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Posted: 15 years ago
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I have to disagree with you sorry...first off at the end of the day you pointed out that 'this is the story of every other woman in India,' but it doesn't make it the right story or a good story. So if someone who is pressured to marry someone else than fine...but doesn't mean they have to ever subject themselves to martial norms.
Also Prats was forced to marry Krishna by him, not even by her parents, so she has every right to ignore him after all he did. You cannot force someone to talk to you, and you cannot force someone to try to build a bond...if they don't its too bad, but by putting all these martial labels on them Krishna is not in the right either.
So he just grabbed her (by the neck which I think is considered choking and grabbed her arm.) Abuse is abuse no matter what. I worked at a woman's abuse clinic once and some of their stories were very mild abuses, but its not the abuse its the concept...so he pulls her hair (which hurts!) because she wont make love to him...so he throws her as well...its the fact that a man turns a woman in to a submissive position in order to gain power, and has a mind set that he has a right to her body etc.
Also no it is not wrong for Krishna to want a baby...but not when the girl is not ready. Also it is def. not right for him to lie that they are having a baby, and threaten her to keep her mouth shut (yes because most woman would love being threatened by their husband and warm up to him.)
Its not about love and trying to build a bond here...before that it is about ethics and showing basic humanity towards others which Krishna still needs to learn. It isn't because now we are married we must...NO means NO, it doesn't matter that she is his wife and should give him a chance, she doesn't want to....and in a democratic country then the civil freedom of every person to do what they want should be respected.
Don't get me wrong, I love Krishna's depth etc. and am a Kriya fan :). Just my opinion.
Edited by CanadianAddict - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nalwala

Just like to point certain facts out:

