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Posted: 11 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

We would think that would have been a water-shed convo. And they should give have given more time. But I have watched only one show before. And with experience I can say that it never happens that way. So wave 2 or 2nd instalment is going to come in the future. And thats good in a way.
BTW we have seen a lot of movies where leads part ways after one of them asks the other to do so and sacrifice it for someone else(sometimes a sister). But, their love was mostly unknown. This is a unique case. Makers are hell bent on creating history. Where everything is out in the open. And Madam is asking Sir to first give fhis saansein and forecasts that he will 'dheere-dheere' love her sister. And the best part is what she said to Guniyal n Dugbaa at the well. What did I do? Maine kyaa kiya. Sab kuch kismat ka faisla thaa. But in reality she thought she fought with kismat and won.


Here we had a brilliant insight from Guniyal, but then the cvs forgot about it and it was lost

Ek beti apni jeet maan nahi rahi hai, aur doosri haar manane ko tayyar nahi hai

I don't understand Kumud here

When it was kismet ka faisla, in the form of pramaad, she kept claiming it was her decision so she must face it

That day in the courtroom, when she had everything going for her, she decided to fall for his whining and coughing and made a singular decision, or later when she decided to again, without even consulting Saras or anyone , to 'give' Saras to kusum, she calls it kismet ka faisla.

She knows that these two decisions are so wrong that she is afraid to even take ownership of these, and prefers to blame kismet - the ultimate weapon of the weak !
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Posted: 11 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: Arshics


Here we had a brilliant insight from Guniyal, but then the cvs forgot about it and it was lost

Ek beti apni jeet maan nahi rahi hai, aur doosri haar manane ko tayyar nahi hai

I don't understand Kumud here

When it was kismet ka faisla, in the form of pramaad, she kept claiming it was her decision so she must face it

That day in the courtroom, when she had everything going for her, she decided to fall for his whining and coughing and made a singular decision, or later when she decided to again, without even consulting Saras or anyone , to 'give' Saras to kusum, she calls it kismet ka faisla.

She knows that these two decisions are so wrong that she is afraid to even take ownership of these, and prefers to blame kismet - the ultimate weapon of the weak !



Arshi, not to forget, her ever famous lines to Saras, whenever she makes these unilateral decisions- "Tum kahan the jab mujhe tumhari zaroorat thi" ! despite the fact that the guy is always around her, and ALWAYS reassuring her ALL the time!

Is she, was she ever "connected" to Saras ever, to understand his frame of mind??
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Posted: 11 years ago
#53
" Twila and Arshi, I am referring to Twila's post on the multiple projects handled by one of the CVs.

My ...favorite ... writer works with a team. They do multiple projects and have mastered the art of copy pasting same story in different shows. Hence they have all the free time to interact with folks on social media.

Twila, did you notice a pattern in the characters as well? Kumud now fits into the mold of female lead characters the team tends to write. If they had been writing from the beginning of the show, Kumud would barely have finished her high school and quite possibly would have been a chirpy, ditzy, clueless ... a few more adjectives I should not write here, kind of person. SO I am grateful for the short time that we did get to see a slightly different female lead character.

I am curious to see if Saras starts manhandling and becomes aggressive over the next few weeks. 🤣🤣

Their lack of respect and sensitivity towards women, life and relationships in general reflects in their work that we get to watch. Very sad. The characters all are puppets in their hands to turn any which way they wish without a thought to consistency, logic etc. Since his work brings TRPs, channel doesnt care what message is conveyed. One of the reasons I stopped watching when I heard he was writing for the show. I can not watch Kumud's character ruined like he did with the lead of the previous show I watched. **

I have to also admit that I have read of his short stories, anecdotes etc couple years back somewhere online. The man is intelligent and witty no doubt. I did not just rant about him, I wrote my observations. "




Nandy ...




