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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: deejagi


Guys just by Adham asking sorry will not rule out his comments about Ruqaiya. It might suppress for the time being but will not hold a stand. The question is out an dpeople will talk, Adham might say sorry but not all the public. And even if he openly say that he will not marry Tasneem, what ever he had expressed can't be called back or erased. So there has to some foolproof policy whihc will save Ruqu's marriage.

I agree Jaya. Adham's issue has now become incidental. the tables have turned on Jalal-Ruq and the issue has become an izzat ka sawaal for the Shahenshah with his praja watching his moves!
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Posted: 11 years ago
From the way Jodha pushed Moti from her room, I presume she is upto something to save Ruqu & Jalal's relationship and that has to convince not only The Diwan-E-Khas but also the amm janata. She has to act fast enough to save Jalal from Ruqu's complaint against in Diwan-E-amm. So for all probebility, she might just elope from the palace and reach the villagers where Jalal had got the well dug. She might explain the gravity of the situation (may be giving a negative perspective to achieve what ever she wants) where in theie King's marriage itself is questioned and if he choose to divorce ruqaiya, then it will apply to almost all the married couple in the sultanate. So to save their relationships, the peile will have to support the king with the new law as well as to pressurize him to implement it for all the future marriages leaving behind the already happened ones.
If that happens, neither ruqu needs to complain against her husband nor Tasneem needs to marry Adham. After that she needs to bring Tasneem's parents to testify against Adham and how he bribed them with the Killa.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: skanda12

Jaya, where were you all day! Missed you! 😛
Ruq could go either way now, for Jodha or against Jodha depending on whether Jodha solves her issue or not!


had been to customer visit and just returned. Too tired but thought will look into the forum for some time.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: deejagi

From the way Jodha pushed Moti from her room, I presume she is upto something to save Ruqu & Jalal's relationship and that has to convince not only The Diwan-E-Khas but also the amm janata. She has to act fast enough to save Jalal from Ruqu's complaint against in Diwan-E-amm. So for all probebility, she might just elope from the palace and reach the villagers where Jalal had got the well dug. She might explain the gravity of the situation (may be giving a negative perspective to achieve what ever she wants) where in theie King's marriage itself is questioned and if he choose to divorce ruqaiya, then it will apply to almost all the married couple in the sultanate. So to save their relationships, the peile will have to support the king with the new law as well as to pressurize him to implement it for all the future marriages leaving behind the already happened ones.

If that happens, neither ruqu needs to complain against her husband nor Tasneem needs to marry Adham. After that she needs to bring Tasneem's parents to testify against Adham and how he bribed them with the Killa.

This is a good probability Jaya. Didn't occur to me that maybe going to the praja directly is also a solution!
But one thing ... some spoilers have come out that jalal will solve the issue, so that's a bit confusing, because I even I got the definite feeling yesterday that Jodha would do something (the way she pushed Moti out and then prayed to kanha!)
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: skanda12

This is a good probability Jaya. Didn't occur to me that maybe going to the praja directly is also a solution!
But one thing ... some spoilers have come out that jalal will solve the issue, so that's a bit confusing, because I even I got the definite feeling yesterday that Jodha would do something (the way she pushed Moti out and then prayed to kanha!)


😆 lets wait for 1 more hour and see. I know from his facial expession, he was controlling himself too hard and that could be the reason why he didn't say much to anyone. However if he feels resigned just because Ruqaiya accused him and for her outburst and for her shouting on Jodha, he will be an eligible candidate for becoming Akbar. what is wrong with her anger? Her condition now is as good as the condition Draupadi during the vastrapaharan time when despite having 5 noble (?) and strong husbands, she had no one to save her from the disgrace of Kauravas. Did she not blame them for that? She did and that was the precise reason Purandara dasa had written in one of his song that "patigalaivariddarenu, satiya bhangakkodagalilla - means, what was the use of having 5 husbands, who did serve the purpose when she was in distress"

If after all this if Adham asks for sorry, then it will be more like rubbing the salt on the bleeding wound. The same way how Duryodhana responded later when some one questioned about what he would have done, if he were in that position of Pandava's " Forget about my wife in the position of Draupadi, but if some one would have touched the Daasi of my palace, I would have killed him with my bare hands and he had ridiculed the pandavas for their gallentry and their word of honour which could not save their own wife.