I'd like to clear one fact b4 I continue - ME is definitely NOT a Krishna-Hater!!!😊
Pratigya hates Krishna for the things he actually has never done to her & her family
I'm wondering if I should make a list or just state a few facts that u seem to be missing or may be u dont want to think of those as facts!!! List is easier for me! So, here I go:-
1. Krishna was the ONE to mess up Pratigya's engagement with Nitin and humiliated her and her parents in front of her fiance's parents!!!
2. Krishna was the ONE to threaten Pratigya to kill off Nitin if she is marrying him willingly!!!
3. Creepad beats up Nitin and guess why in the world would she even think that Creepad who stopped bothering her after the sorry-note-signature-mess was the one to beat up Nitin instead of Krishna who recently threatened to kill Nitin!!!
4. Krishna was the ONE to scheme with Creepad and made the police arrest Adarsh, who happens to be Pratigya's brother!!!
5. Krishna made his parents agree to the marriage and then, SS got along with Krishna and insulted and pressurized Pratigya and her parents to agree to the marriage.
6. Krishna points a gun at Shyam Saxena, who happens to be Pratigya's father who was trying desperately to stop the marriage!!!
7. Creepad kidnaps Pratigya and guess why she even thinks it was Krishna who did so - the tattoo of her name on Krishna's hand which she saw during the chaos of her engagement with Nitin - she doesnt know nyone else who has the tattoo of her name on his hands other than Krishna, who BTW, even after the rejections from Pratigya's family, told them confidently that he is gonna marry her, no matter wat and they will have to bring the proposal, one way or another!!!
Pheww...Out of the 7 listed blunders, 5 were done directly by Krishna and 2 were by Creepad but even in these 2, Krishna was indirectly the reason why Pratigya believed him to be the culprit in the first place!!!
Still want to say, Pratigya hates Krishna for things he actually havent done??? Well, go right ahead!!!šŸ˜†
BUT after the honeymoon fiasco, even Pratigya's hatred towards Krishna has gone down quite a lot and I think, she has been quite sympathetic towards him!!! (Even if I wanted her to ignore him until he realizes his wrongs!) Cant u see the difference in her behavior towards Krishna b4 and after the honeymoon disaster??? I think its quite obvious that she does NOT hate him as much she did b4 the disaster!😊 Duh! She even told him that she trusts his words completely!!! Wat kind of hatred do u see in that??? But just coz her hatred is vanishing slowly, doesnt mean it has to be replaced by undying love and respect for the person she hated a few days ago... She needs time to see that Krishna is worth her love but unfortunately, Krishna is too much into his own antics which only makes her more angry at him!!!
Krishna could have raped her that nite but he didnt...so no question of marital rape
I'd like to DISAGREE coz the Krishna who 'could have' raped Pratigya is NOT the Krishna we love or not I love, atleast!!! No matter wat his background or upbringing is, I loved Krishna bcoz of his honest love for Pratigya and so, even if I was scared to think that he is capable of doing so - just like Pratigya told him, I also believed that he wont do ny such thing and he DID NOT!!! BCOZ he COULD NOT have raped Pratigya seeing that she was hurt and crying and disgusted by him for forcing himself on her!!! Do u think he stopped bcoz he cared too much about his 'mardangi' being hurt??? Well then, instead of punishing her by raping her and proving his so-called disgusting 'mardangi', why the hell did he stop??? BCOZ he COULD NOT continue with it!!! Bcoz he cares about her waayyy more than he cares about his 'mardangi' - Only, he himself is unaware of this fact!!!šŸ˜† Right! How do I know then? Well, coz I am desperately trying to love/like Krishna and his love for Pratigya is the only honest thing about him that makes me have patience and continue to like him, šŸ˜‰šŸ˜†!!!
Tell me, WHAT reason did Krishna have to stop, other than that he loves Pratigya so he COULD NOT have raped her???
Krishna never hit her.....just pushed her & held her arm tight (he was wrong at doing that)
Me is glad that u know he was wrong at doing so!!!😃 Well, wat Shakti or SS does is the WORST and wat Krishna does is LESS WORSE!!! That is the difference between the 2 groups - Which makes Krishna LESS BAD than SS or Shakti, does NOT make him ny better than SS or Shakti!!! And me thinks there is a DIFFERENCE between being less bad and ny better, šŸ˜‰!
Pratigya till to this date has not discussed her issues with .
Krishna...MARRIED COUPLES TALK ABT THEIR PROBLEMS...THEY DEFINITELY DO NOT WITHHOLD PHYSICAL RELATIONS & PUT THEIR MARRIAGE AT A STAND STILL
up to this date..krishna always initiates conversation...pratigya just sits their with her hostile expressions.
Oh GREAT!!! Now its Pratigya's fault that Krishna fails to understand her reasons/issues and calls them 'professorayi' and walks out on her!!! Maybe normal married couples do talk about their problems coz they care about each other - SOOO NOT the case with KriYa!!! BTW, married couples also 'LISTEN' to each other's problems unlike Krishna who shuts her up or walks out on her or gets up to choke & abuse Pratigya, instead of listening to wat her problem is!!!
I dont think Pratigya is 'with-holding' physical relations, šŸ˜† - she does NOT want Krishna to touch her - PERIOD!!! Who would WANT to let the person - who kidnapped u or humiliated u and ur parent - touch u??? Now, just bcoz its natural and cultural that Krishna happens to be her husband and has the right to touch her - DOES NOT make it easy on a girl aka Pratigya to forget that the same husband humiliated her parents and ruined her self-respect!!! Did u forget - she doesnt even believe in this marriage nor does she care about Krishna being her husband - so, I dont really see her thinking to put the marriage at a 'stand still' or move ahead and live with the wrongs she had suffered, for the rest of her life!!!
how can she assume the roles of a bahu and devrani but not the role of a wife.
AGAIN, Pratigya does NOT care about her marriage or her husband or herself as the right and good wife, after wat her husband made her go through!!! Wat ever did her jethani do to her for her to NOT assume the role as devrani??? And even if SS or GTD insults her from head to toe, it IS Krishna who made her their bahu and its HER upbringing to respect the elders and so she assumes the role of the bahu and blames all her sufferings on Krishna who IS the reason she is in that house and had to go through the insults - so, I dont really see ny wrong in her blaming Krishna or NOT assuming her role as the wife!!!