Thanks a lot for the Detailed and Wonderful response above ... 🤗


and while one does understand about their being a Team of Writers for the daily soaps ... but still managing to write for 4-5 Shows simultaneously is something quite Super- Manly ... hard to imagine for us mere mortals ... 😛


@ Bold above in Blue ... Loved it ... 😆

and while given the character Sketch of Saras it would be a bit difficult , but one should not put it past the INGENUITY and the Super- Man like abilities of our esteemed writer ... 😃

Edited by twila - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#54
Brilliant catch Sudha. Thats what she has been doing of late isnt it? Blame shifting. Taking decisions which dangerously alter the course of their relationship. Thwarting any attempts he makes to fix all the wrong that has been done and then laying the blame for all that on his head.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: vaishali-AR


I thought when Saras went to talk to her prior to the wedding..that was the best time to clear things out to her.. Not just speak about Danny but tell her in clear words that what you are feeling for me is impossible for me to reciprocate because I see you as my sister.. simple! Kusum has assumed on her own that Saras will not ''hurt'' her even if she makes a wrong demand..and obviously she can hurt everyone around as long as she's happy..the spoilt brat Kusum! her demand is not only wrong its unethical.. and even if Kumud was not in the picture, love should be mutual ... if she can feel revolted at the idea of marrying Danny who she doesn't love how can she expect Saras to accept the proposal when he doesn't love her? His being so deeply in love with her own sister adds to that.. Only and only Saras could have and should have explained all this to her.. I don't know why that never happened.. neither did Saras talk to Danny before roping him in for this marriage.. If anyone he is the one who has the right to be upset and angry.. but I hope he doesn't get mad at Saras..that guy already has to much to deal with :(





Vaishali ...




I have been waiting to hear the " Sister " dialogue too ... and logically that should have been the First reaction and Explanation of Saras ...

Had Saras said it in the first instance , and Clarified the Sisterly feeling and relationship to both Kumud and Kusum , that would have put a Full Stop to all this Nonsense there and then ...


But how could the CVs allow something so Simple , Clear and Straightforward to unfold ... How could they milk it for their Cheap Twists ...The matter would have been Clarified there and then and then how could the CVs have found their story line for three- four weeks ... cause they are not willing to be Creative enough to think of a good plot on their own ... 😡


So the CVs are so obviously and deliberately AVOIDING that dialogue ...only for the sake of Cheap Drama ... and to keep on stretching this Distasteful scenario like Chewing Gum .


Edited by twila - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#56

Originally posted by: smrth


More is coming...acceptance of a murderer, abductor, adulterer pervert. For once Saras was right to assert, not only mine, you have no right to 'donate' your breathe ( she loves boasting 'saans'). They are my surety, especially after I ensure them secure in that near death attempt.😡
Much liked characters are tumbling like inverted pins. VC, Guniyal, Kumari. Time for a break...🤢





Smrth ...





How i wish your " Mirror " scenario may come True ...

But we all know it is Impossible ...cause it does not fit in the CV's vision of the Heroine as the " Tyaag and Mahaanta ki Devi " ...


@ Bold above in Blue ... THIS IS THE WORST POSSIBLE SCENARIO ... Yuckkkyy beyond imagination ... 🤢

and we can see it coming surely ... Really Shudder to think about it ... Do not know how we shall bear it ...


Of course even now Our Mahaanta ki Devi has never said anything to that Monster about his " Responsibility " for the Kidnapping and almost Rape of her sister ... the CVs have very conveniently Brushed aside such a serious Crime as being of no Consequence ... along with all the other crimes too numerous to list here ...


The only Responsibility that Madam knows about is that " Sacrosanct Responsibility " ( as so rightly worded by Smrth Bhaaii ) towards that Murderer , Kidnapper, Rapist ...


As for the question of why she does not have any Responsibility towards Saras ... that Question is better left Unasked ... cause the CVs do not want us to ask such Inconvenient questions ...

Of course , she does not display even an Iota of Responsibility ...completly ZILCH... ZERO Responsibility ... towards Saras ... her Soulmate... Lover ...
the one who Loves her more than his own life ... Her Life Saver ... Saviour ... Protector... the one who has given his Heart , Soul , Blood and Sweat for her all the time ... has repeatedly put his own life on the line , not only for her but for her entire Family... but she has absolutely No Resposibility towards him ... 🤢


For him not only does she have Anger and Scorn ... but now also the newest dialogue of " Why did he not stop Breathing " ...which plainly put means... Why he did not DIE before giving tha so called " Dhokha " to her ... 🤢
Of course she did not stop to reflect even for a minute about the Horrendous " Dhokha " tah she had given to him by ordering him to marry that Shameless Kusum , before uttering such terrible words ...