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Posted: 11 years ago
Superb analysis Mansi as always and your guess of Jodha's involvement in solving this issue might come true as per latest tata sky spoiler. She might suggest something to Jalal and we might see all 3 - Jodha, Jalal and Ruq working together to resolve this. After this track is over and once peace is back in Harem, Ruq might start thinking abt Jodha in +ve way, which might lead to friendship between them (guessing based on earlier Zee's tweet. ).
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Posted: 11 years ago

wow..so her husband before the entire harem tells that he thought his wife had an affair since he had doubt that in one night any woman can conceive..and jodha was not suppose to react or flinch ???

Of course she could react and tear the place down when faced with such accusation, but Ruqaiya was also not wrong when she screamed yesterday. Just because she is not the heroine, her reactions cant be labelled excessive.

you want to elevate ruqaiyya;s plight ,do it ..she was wronged but not on the basis of putting down jodha when she was wronged and the only person in the entire Agra who supported her was hamida banu...

the humiliation and disgrace she has gone through...it cannot be compared ...accused of murder,accused of an affair ,any woman in her place would have killed herself long back

I'm not putting Jodha down. I'm only drawing comparisons. Jodha was fully justified in her reaction in the earlier episodes as Ruqaiya is now.

there is no need to like her character ,(I loved her character in the first 75- 80 episodes or so, detested it totally in the next 35-40 episodes and am somewhere in between now) am super happy she is arrogant haughty and rude or else these two best friends would have trampled her to a corner of the Harem which was the agenda for marrying her

if today Jalal respects her ,falls for her then SHE HAS EARNED IT ...if she was rude and ignored HB then she would never have been respected or loved by her...so she earned that as well

His ek hi kashthi mein sawaar' speaks more of his insight into other people than Jodha having earned it by her goodness. As for HB, she is no yardstick for measure as she started rooting for Jodha even before she met her.

whatever is happening between ruqaiiya and Jallal would have happened any ways...if not jodha some other woman would have come in between coz in their relationship lies a gap so wide that an army can camp

Then it is surprising that Jalal (not Jodha) who is sweating out to bridge the gap between himself and Jodha failed to do that with Ruqaiya. May be he took it for granted that she and her loyalties will be with him forever.

if my husband after 11 years of companionship tells anyone who cares to listen how lonely he is in life with no one inspite of all relationships then there is seriously something wrong in that relationship...and ruqaiya's insecurity was seeded the moment Jalla brought the first woman after her and slept with her...and as the number of women increased so did the fear and insecurity...her lack of faith in Jalal right now is justifiable coz years of fear is what is spilling now that she senses jodha is more than another beghum to him...her sole possession of his person is under threat hence her outburst too is justifiable

the problem is they are no longer children ,they have grown up but their friendship remains that of childhood ..and ruqaiyya has to help herself to overcome this insecurity ...only she can and only then will she be at peace about herself and Jalal ...and for that she has to make her mistakes and learn...Jalal was ,is and will always be there for her ...she only has to believe in her heart which she will in time...

and i very much empathise with ruqaiyya and her stand ,and for that Jalal support for Adham due to MA is to be blamed not jodha...coz if it was not Adham ,halal would have beheaded anyone who questioned his marriage...so Jalal's lack of a stand for Adham is what led to whatever happened and his helplessness as an Emperor not his feeling for Jodha...let us be fair to Jalal and not insult him by even assuming he will overthrow his old relationships for new ones ..