whats the harm in a married man expecting to have a child from his wife.....eventually thats wht happens in all marriages ...rite? - I dont understand! Why r u generalizing the marriage between KriYa?šŸ˜• Their marriage is a complete unique case!!!! Yes, there is NO harm at all in a married man expecting a child - as long as that married man is NOT the same as Krishan who forcefully married the person he loves to make her his wife and whose wife agreed to marry him to teach him that even if he has succeeded in forcing her into the marriage, he can NOT force her into loving him - so where does the child come from without love or understanding between its parents??? Yes, it happens eventually, and I am sure, eventually Krishna will realize his wrongs and Pratigya will start to understand Krishna's honest feelings for her and eventually there will be a baby out of mutual love and understanding!!! So, wats the rush with Krishna and his disgusting mardangi rant???
krishna loves her dearly & has crossed the stage of door se dekh kar aahey bharna & the stage of emotional attachment...so he wants to move on to the next stage which happens to physical intimacy. - šŸ˜† Obviously, u dont CARE about how Pratigya is feeling or that she still has to understand Krishna b4 falling in love with him b4 being physically intimate with him!!!šŸ˜† All u seem to care about is Krishna and how he is feeling and his next stages of love/marriage-life!!! šŸ˜†
Like Pratigya's feelings does NOT matter at all just bcoz Krishna happens to love her dearly and abuses/insults her very dearly at the same time - which only makes it a lot easier on Pratigya to start to understand the guy why he abuses her and fall in love and be physically intimate with the person who humiliates her!!!
Its not krishna whose in a rush, its his parents who r putting all this pressure on him...evey human being at some point succumbs to the stress...so has he by making the wrong decision of saying that pratigya is pregnant. - First of all, I never really thought of Krishna as a character who cares about how or wat the others feel or think - would have been soo much easier on Pratigya if he were such a person!!! Like I said in other post, SS was also the one who was throwing all sorts of tantrums to NOT let Krishna marry Pratigya!!! Wat happened to his parents happiness and wishes when he went against them and forced them into agreeing for the marriage??? Well, the Krishna character that I got to know since his intro scene DOES NOT let NY ONE - be it SS, GTD, Shakti or Creepad - put pressure on him or force him or bully him, no matter wat the reason is!!! BUT his WRONG upbringing made him believe that consummating a marriage and controlling his wife is the proof of 'mardangi' and so Krishna gets all sensitive when SS brings up this matter - BUT this kind of thinking is COMPLETELY wrong and disgusting and NEEDS to be changed!!!
Yes, every one succumbs to stress at some point and yes, he had made the wrong decision by saying that Pratigya is infact, pregnant!!! But, wat is his so-called stress??? Its his family doubting his 'mardangi' and insulting him - which I think is disgusting and very much UNLIKE the Krishna I love who doesnt care about his mardangi in front of GTD, when he agrees to press his wife's legs!!! And he lies - alright, he made a mistake; YTH stop Pratigya from spilling the truth, then? COZ, he is sooo confident that wat he is doing is RIGHT and it will never get caught, since neither Pratigya nor him, will tell nyone the truth - soo not succumbing to stress BUT being plain stupid if he doesnt know that u cant hide being pregnant or NOT - unless he is cunning and has hidden motives - soo NOT the Krishna I love!!!
He loves her alot which is why he puts up with her crap, stands up for her against his family & everyone else who has a bad intention for her. - DUH!!! If Pratigya can put up with his and his family's craps WITHOUT ever loving him, WHY cant he put up with hers, since he does love her??? Oh, Pratigya doesnt even choke or abuse him when he humiliates her or calls her 'Eh' like a gunda BUT is kind enough to put aside her disgust and anger and hatred towards him and take care of him when he is hurt!!!
'Stands up for her against his family' - well its HIS family that is insulting the person HE loves - so WHY not stand up for HIS OWN love??? So, Pratigya has to feel grateful to him that he forced her into marrying him and make her live in a place where they insult her unreasonably and he does happen to do one right thing by protecting her from his own junglee family and so she should gratefully forget that he ever humiliated her and be physically intimate with him and give him a child and be another Kesar - just to show her gratefulness to him, right??? I DONT THINK SO!!!
& PLEASE PRATIGYA IS NOT THE 1ST WOMAN WHO HAS MARRIED AGAINIST HER WISHES, ITS THE STORY OF EVERY OTHER WOMAN IN INDIA...SO QUIT MAKING HER SOUND BECHARI. SHE'S LUCKY SHE ATLEAST HAS A SUPPORTIVE FAMILY WHO UNDERSTANDS HER SITUATION...MOST WOMEN ARE OPPOSED BY THEIR OWN PARENTS & FAMILY MEMBERS.
Really???😲😲😲 I mean, I know that arranged marriage is still very common, even in my country but is it really true that every other woman in India is married against her wishes??? I dont really want to think so!!! Unless u meant Arrange marriage = to Marrying against one's wish, then I have to disagree!!! I dont think arrange marriage is nything like marrying against one's wishes!!! Well, since I'm not soo sure wat u meant, I'll leave it at that!!!
Pratigya's family is supportive???šŸ˜• hmmm... I guess in a way they r supportive that they havent told Pratigya, 'U cant come back to ur maayka, no matter how badly u r treated at ur in-laws!!!šŸ˜† So, I agree! Pratigya is lucky to have such parents who atleast dont treat their daughters as an object to get rid of asap by marrying her off and say good-riddance!!!😔
Oh Plzzz... Just bcoz we r sympathizing with Pratigya does NOT mean we think of her as 'bechari'!!! Kesar is the bechari one, coz the poor thing doesnt even know that she is being wronged!!! NOT Pratigya!!! She knows she was wronged and she doesnt want to forget/forgive the person who wronged her!!! Now, just imagining wat GTD and SS will do to Pratigya after the truth is revealed (I'm sure, even u know that they r soo not gonna blame Krishna for ny of his wrong decision to lie ie. succumbing to the stress!)- if u feel like she is such a bechari to be soo wronged, then guess who other than Krishna is responsible for making her into a bechari for suffering the consequences of not her own but his lies!!! Then again, u can always blame Pratigya for not speaking up without caring about Krishna's warnings to her to not say nything to his family!!!šŸ˜†šŸ˜†šŸ˜†
I know it was long BUT ThAnX to those who cared enough to start reading and tHaNx A lOt to those who had the patience to read till the end!!!😃

