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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ann2012

The kind of ideas mentioned in this post about how women should behave, carry themselves etc. are absurd. Jalal's sulatante was run by a woman with no royal affliations whatsoever. A mere commoner who held the such a high post. Jallu tolerated her son's misdeeds just because he was her son.


His mother (again a commoner) played a big role in matters of state. The famous 'petticoat' government was handled by these two. His aunt Gulbadan was responsible for writing the Humayunama. There must be many more examples of such powerful women in Akbar's household. They didn't behave like doormats, then why should Jodha?

Jodha is not a commoner, she is a royal one who is exceptionally educated and talented. And just like in today's age, women in high power or born in powerful households are not governed by so-called ideals of how women should 'behave', neither were such women in 16 century.

Coming back to the serial, Jodha behaved in the most dignified manner possible in such situation. She had no issue touching him, it was only when he touched her gown that she tried to push him away. And he was so DRUNK that he fell on the ground. Jodha tried to help him up but he refused her help. A re-look at that scene will surely help. She didn't shout at him or give a bhashaan and only stated her point gracefully.

very well said👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
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thank you 😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: AbHer_neha


What will she make him understand when he was in no mood to listen rather just wanted to remove her gown? She tried later on but Jalal was in so much nasha & anger that he went out.

I am just posting what Vicky wrote in her post...and I just love it...👏

The man 'insulted' in his wife's chambers was a husband. Not a 'Shahenshah'. Its not right to weigh everything in honour and prestige and titles. Everything goes away - the person that you are on the inside remains.

In that case even as a husband of many months it was an insult. Letter or no letter. Why is Jodha and jodha alone the deciding authority of the time and level of intimacy?

Now that she has openly acknowledged the end of grina, what's wrong if jalal tries to take their relationship to the next level even without the letter factor?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ann2012

The kind of ideas mentioned in this post about how women should behave, carry themselves etc. are absurd. Jalal's sulatante was run by a woman with no royal affliations whatsoever. A mere commoner who held the such a high post. Jallu tolerated her son's misdeeds just because he was her son.


His mother (again a commoner) played a big role in matters of state. The famous 'petticoat' government was handled by these two. His aunt Gulbadan was responsible for writing the Humayunama. There must be many more examples of such powerful women in Akbar's household. They didn't behave like doormats, then why should Jodha?

Jodha is not a commoner, she is a high-born/royal lady who is exceptionally educated and talented. And just like in today's age, women in high power or born in powerful households are not governed by so-called ideals of how women should 'behave', neither were such women in 16th century.

Coming back to the serial, Jodha behaved in the most dignified manner possible in such situation. She had no issue touching him, it was only when he touched her gown that she tried to push him away. And he was so DRUNK that he fell on the ground. Jodha tried to help him up but he refused her help. A re-look at that scene will surely help. She didn't shout at him or give a bhashaan and only stated her point gracefully.