Yesterday that dialogue really Stunned me by the sheer Callousness displayed by the CVs ...It was soo Hurtful ... that for a moment i could not believe my Ears ...

The Writers really Crossed all limits by making Kumud say that line yesterday ... 😡



It is Unbelievable to see what a monstrosity our Kumud has been turned into ...

Our Idiot Sundari now knows only one Responsibility ... that EVIL PPP ...For her the " Responsibility " to take Care of that Monster is not only Supreme ... it is in fact now the whole reason for her existence ... this is what she stated herself two days back ...

and this is the Oh soTruthful ... Righteous ... Sanskaaron se bhari Hui ...Confident Stong , Modern ... highly Educated ...always standing for the Right ... Kumud Sundari speaking ...


It is such a shame to see how the once much Loved character has now been so Badly Degraded by the CVs...

Sudder to think what more Horrors they shall Unleash on us in the name of this " TYAAG and Mahaanta track " ...
Edited by twila - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: -sudha-


I hope so Arshi! I hope Saras and Danny and Dukhba remain steadfast in their respective decisions, and dont go around apologising to anyone.

I hope it is Kusum who has sent the mms ts caught, and is put in her place for behaving like an irresponsible brat! And I hope Kumud comes to her senses once again, without shifting her stand to Pramad all of a sudden !!! And I hope All izz well ! soon. This tension, compounded by a completely insane track is a bit too hard on all of us ! 😊



Nope...not gonna happen...

Now they will screw up saras - danny relationship next...

You see...their goal is to putrefy all good things about the show...and the tasks incomplete...


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Arshi, a beautiful byte as usual :) By reading the current tracks I am shocked at the way the writers have spoilt the characters. I don't even want to talk about Kumud & Kusum, they are beyond redemption. Kumud going off with Pramad sucks. What did Danny do that he had to be pushed into this, poor thing. The only character who was good till now was Saras, they just had to taint him as well. Saras asking Danny to marry Kusum without telling anyone was so not his behaviour. Now everyone will shoulder the cross on him again and the poor fellow has to again start a redemption track. I am really pissed off seeing Kumud's attitude towards Saras. I really don't understand why he still bears everything and stays around. I want him to show a bit of self respect & walk out but I am sure he will think, now he needs to make everything right for Kusum & Danny, until then he can't go away. Oh, he is going to get old helping this ungrateful Desai's :(
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: hotdogg



Nope...not gonna happen...

Now they will screw up saras - danny relationship next...

You see...their goal is to putrefy all good things about the show...and the tasks incomplete...



Yes hggbai, every single relationship. I won't be surprised if we see a rift between VC & Dughbaa as well. The writer doesn't want to leave any stone unturned,
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: pasumarthisa


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That wasquite a dialogue, TV serials wale heroines aise kaise bol sakte hain.??-))


I am still scratching my head on how she could say that. Saras ki saansein jhoot bolne se/ye chori-chori shaadi karwane se rukenge ya kusum ke saath galat rishte mein bandh kar rukenge.

Saras's questioning back was great but he should have asked the above too.


And like Smrth ji said, he gave much pride to his love.Her saansein that he secured by saving her life, putting his own life at risk, how could they survive this?


And Kumud's non-reaction was again bad. This implies only one thing. That this thread of argument will be taken up again. And I like that.


She did say to all that he will be majboor in the beginning but 'dheere-dheere' pyaaar ho jaayega. Ek baar wo dialogue bhi saras ko sunana tha.




Arshi you have picked up on a good point here. Saras doing this means his saansein should've stopped but baar baar refusing to divorce her kameena husband and putting saras thru hell uski saansein kyu nahi ruk gayi? :-(

How are CVs going to redeem her character which at this point comes across as selfish :-(

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