Edited by limits - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nalwala

Just like to point certain facts out:

Pratigya hates Krishna for the things he actually has never done to her & her family. agreee
Krishna could have raped her that nite but he didnt...so no question of marital rape. thank god he stopped
Krishna never hit her.....just pushed her & held her arm tight (he was wrong at doing that)
thatsh way he is far better than Shakti😔
Pratigya till to this date has not discussed her issues with . yes, she should speak about the in justice she calims to happen with her
Krishna...MARRIED COUPLES TALK ABT THEIR PROBLEMS...THEY DEFINITELY DO NOT WITHHOLD PHYSICAL RELATIONS & PUT THEIR MARRIAGE AT A STAND STILL
up to this date..krishna always initiates conversation...pratigya just sits their with her hostile expressions. she doesnt reply back why she shates him
how can she assume the roles of a bahu and devrani but not the role of a wife.
whats the harm in a married man expecting to have a child from his wife.....eventually thats wht happens in all marriages ...rite?
krishna loves her dearly & has crossed the stage of door se dekh kar aahey bharna & the stage of emotional attachment...so he wants to move on to the next stage which happens to physical intimacy.
Its not krishna whose in a rush, its his parents who r putting all this pressure on him...evey human being at some point succumbs to the stress...so has he by making the wrong decision of saying that pratigya is pregnant. agreee
He loves her alot which is why he puts up with her crap, stands up for her against his family & everyone else who has a bad intention for her. agree. he always supports her
& PLEASE PRATIGYA IS NOT THE 1ST WOMAN WHO HAS MARRIED AGAINIST HER WISHES, ITS THE STORY OF EVERY OTHER WOMAN IN INDIA...SO QUIT MAKING HER SOUND BECHARI. SHE'S LUCKY SHE ATLEAST HAS A SUPPORTIVE FAMILY WHO UNDERSTANDS HER SITUATION...MOST WOMEN ARE OPPOSED BY THEIR OWN PARENTS & FAMILY MEMBERS.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nalwala