Please understand my point.
In 16th century the condition of women was not like 21st century. Women could be left by husbands anytime, sati, dowry, child marriage, battering of women to get back lost kingdoms like jodha's father did to jodha etc were very common. Many of these evils do not happen now or may happen to very less extent. Please read books on women in 15th and 16th century in india you will realize what i am saying is very less of what really used to happen with women. An husband/family could kill women if they felt they had brought disgrace to family and no judge/king would question or punish them. Yes this used to happen in india only. May be you have not read those books about such incidents. In todays times such things happen very rarely and hence we are not so aware but it happens even now.
Secondly this was akbar not some commoner husband. Akbar was known not to take insubordination or any insult quietly like i already stated in my main points. When akbar who loved salim more than his life can punish him for falling in love with a slave woman by banishing him from palace and getting him hit by gaurds for visiting servants quarters in harem etc how can he allow such kind of rejection and insult from wife even in private. Hence this scene they showed is highly impossible.
In real history akbar had never promised jodha bai that he will not touch her without permission. This is just a fiction and imagination story. But even then i do not think jodha would dare misbehave and insult him like she has done on this show many times. This is not one pushing incident i am talking this is how this chapter was handled as a whole. Jodha also understands akbar will not keep quiet after what happened yesterday night hence want to go and meet him and ask sorry and explain her point.
Edited by myviewprem - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i am disappointed 17 dec episode of jodha akbar how many tracks have gone jalal not trust jodha he says he trusts but not trusts he does not love jodha he only attracts her in fake pregnancy matter he doughted her character that is a big thing for women rukaia miscarriage track he didnot listen her sukanya marriage he didnot listen about adamkhan and sharffidun but these matter he solves in a goodmanner but in front of tansen he says kee veha sirf panne mee yakeen raktha hee but in prem mee too sabb khona parata hee when jodha is saying she doesnot write in the letter she spents night with him he didnot listen her.when he knows kee ajj usse jodha kee chamber mee jana hee how he drank so much he knows jodha nature.when jodha telling her point he confused. when he touch her gown then jodha reacts which is natural before this she is hearing all talks once jalal saying rukaia kee vehe meri tarah galatfami kaa shikar hee but now this time also last time jalal phir see galatfami kaa shikre hee but jodha knows mahamanga adamkhan and sharffidun truth how she will came there asali chera donot know abhi too veh khudd hee fass rahi.hee.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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yeah,i was shocked to see jodha's reaction..she shouldnt have pushed him that hard..and even if she did,she didnt seem sorry for it at all😔
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Posted: 11 years ago
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That Wasn't a push..may I clear this..It was just that she was damn scared..and what can we all expect he was drunk..(But still he maintained dignity and respect..and even asked her that whatever she wrote in the letter was correct) but I must tell you that she wasn't rude..She didn't scream..I don't know why everyone is BLAMING and ACCUSING her that much..She takes him only as a friend..Moreover she is also trying to be good to him..and she was good to him yesterday also..I don't know why you people don't understand that this all is only because of Misunderstandings..I didn't hope that the forum would be filled with sooo much Negativity..Please guys let CVs do their job..they Know it BETTER! Stop accusing everything..I know it was damn embaressing but Please Stop being so negative..You did mention many of the bad tracks..and Jodha's mistakes..But what would you expect..She HATED him she said openly...From past few episodes we all have seen how nice she is being..but no good things about that has been mentioned..Even I felt bad for Jalal but didn't you guys see that she herself was sad about it and immediately went to him..infact the next morning also..Uuhh..I don't know what's going wrong with you people..this is such a lovely forum..Let's first respect our beloved actors..and I am damn sure that this all will be cleared soon between them .. Wo dono ko to jaldi hi pyaar ho jayega..ap log kyun nafrat kar rahe ho..Peace..Keep Calm..Give Time..and Stop Accusing!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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May be Jodha did not push him on purpose BUT Jalal did fall on the ground badly.. I don't know whom to blame.. Jodha or the CVs but that was bad.. the way he fell.. the way he felt humiliated.. It was SO evident on his face! That heart broken n hugely humiliated face.. I could not see it! Jalal didn't go as a Shehenshah there but as a husband.. as a man craving for love.. he was vulnerable that time trying to express his emotions probably for the first time in front of his begum.. he even admitted that "jise jeethna chahta tha unhi se haar kha li humne" this itself shows that he was there for love n not to express his power or rights on Jodha! This time he definitely did not deserve to be SO humiliated! I felt bad I felt very bad to see a mighty emperor in such a state who was actually jhukaofying his sarr for the first time ever in his life in front of anyone for that matter! 🥺
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Posted: 11 years ago
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because many of you are saying she did not push him i saw the video clearly.
She pushed him with both her hands he did not fall down because he was drunk
because she pushed him hard and he had not expected that he fell far off
if he fell down because he was drunk he would not fall so far off and so hard.
pls watch video again
and he is her husband not a stranger or someone come to voilate her that she behaves like that with him. just walk off from the room if you do not like his behaviour. thats what humans do all the time anyways at unwanted attention whether india or US whether public place or office etc. Do not stand there and give all signals of you are more than willing and last moment humilate a person?
This was the sequence
He as her husband has not touched her for a year after marriage
He has told her many times if you do not like me go back to amer she does not go
She writes a letter saying "I love you meet me tonight. I want to give you all husband rights" (as per jalal that is truth simple)
When he goes to her and ask her if its truth she holds his hand gives all encouraging signals saying yes all words in letter are truth
When he makes a final move as her husband after getting all signals from wife she pushes him to floor and says you are only my friend not husband. My heart, body and soul cannot be yours.
Which husband in 21st century forget 15th century keep quiet on such insult?
Do you all know 21st century law if husband/wife refuses to have relation after marriage spouse can ask divore immediately and not wait for one year. This is law in all countries not only india? Its certified as cruelty.
Any husband will then ask such a wife these questions(15th or 21st century)
1) Why are you staying with me and enjoying my wealth, position and privileges of wife/queen not only for you but your entire extended family?
2) You want all my positions but not duty of wife forget the physical aspect you shower abuses, torture me mentally day and night, insult me in front of my employees, citizens and maids etc and not even bother to support me like when elephant attcked to kill me you say leave amer so that my sister marriage happens without problems? 😕
All this forms cruelty to spouse in law in 21st century
3) I asked you before marriage will you want to marry me? You said yes but with sharth that you will not convert to my religion. You never said any clause like no husband rights, misbehaviours and mental cruelty were part of your clause. Then i would just reject marriage or think of something else to solve this issue
You cannot have cake and eat it too
And remember he is emperor if he cannot handle his wife/marriage what shall he handle kingdom, wars, enemies etc? Today she is insubordination tommorow another wife next day body gaurds then citizens and army?
Do we not say jehangir could not handle a wife-nur jahan? No matter how good an emperor he was before or did good work don't we only remember him as a subservient husband of dominating and scheming nur jahan? Who knows jehangir may have done 70-80% of all decisions as emperor but nur jahan took 20-30% do not we think she was real power why? Do you know among first 6 mughal emperors jehangir had least wars and killed least people in his regime. Still we consider him as emperor ruled by wife simple.
Its all image - image matters a lot in this world. We may think this is between four walls. Nothing is between four walls ever. Even in neighbour hood do not people talk this man is always dominated by wife., this wife is very scared and subservient to husband, this guy always listens as per his mother etc. etc. Its all image. It may be correct or wrong but image matters a lot in outside world and one incident can ruin a person's image not for life but till end of world.
And like we know akbar did not have such an image. So why show contrary?
That is why i said akbar is acting more like jehangir in a previous post.
But i doubt even jehangir would have bent so much to nur jahan(forget other wives because he did not love them that much they were all political marriages arranged by parents extcept sahib jamal an commoner) as jalal has bent to jodha. Because although nur jahan wanted shah jahan to be punished for his offences(like bhagawat, killing brother khusrau) jehangir refused because he loved him no matter what just like akbar loved salim no matter what?
You rise in true love not fall in love.
I rest my case here. I have nothing against serial jodha or real jodha nor do i like real akbar or serial akbar. But i just felt as per my knowledge this is not akbar's nature and character. He could never have been that great emperor if his nature was that of being potrayed in serial akbar.
Edited by myviewprem - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Liana.Wink

