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Manan

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Posted: 11 years ago

Was Buddha actually avtar of Narayan?

Because all Buddhist say NO.

Was actually it written in Purans before his birth in 6Th Century BC or after his highness Hindu religion took him as 9Th one?

Also Buddha was not totally agreed with Hindu rules & decisions

Where is written about all 10 avtars of Narayan & when ??

If in Purans it was written Buddha as 9Th one before his birth then it's fixed as he was avtar but if not & after his birth then it's wrong

10Th kalki is fixed & there's also Kalki Puran too.

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sherlock

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Posted: 11 years ago

There should be some sort of voice recording feature here on IF.

Now to answer what all topics you've touched in your post above, it requires writing a lengthy book almost, if it is to be answered in detail!!!

No way I'm going to type even 1% of that here!!!!

Yes, if there would have been some voice recording feature, like its there in What's App for example, yes, then it might have been possible.

By the way, what you mean by,

"after his highness Hindu religion took him as 9Th one?"

Actually, its to ask this question that I'm writing this post, SO will be pretty happy if you tell me what you meant by that.

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sherlock

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Posted: 11 years ago

One more query.

You said,

"Also Buddha was not totally agreed with Hindu rules & decisions"

Which ones he disagreed with? Do enlighten me.

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Manan

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Posted: 11 years ago

I know it's complicated & you can answer in 1 paragraph by summary type

After becoming great personality as Buddha in all over world, Hindu religion announced him as 9Th avtar or before his birth in Purans written about him already just like Kalki avtar????????

Also Buddha was not totally agreed to Hindu religion & also to Gita.If Krishna told Arjun that he must fight then For Buddha,it's not solution of fighting

In 8Th Century , Buddha religious was on high note in all over in India ...but Adi Shakarachary stopped it's spreading on over Hinduism.

I also heard Buddha did not mean in theory of Soul & Former birth...😉

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sherlock

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Posted: 11 years ago

The first thing I must tell you is that I too DON'T believe that Mahatma Buddha, ie Prince Siddharth son of King Shuddodhan, is an avatar of Shriman Narayan.

For me, mahatma Buddha is another saint in the ancient tradition of saints and God realized masters of India, who told some fairly simple things taken from Vedic Karm Marg, in a way in which, that is in terms so simple that anybody could understand them, and for that whenever I see his statue someplace, I bow my head, I pay my respect to him. And that's it. The Buddha of the Puranas as Avatar of Lord MahaVishnu has a slightly different story, which is told in the puranas.

So while for me Mahatma Buddha is no avatar of Lord MahaVishnu, however, I for my life couldn't understand that how anybody can reach the conclusion that Mahatma Buddha propounded a "new religion" which is somehow different from "Sanatan Dharma" (or Hinduism if you prefer that term).

Mahatma Buddha's eight parts of Sadhana, his eight Arya Ashtangmarg, or his four Arya Satya, CAN ANYBODY in this wide world explain to me how these are not included, how these are not very much not an integral part & parcel of, not a small sunset of

40 basic Tattvas of Sanatan Dharma, namely - Ahinsa, Satya, Astaya, Brahmacharya, Aparigrah, Shauch, Santosh, Tapp, Swadhaya, ishwar-Bhakti, Gyan, Vairagya, Nigrahya, Indriya-Daman, Titiksha, Shraddha, Kshama, Veerta, Daya, Tez, Saralta, Swarthya-Tyag, Aamanitva, Dambheenta, Aapeyshunta, Niskapatta, Vinay, Dhriti, Sewa, Satsang, Jap, Dhyana, Nirvaryta, Nirbhayta, Samta, Nirahankarta, Maitri, Daan, Kartavya-parayantaa & Shanti.

As for in which Puranas we get references to Buddha as an avatar of Lord narayan, its very much there because I've read it myself. However, can't tell you the names of specific Puranas where this story appears because all 18 or so Puranas are now one, single entity in my mind with no idea what is mentioned in which puran, and even this memory is fading with each passing day, and as of now, I've no intention of refreshing my memory because at least for the time being I'm through with Vedas and Puranas and Mahabharat and so on. The text of my life, the book of my being, is Ramayan.

However the story of Mahatma Buddha as an Avatar of Lard Narayan, which is given in the puranas, is quite different from the life story of Prince Siddharth who became Buddha, as I mentioned above. I remember the Puranic story of Lord Vishnu's Buddha Avatar quite well. If you wish, I can recount that Puranic story the next time I'm here.

I do want to say a bit about the other things you've mentioned in your post in relation to Lord Krishna as well as mahatma Buddha's supposed views on soul and so on, but time constraint compels me to leave now. If you can be a little patient, I'll respond to those points too, hopefully tomorrow. Please be patient.