Just like to point certain facts out:

Pratigya hates Krishna for the things he actually has never done to her & her family.
Krishna could have raped her that nite but he didnt...so no question of marital rape
Krishna never hit her.....just pushed her & held her arm tight (he was wrong at doing that)
Pratigya till to this date has not discussed her issues with .
Krishna...MARRIED COUPLES TALK ABT THEIR PROBLEMS...THEY DEFINITELY DO NOT WITHHOLD PHYSICAL RELATIONS & PUT THEIR MARRIAGE AT A STAND STILL
up to this date..krishna always initiates conversation...pratigya just sits their with her hostile expressions.
how can she assume the roles of a bahu and devrani but not the role of a wife.
whats the harm in a married man expecting to have a child from his wife.....eventually thats wht happens in all marriages ...rite?
krishna loves her dearly & has crossed the stage of door se dekh kar aahey bharna & the stage of emotional attachment...so he wants to move on to the next stage which happens to physical intimacy.
Its not krishna whose in a rush, its his parents who r putting all this pressure on him...evey human being at some point succumbs to the stress...so has he by making the wrong decision of saying that pratigya is pregnant.
He loves her alot which is why he puts up with her crap, stands up for her against his family & everyone else who has a bad intention for her.
& PLEASE PRATIGYA IS NOT THE 1ST WOMAN WHO HAS MARRIED AGAINIST HER WISHES, ITS THE STORY OF EVERY OTHER WOMAN IN INDIA...SO QUIT MAKING HER SOUND BECHARI. SHE'S LUCKY SHE ATLEAST HAS A SUPPORTIVE FAMILY WHO UNDERSTANDS HER SITUATION...MOST WOMEN ARE OPPOSED BY THEIR OWN PARENTS & FAMILY MEMBERS.

I appreciate your viewpoint, but there are some parts I disagree with.
1. Not entirely true. He did break her engagement, stalk her and it lead to people thinking she was meeting guys before marriage. You know gossip
2. Krishna could have raped her yes true. But he did "attempt" it to some degree. Still pretty bad
3. True. But still strangled her now and then.
4. True. Married couples should talk and Pratigya needs to engage more. However she has tried to explain to him on some occasions she hates him for this reason, but he is adamant in not listening, and just goes on about how much he loves her rather than discussing the issue. Many times he cuts her of.
5. Well I am guessing the family did not directly force her to marry Krishna. Thus does not feel the same anger towards them. I am not saying this is the case, just a possibility.
6. True no harm in expecting a child from marriage. But given the context of her marriage, it can be understandable why she does not want to bear his child. Maybe some time in the future, who knows?
7. There is no doubt that Krisha loves her. But it should be mutual before becoming intimate.
8. Yeah true his family are putting stress on him. I understand him wanting his family to be happy, but how long can this lie last? He should of thought long-term.
9. No doubt he does love her.
I agree Pratigya is not the first woman to marry against her wishes. However this does not mean it is alright and we should not feel sorry for her. Forced marriages are wrong in my view, whether they happen in large quantities or small,
P.S. Half the things you mentioned are NOT facts, but just YOUR opinions/interpretation!
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Edited by c111 - 15 years ago
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well said šŸ‘, i agree with you....pratigya hates him without knowing the truth..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: c111

I appreciate your viewpoint, but there are some parts I disagree with.
1. Not entirely true. He did break her engagement, stalk her and it lead to people thinking she was meeting guys before marriage. You know gossip

He gatecrashed at her engagement but she still went through with it. Krishna threatened to beat up Nitin. Little did he know that Angad would act on it and do this day he still doesn't know it. He thinks Prats "uske liye sagaayi thodi". It was also Angad who planned and executed the kidnapping. Luckily he didn't take it any further bec' he is scared of Krishna.

