but the very next moment i married him i stood with him without even knowing whether is is good or bad man.BUT Pratigya's parents tried their best to stop the marriage...WHY? when their daughter is ready to marry him to teach a lesson why they should stop her,they are educated, they should be knowing the consequences of stopping the marriage...then why? more over their golden son adarsh commited to komal...don't they think about her while they tried to stop the marriage. I dont mind Krishna having grey shades, coz I believe everyone does! BUT forcing himself on her is a sin and abusing once wife is psychotic and grave mistakes - NOT ny kind of grey shades! Krishna losing his temper when he almost chokes her during the wedding night is a grey shade but abusing her to make her love him is a sin!!! Lying is cowardly but I can take it as a grey shade BUT forcing himself on her to make the lie a truth, is again, a sin! i agree today he crossed all the limits...what i want to tell is ...you have to see other side of him and his feelings and opposite person(pratigya's) behaviour towards him. may be according to pratigya and you , pratigya is right ,but may not be for krishna.we cannot expect every one to think as we think isn't it?
Thanx for taking ur time to type that long post!!! Guess whose air is rubbing off to u???😛😆😆😆 i know yaar...that is y i don't peep in to long posts...😆 some how i got trapped in to your post...😆

finally what i want to conclude is for today's krishna's behaviour pratigya herself is responsible( credit goes to arushi too) in addition to all those literacy, family back up of krishna etc etc , that does not mean i am justifying krishna's act.NO...if krishna did so, root cause is pratigya, for certain extent if not completely.
according to my brought up,my back ground, my literacy, even if i would have got a husband like krishna ...trust me i would have respected his feeling especially his physical feelings , after all he is my husband, no matter whether i love him or not, this is what by brought up, this is what my character.even though i hate him i would not have showed my hate rate on his face. instead of trying to change krishna i would have tried to change my self, try to reduce my hate rate and try my level best to love. my literacy says 'bygones be bygones never brood over the past.by going on brooding about the past i am making my present life hell. god has given the memory to forget the bad things and keep the good things in . not viceversa. we should know to move on in our life....' for sure i would have followed my literacy😃
but you may be thinking in different way.your literacy might have thought you different things...fine i cannot force my thoughts on you right?😃 hope still you are not convinced😆.no matter 😊...for get about it and move on to the other thread😃
PS: yaar i am not at all supporting krishna's today's act.i am dead against it.😡
Edited by shumi. - 15 years ago
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coming to the main point i do agree with topicstarter that komal is stronger character than pratigya
period
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Pratigya does neither...she does everything for Krishna but sleep with him
sorry girl, i don't like this line at all, what are you saying, to be a good wife she needs to sleep with him???
i think i get what you are trying to say that she shouldn't be doing all the wife duties if she doesn't accept this marriage, but i don't think she should be ok with sleeping with him
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I dont think I've ever seen a movie or ny story or situation thats similar to this one but I cant really understand or like the girl who after being r***d falls in love with the r**ist!!!

Unfortuntely I have read around 10 books which are historical romances in which the heroine gets raped by the hero! And after raping her, the girl eventually falls in love with him and the hero somehow in his twisted mind loves her too. Other cases it shows that whilst the hero is raping her, the heroine finds it quite pleasurable! How disgusting is that?!

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Originally posted by: siinnce.09

I dont think I've ever seen a movie or ny story or situation thats similar to this one but I cant really understand or like the girl who after being r***d falls in love with the r**ist!!!

Unfortuntely I have read around 10 books which are historical romances in which the heroine gets raped by the hero! And after raping her, the girl eventually falls in love with him and the hero somehow in his twisted mind loves her too. Other cases it shows that whilst the hero is raping her, the heroine finds it quite pleasurable! How disgusting is that?!


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