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varaali

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Posted: 11 years ago

This was dealt in length here

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/buddha/3100457/the-9th-avatar-of-lord-vishnu

It was an interesting discussion.

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Manan

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sherlock
The first thing I must tell you is that I too DON'T believe that Mahatma Buddha, ie Prince Siddharth son of King Shuddodhan, is an avatar of Shriman Narayan.

For me, mahatma Buddha is another saint in the ancient tradition of saints and God realized masters of India, who told some fairly simple things taken from Vedic Karm Marg, in a way in which, that is in terms so simple that anybody could understand them, and for that whenever I see his statue someplace, I bow my head, I pay my respect to him. And that's it. The Buddha of the Puranas as Avatar of Lord MahaVishnu has a slightly different story, which is told in the puranas.

So while for me Mahatma Buddha is no avatar of Lord MahaVishnu, however, I for my life couldn't understand that how anybody can reach the conclusion that Mahatma Buddha propounded a "new religion" which is somehow different from "Sanatan Dharma" (or Hinduism if you prefer that term).

Mahatma Buddha's eight parts of Sadhana, his eight Arya Ashtangmarg, or his four Arya Satya, CAN ANYBODY in this wide world explain to me how these are not included, how these are not very much not an integral part & parcel of, not a small sunset of

40 basic Tattvas of Sanatan Dharma, namely - Ahinsa, Satya, Astaya, Brahmacharya, Aparigrah, Shauch, Santosh, Tapp, Swadhaya, ishwar-Bhakti, Gyan, Vairagya, Nigrahya, Indriya-Daman, Titiksha, Shraddha, Kshama, Veerta, Daya, Tez, Saralta, Swarthya-Tyag, Aamanitva, Dambheenta, Aapeyshunta, Niskapatta, Vinay, Dhriti, Sewa, Satsang, Jap, Dhyana, Nirvaryta, Nirbhayta, Samta, Nirahankarta, Maitri, Daan, Kartavya-parayantaa & Shanti.

As for in which Puranas we get references to Buddha as an avatar of Lord narayan, its very much there because I've read it myself. However, can't tell you the names of specific Puranas where this story appears because all 18 or so Puranas are now one, single entity in my mind with no idea what is mentioned in which puran, and even this memory is fading with each passing day, and as of now, I've no intention of refreshing my memory because at least for the time being I'm through with Vedas and Puranas and Mahabharat and so on. The text of my life, the book of my being, is Ramayan.

However the story of Mahatma Buddha as an Avatar of Lard Narayan, which is given in the puranas, is quite different from the life story of Prince Siddharth who became Buddha, as I mentioned above. I remember the Puranic story of Lord Vishnu's Buddha Avatar quite well. If you wish, I can recount that Puranic story the next time I'm here.

I do want to say a bit about the other things you've mentioned in your post in relation to Lord Krishna as well as mahatma Buddha's supposed views on soul and so on, but time constraint compels me to leave now. If you can be a little patient, I'll respond to those points too, hopefully tomorrow. Please be patient.

No problem...i will wait.

I want to read that story.

Also about soul ...Thanks a lot for wonderful response

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sherlock

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Proud-India

Also Buddha was not totally agreed to Hindu religion & also to Gita.If Krishna told Arjun that he must fight then For Buddha,it's not solution of fighting

Such conjectures along the lines of "what might have been" "what this or that historical figure would have done in this or that situation" are always dicey propositions.

Still, since you've mentioned such a proposition, all I'll say is that while I too can never visualize Mahatma Buddha becoming Arjun's charioteer in the battle of Dharma versus Adharma, still to project this further and say that Mahatma Buddha would DEFINITELY have preferred pandavas going back to forests quietly after Duryodhan refused to give them even that much land which can come under the tip of a needle in reply to Lord Krishna's proposal to give Pandavas five small villages, is stretching baseless conjectures a bit too far.

First thing, anybody who has actually read the complete Mahabharat will surely realize that Shri Krishna was no war monger. He did everything possible to avert the war, going as a peace messenger himself and telling Duryodhan to give only five villages to Pandavas. This after all that Duryodhan had done to Padavas (starting from poisioning & drowning Bheema to Laksha-Grah to disrobing Draupadi episode and so on & so forth). Further, Indraprasth was never ever of kauravas, they could have laid any sort of claim on Hastinapur ONLY, because Indraprasth was purely a new city which had come up only because of Pandavas efforts. Still Shri Krishna proposed Duryodhan to give only five VILLAGES, which he duly rejected.