Of course Jalal will not. He is much above these petty attitudes. He has already become half-Akbar. And this time Jodha is not responsible for the chaos nor was she responsible for Jalal's restraint in court. .

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

wow..so her husband before the entire harem tells that he thought his wife had an affair since he had doubt that in one night any woman can conceive..and jodha was not suppose to react or flinch ???

Of course she could react and tear the place down when faced with such accusation, but Ruqaiya was also not wrong when she screamed yesterday. Just because she is not the heroine, her reactions cant be labelled excessive.

you want to elevate ruqaiyya;s plight ,do it ..she was wronged but not on the basis of putting down jodha when she was wronged and the only person in the entire Agra who supported her was hamida banu...

the humiliation and disgrace she has gone through...it cannot be compared ...accused of murder,accused of an affair ,any woman in her place would have killed herself long back

I'm not putting Jodha down. I'm only drawing comparisons. Jodha was fully justified in her reaction in the earlier episodes as Ruqaiya is now.

there is no need to like her character ,(I loved her character in the first 75- 80 episodes or so, detested it totally in the next 35-40 episodes and am somewhere in between now) am super happy she is arrogant haughty and rude or else these two best friends would have trampled her to a corner of the Harem which was the agenda for marrying her

if today Jalal respects her ,falls for her then SHE HAS EARNED IT ...if she was rude and ignored HB then she would never have been respected or loved by her...so she earned that as well

His ek hi kashthi mein sawaar' speaks more of his insight into other people than Jodha having earned it by her goodness. As for HB, she is no yardstick for measure as she started rooting for Jodha even before she met her.

whatever is happening between ruqaiiya and Jallal would have happened any ways...if not jodha some other woman would have come in between coz in their relationship lies a gap so wide that an army can camp

Then it is surprising that Jalal (not Jodha) who is sweating out to bridge the gap between himself and Jodha failed to do that with Ruqaiya. May be he took it for granted that she and her loyalties will be with him forever.

if my husband after 11 years of companionship tells anyone who cares to listen how lonely he is in life with no one inspite of all relationships then there is seriously something wrong in that relationship...and ruqaiya's insecurity was seeded the moment Jalla brought the first woman after her and slept with her...and as the number of women increased so did the fear and insecurity...her lack of faith in Jalal right now is justifiable coz years of fear is what is spilling now that she senses jodha is more than another beghum to him...her sole possession of his person is under threat hence her outburst too is justifiable

the problem is they are no longer children ,they have grown up but their friendship remains that of childhood ..and ruqaiyya has to help herself to overcome this insecurity ...only she can and only then will she be at peace about herself and Jalal ...and for that she has to make her mistakes and learn...Jalal was ,is and will always be there for her ...she only has to believe in her heart which she will in time...

and i very much empathise with ruqaiyya and her stand ,and for that Jalal support for Adham due to MA is to be blamed not jodha...coz if it was not Adham ,halal would have beheaded anyone who questioned his marriage...so Jalal's lack of a stand for Adham is what led to whatever happened and his helplessness as an Emperor not his feeling for Jodha...let us be fair to Jalal and not insult him by even assuming he will overthrow his old relationships for new ones ..

Of course Jalal will not. He is much above these petty attitudes. He has already become half-Akbar. And this time Jodha is not responsible for the chaos nor was she responsible for Jalal's restraint in court. .


Sandhya, I agree with you. For the gap between Jalal and Ruqs, Jalal is just as much to blame. If he had put half the effort into his relationship with Ruks as he has in delaing with Jo's ghrina , Ruks would not be in the emotionally fragile state she is in. If she loses it totally, then Jalal has to share some of the blame. For a man, its easy to go look at other women, fall in love and take on many wives. For a woman the situation is hundred times harder and she is trapped in it with one man who cant understand where she comes from, let alone reciprocate her feelings. If he can understand Jodhas plight in ek hi boat mein savar then why not Rukus who has dedicated her life to one man who cant love her back but is yet possessive enough of her to want her loyalty?

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