2. Krishna could have raped her yes true. But he did "attempt" it to some degree. Still pretty bad
3. True. But still strangled her now and then.
4. True. Married couples should talk and Pratigya needs to engage more. However onshe has tried to explain to him on some occasions she hates him for this reason, but he is adamant in not listening, and just goes on about how much he loves her rather than discussing the issue. Many times he cuts her of.

She has never told Krishna specifically about her kidnapping or beating Nitin. She presumes he knows bec' he threatened to beat up Nitin and she saw her name tattooed on the hand that brought her food when kidnapped. She is in for a shock when the truth comes out. How much of Krishna's understanding and trust is she going to need then. She will be haunted by the "hate" speeches she gave him.
5. Well I am guessing the family did not directly force her to marry Krishna. Thus does not feel the same anger towards them. I am not saying this is the case, just a possibility.

She really only has a relationship with her sasural bec' of Krishna. How can she shun him and do the "naukarani" kind of stuff for him and say she sees "humara ghar" with the rest of them?
6. True no harm in expecting a child from marriage. But given the context of her marriage, it can be understandable why she does not want to bear his child. Maybe some time in the future, who knows?
7. There is no doubt that Krisha loves her. But it should be mutual before becoming intimate.

Right now he is going solo being in love. She is on the hate wagon.
8. Yeah true his family are putting stress on him. I understand him wanting his family to be happy, but how long can this lie last? He should of thought long-term.

They both should have thought of long-term. Did she really think she could go through her entire life hating him and living with the Tacurse. She is still very young, so she has decades ahead to look forward to.
What happens when she wants to have a child someday?
9. No doubt he does love her.
I agree Pratigya is not the first woman to marry against her wishes. However this does not mean it is alright and we should not feel sorry for her. Forced marriages are wrong in my view, whether they happen in large quantities or small,
P.S. Half the things you mentioned are NOT facts, but just YOUR opinions/interpretation!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I totally agree with you.
But as a newbie I want to tell you that you can write any topic in polite way. Not like this,
Krishna could have raped her that nite but he didnt...so no question of marital rape
It goes in violate rule.
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jug jug jiyo yaaar ... krishna haters ko muh tod jawaab diya hai .... KRISHNAAAAAAA IS DA BEST!
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Originally posted by: Nalwala

Just like to point certain facts out:

Pratigya hates Krishna for the things he actually has never done to her & her family.
Krishna could have raped her that nite but he didnt...so no question of marital rape
Krishna never hit her.....just pushed her & held her arm tight (he was wrong at doing that)
Pratigya till to this date has not discussed her issues with .
Krishna...MARRIED COUPLES TALK ABT THEIR PROBLEMS...THEY DEFINITELY DO NOT WITHHOLD PHYSICAL RELATIONS & PUT THEIR MARRIAGE AT A STAND STILL
up to this date..krishna always initiates conversation...pratigya just sits their with her hostile expressions.
how can she assume the roles of a bahu and devrani but not the role of a wife.
whats the harm in a married man expecting to have a child from his wife.....eventually thats wht happens in all marriages ...rite?
krishna loves her dearly & has crossed the stage of door se dekh kar aahey bharna & the stage of emotional attachment...so he wants to move on to the next stage which happens to physical intimacy.
Its not krishna whose in a rush, its his parents who r putting all this pressure on him...evey human being at some point succumbs to the stress...so has he by making the wrong decision of saying that pratigya is pregnant.
He loves her alot which is why he puts up with her crap, stands up for her against his family & everyone else who has a bad intention for her.
& PLEASE PRATIGYA IS NOT THE 1ST WOMAN WHO HAS MARRIED AGAINIST HER WISHES, ITS THE STORY OF EVERY OTHER WOMAN IN INDIA...SO QUIT MAKING HER SOUND BECHARI. SHE'S LUCKY SHE ATLEAST HAS A SUPPORTIVE FAMILY WHO UNDERSTANDS HER SITUATION...MOST WOMEN ARE OPPOSED BY THEIR OWN PARENTS & FAMILY MEMBERS.


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