If even after all this, had Shri Krishna suggested to Pandavas to go quietly back to forest and spend the rest of their life as hermits, he would have been himself destroying the Sanatan Dharma of which He is the Supreme Custodian. For if in the 40 basic Tattvas of His Dharma, "Ahinsa, Santosh & Kshama" are displayed prominently, then "Satya, Veerta, Tez and Kartavya-Parayanta" are displayed equally prominently.

So had Mahatma Buddha been there at that time, would he have DEFINITELY disapproved Pandavas efforts to get justice? Yes, Buddha would have never become Arjun's charioteer in a war, but would he had definitely asked them to go back to forest and spend there life as hermits?

I don't know, but then, neither does anybody else.

As for the story of Buddha Avatar of Lord Vishnu as given in Puranas, and Buddha's view on an "eternal soul",

Next time I'm here.

Promise.

Edited by sherlock - 11 years ago

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Debipriya

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Posted: 11 years ago

Thanks Varaali for posting the link of '9th Avtaar of Lord Vishnu' Thread. 😊

Here is another link about the same topic from 'Mytho Masti: Doubts and Discussions' Thread -

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/indian-mythology/1668804/indian-mythology-doubts-and-discussions?pn=3

- The discussion started with Lord Parashuram on page 2 , and later many more avtaars including Gautama Budda were also discussed (page 3 and 4), which may be of some help here 😊.

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_gReenheaRt_

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: Proud-India
Was Buddha actually avtar of Narayan?

Because all Buddhist say NO.

Was actually it written in Purans before his birth in 6Th Century BC or after his highness Hindu religion took him as 9Th one?

Also Buddha was not totally agreed with Hindu rules & decisions

Where is written about all 10 avtars of Narayan & when ??

If in Purans it was written Buddha as 9Th one before his birth then it's fixed as he was avtar but if not & after his birth then it's wrong

10Th kalki is fixed & there's also Kalki Puran too.

God

God is One!It is we,the human beings, who play with various names.

Just Read This.

Na dvitityo Na triyaschthurtho naapyuchyate|

N a panchamo Na shshtah sapthmo naapyuchyate|

Nashtamo Na navamo dashamo naapyuchyate|

Yagna yetham devamekavritham veda||

Sa sarvassai vi pashyathi yachha praanathi yachhana|

Tamidam nigatam sah sa yesha yeka yekavrideka yeva|

Ya yetham devamekavritham veda||

Atharva 13.4[2]19-20

There is no second God, nor a third, nor is even a fourth spoken of

There is no fifth God or a sixth nor is even a seventh mentioned.

There is no eighth God, nor a ninth. Nothing is spoken about a tenth even.

This unique power is in itself. That Lord is only one, the only omnipresent. It is one and the only one.

The entire world rests with him. He is "Yeshah yekah" i.e. only one. He is conscious, indivisible. He is Yekah yevah" Only one.

Brahma,Vishnu,Rudra,Jaganmata,Shiva,Devi,Eshwara,kala,Parameshwara/Parameshwari,Narayana,Vidhata

and others are different epithets for one and the same God.

Indra,Vayu,Agni,Varuna,Prithvi,Aakash,Graha,Upagraha,Nakshatra such Natural elements are gods form.

Even all the beings on earth,both animate(Humans,Animals...) and inanimate(Various Objects) are physical expressions of god.

Avatar

Traditionally, the word avatar is sometimes limited to few incarnations,sometimes limited to the different incarnations of Vishnu.But there is no limit to God's incarnations.He is called Vishnu in Hinduism,but he has various names in different religions.He is the same God(one and only one god) referred above.

Why don't we recognize ourself as an Avatar?

Because we just know the truth that we are god's manifestations but never experienced this truth!

Why we are unable to experience it?Because of our ignorance.Every Avatar is basically the formless god.We ordinary beings infact are also of the same formless god.But, it is overlaid by the effect of ignorance,which hides the truth that we are the God!

People have a misconception that Rama and Krishna or Dasavatara of Vishnu or certain incarnations are the only true manifestations of God.But in reality every totally liberated expression of god like Rama and Krishna that returns to the earth for sake of suffering humanity is an Avatar.

Examples?There are many as Sages,Kings,Yogis,Yoginis who are different in no way from God and Avatars like Rama and Krishna.(All these classifications were made by humans...but in reality their soul is one!i.e the supreme soul(God!)Various Avatars appear themselves in various places to carry out the missions allotted to them, but though they work in different places,they are, as it were, one. They work in unison under the common authority of the Almighty Lord and know full well what each of them is doing in his/her place, and supplement their work where necessary.

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