That Wasn't a push..may I clear this..It was just that she was damn scared..and what can we all expect he was drunk..(But still he maintained dignity and respect..and even asked her that whatever she wrote in the letter was correct) but I must tell you that she wasn't rude..She didn't scream..I don't know why everyone is BLAMING and ACCUSING her that much..She takes him only as a friend..Moreover she is also trying to be good to him..and she was good to him yesterday also..I don't know why you people don't understand that this all is only because of Misunderstandings..I didn't hope that the forum would be filled with sooo much Negativity..Please guys let CVs do their job..they Know it BETTER! Stop accusing everything..I know it was damn embaressing but Please Stop being so negative..You did mention many of the bad tracks..and Jodha's mistakes..But what would you expect..She HATED him she said openly...From past few episodes we all have seen how nice she is being..but no good things about that has been mentioned..Even I felt bad for Jalal but didn't you guys see that she herself was sad about it and immediately went to him..infact the next morning also..Uuhh..I don't know what's going wrong with you people..this is such a lovely forum..Let's first respect our beloved actors..and I am damn sure that this all will be cleared soon between them .. Wo dono ko to jaldi hi pyaar ho jayega..ap log kyun nafrat kar rahe ho..Peace..Keep Calm..Give Time..and Stop Accusing!

Hey cool down we are not accusing anyone nor dislike actors
all actors on ja doing great job
just that some scenes/ some chapters look unbelievable so we put our points so CV do not go wrong again and again

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