When the Damaru sounded 14 times-The Shiva Sutras that inspired Panini

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varaali

@varaali

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Posted: 12 years ago

Wow...I wrote about the Pancha Bhoota Linga Kshetrams in another thread and was very pleasantly surprised to see the same depicted in the serial.

A couple of days earlier, as a response to a query in the D & D thread, I had described how Mahadev played the damaru 14 times which inspired Panini to formulate the rules of Sanskrit grammar- and- imagine my surprise when I saw the same being referred to in today' s episode.

For those who may be interested, I will briefly describe what the story is. Those who already know- I invite you to share to share your opinions and views.

First of all let me clarify there are TWO TEXTS which go under the name "Shiva Sutras."

The first one is a set of religious / philosophical verses with deep spiritual insights which were revealed by Lord Shiva to Sage Vasugupta. This text forms the cornerstone for Kashmir Shaivism. Minakshi had posted long time back a thread on these verses. I am unable to locate that thread right now.

The Second text which goes by the name Shiva Sutras or Maheshwara Sutras (Sutrani - in Sanskrit) was revealed to Panini - the great Sanskrit grammarian to enable him formulate the rules of Sanskrit grammar.

Since the serial showed Lord Shiva playing the Damaru 14 times I am inclined to believe it is the second text the CVs may be referring to.

The story goes like this- Panini was attempting to compose and codify the rules of Sanskrit grammar in such a manner that it will withstand the ravages of time.

When he was in meditation, Lord Shiva appeared before him and played his damaru in a specific manner 14 times.

Panini- the genius that he was, understood all that Shiva wanted to tell him.

Panini captured the sounds of the damaru and translated them into syllables. From these sounds emerged the 14 syllables which provided Panini with the basis for formulating the rules of Sanskrit grammar.

These 14 verses are known as "Maheshwara Sutras" or "Maheshwara Sutrani" (in Sanskrit)

These verses are just a collection of sounds and if you say them aloud, in one breath, they really sound like drum beats.

And because they emerged from a Divine source, they were so perfect...so complete that Panini was able to create, compile codify the rules of Sanskrit grammar in such a way and till today they have remained unchanged.

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mnx12

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Posted: 12 years ago

What Vasugupta found is this, The Shiv Sutras

They are amazing.

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sucheta

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Posted: 12 years ago

i was about to throw in a question tht

is there any difference between Shiv Sutras and Maheshwar Sutras.??

or they are the same but like different volumes for different purposes..??

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varaali

@varaali

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: kaatayani
i was about to throw in a question tht
is there any difference between Shiv Sutras and Maheshwar Sutras.??

or they are the same but like different volumes for different purposes..??

No, they are not the same. They are completely different.

Shiva Sutras which were revealed to Sage Vasugupta (refer to the link provided by Minakshi) are philosophical in nature and embedded with deep spiritual truths.

The Maheshwara Sutras refer to the 14 sounds, based on which Panini compiled the rules of Sanskrit grammar.

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varaali

@varaali

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: mnx12
What Vasugupta found is this, The Shiv Sutras
They are amazing.

Yes Minakshi. I did refer to your thread in my first post.

I wanted to give a link but could not locate it.

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mnx12

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Posted: 12 years ago

varaali, I wanted to post a topic when they mentioned Shiv Sutras in the show, but remembered it was already posted. They can be understood with a comentary. They explain & guide very well, on what & how for a person seeking understanding on Spiritual path.

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varaali

@varaali

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Posted: 12 years ago

Click on this link for more information

https://ancientindians.wordpress.com/vedangas/vyakarana/maheswara-sutras-2/

There is a link for a sound track at the bottom of the page. Do click on it to hear how the Maheshwara Sturas sound with and without the damaru.

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mithila

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Posted: 12 years ago

i would like to add lil more to your information... after reading about it i was curious to learn more about sanskrit grammer.. i wish to share it with you...

hope you also enjoy reading it

courtesy: wiki (offcourse)😛 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Sutras

Shiv sutras are believed to be originated from Shiva's Tandava dance.

At the end of His Cosmic Dance,
Shiva, the Lord of Dance,
with a view to bless the sages Sanaka and so on,
played on His Damaru fourteen times,
from which emerged the following fourteen Sutras,
popularly known as Shiva Sutras or Maheshwara Sutras.

IAST	Devangar
1. a i u 2. k 3. e o 4. ai au c 5. ha ya va ra 6. la 7. a ma a a na m 8. jha bha 9. gha ha dha 10. ja ba ga a da 11. kha pha cha ha tha ca a ta v 12. ka pa y 13. a a sa r 14. ha l	. \| . \| . " \| . " \| . \| . \| . \| . \| . \| . \| . - \| . \| . \| . \|

IAST

Devangar

1. a i u
2. k
3. e o
4. ai au c
5. ha ya va ra
6. la
7. a ma a a na m
8. jha bha
9. gha ha dha
10. ja ba ga a da
11. kha pha cha ha tha ca a ta v
12. ka pa y
13. a a sa r
14. ha l

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mithila

@mithilarids

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Posted: 12 years ago

sorry..😭

sanskrit words are not being shown on this page... but if intrested please do refer to the link

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mithila

@mithilarids

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: varaali
clarify there are TWO TEXTS which go under the name "Shiva Sutras."

The first one is a set of religious / philosophical verses with deep spiritual insights which were revealed by Lord Shiva to Sage Vasugupta. This text forms the cornerstone for Kashmir Shaivism. Minakshi had posted long time back a thread on these verses. I am unable to locate that thread right now.

The Second text which goes by the name Shiva Sutras or Maheshwara Sutras (Sutrani - in Sanskrit) was revealed to Panini - the great Sanskrit grammarian to enable him formulate the rules of Sanskrit grammar.

Since the serial showed Lord Shiva playing the Damaru 14 times I am inclined to believe it is the second text the CVs may be referring to.

The story goes like this- Panini was attempting to compose and codify the rules of Sanskrit grammar in such a manner that it will withstand the ravages of time.

When he was in meditation, Lord Shiva appeared before him and played his damaru in a specific manner 14 times.

Panini- the genius that he was, understood all that Shiva wanted to tell him.

Panini captured the sounds of the damaru and translated them into syllables. From these sounds emerged the 14 syllables which provided Panini with the basis for formulating the rules of Sanskrit grammar.

These 14 verses are known as "Maheshwara Sutras" or "Maheshwara Sutrani" (in Sanskrit)

These verses are just a collection of sounds and if you say them aloud, in one breath, they really sound like drum beats.

And because they emerged from a Divine source, they were so perfect...so complete that Panini was able to create, compile codify the rules of Sanskrit grammar in such a way and till today they have remained unchanged.

thank you varali for a knowledagble post... no wonder vishnu of the forum... 👏

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