Is it okay to betray someone for their own good?

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Posted: 12 years ago
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I started a thread last week about whether it was ethical to slip saanchi medicines... and I wasnt satisfied with the answers and then the thread sort of veered of in another direction, so am reposting the same question in a definitive format.

I think the real issue is about when is it okay to betray someone's trust vs. working in a person's best interests.

I mean obviously the shekhars are not trying to poison her or drug her for their own gain.

So if we leave saanchi out of the discussion, can we have a discussion just about the broader issue? Maybe that will give me some closure to the restlessness I feel about this issue.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Tinoo...
I would not like use the word "betray".
Its more of acting intelligently.
Since your particular question has arised after the incidence w.r.t Saanchi...I would only want to put in my views in this aspect.
I really do not know, how many doctors / psychiatrists would in reality advise such a thing...but based on the psyche of some patients, I feel, we need to deal with them accordingly
When one is reluctant to take medicines, till atlleast their mind is little softened towards medication, (upon realising that its for their own good), I do not see any harm in giving them same w/o their knowledge.
Let them do their intended work, once the patient is calmed, he / she would be in a better position to realize the importance of medicines...and will be ready to take them themselves.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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There is social stigma attached with mental illness and people actually do not agree that they have a problem and refuse to see a psychiatric unless the situation is too bad or they are forced to do so. It was expected that Sanchi will not accept that there is something wrong with her, still prescribing medicine without even seeing the patient is strange. And giving medicines mixed in food is stupid, if it was so easy to give the medicine in food (or milk as was shown in Uttaran), then why there are children s' medicines in with palatable taste and flavour added?
Sanchi is in a condition to take her own decisions, so it was better if she knew that she is being given some medicines. If it was impossible to let her know about the medicines, at least they should have let the doctor talk to her before prescribing the medicines.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I agree with Spuja. Psychiatric patients are like children. I have seen a few teenegers in my family
And extended family with this problem. They are very smart otherwise. They go and read up all
The side effects and refuse to take the medication. But the hospital procedures are also wrong.
One of nieces in Australia has the anxiety problem. When she goes for check ups they only
Question her and the parents are not allowed in since she is over 21. She just says every thing is ok
When it is not. We can not apply the same standard for ordinary patients to a mentally affcted
Patient. They are definitely not in position to make their decision on medication.these medications also
Causes discomfort and adverse changes in appearance. It is really sad what they go thru.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Jan50

I agree with Spuja. Psychiatric patients are like children. I have seen a few teenegers in my family

And extended family with this problem. They are very smart otherwise. They go and read up all
The side effects and refuse to take the medication. But the hospital procedures are also wrong.
One of nieces in Australia has the anxiety problem. When she goes for check ups they only
Question her and the parents are not allowed in since she is over 21. She just says every thing is ok
When it is not. We can not apply the same standard for ordinary patients to a mentally affcted
Patient. They are definitely not in position to make their decision on medication.these medications also
Causes discomfort and adverse changes in appearance. It is really sad what they go thru.


Is sanchi a psychiatric patient ?? 😲

She was advised to go for counselling by the doctor when when she was admitted in the hospital for attempting a suicide. But the truth is that she never attempted any suicide.

I think its completely wrong to give any medicine or tranquilizers to such people when nothing is wrong with them .. what anandi is doing is completely wrong.. Sanchi can sue her for that.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shinya


Is sanchi a psychiatric patient ?? 😲

She was advised to go for counselling by the doctor when when she was admitted in the hospital for attempting a suicide. But the truth is that she never attempted any suicide.

I think its completely wrong to give any medicine or tranquilizers to such people when nothing is wrong with them .. what anandi is doing is completely wrong.. Sanchi can sue her for that.


To sue Anandi, she will have to disclose that she never wanted to suicide and it was all drama to get Jagya back... Will Sanchi say such thing?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hmm. Since you've asked the question generally, I'll forget about Sanchi and approach it generally. I personally think that it really, really depends on the circumstances. But overall, I think that unless someone is not of sound mind, or is somehow intensely blinded or deluded by an issue, it's not generally OK to keep them in the dark for their own good.

That said, though, I do remember one situation in my own life where I was kept in the dark for my own good based on a morality with which I can't really argue. Basically, when I was still in school, my cousin, who lived in a different town, died in a car accident the night before my school prize-giving ceremony (at which I would be receiving prizes and performing). My dad flew off to Nairobi for the funeral, and my mum lied to me that he had been sent there urgently for work. The whole day, I sensed that something was off with my mum (she worked at the same school I studied at, so I would see her during the day), but she kept saying nothing was wrong. School closed at lunchtime due to the function in the evening, so we were at home in the afternoon, and our neighbours came over to offer their condolences. I was not in the room when they came over, and they went quiet after I entered. My mum still wouldn't tell me what was going on - she said they had just come over to say hello. I was slightly confused, but put it out of my mind. My mum and I went for the function in the evening and I performed and got my prizes. Only afterwards, when we got home, did she tell me about my cousin's death. On the one hand, I understand that she did this because a) she knew that I was nervous about my performance and did not want to give me emotional stress and cause me to mess it up, and b) she wanted me to enjoy receiving my prizes. So I don't blame her for doing what she did - in fact, I admired her bravery for being able to keep her feelings hidden throughout the course of the day. However, on the flip side it did cause me to feel guilty for not being able to properly read the signs, notice that something was seriously wrong, and demand an explanation. On some level, it made me question how good a daughter I was for not being able to recognise that my mother was in pain. But overall, I still support my mother's course of action in that particular situation.


However, in Sanchi's situation, I don't think putting medication in her food without her knowledge is OK, even though the Shekhars are obviously doing it with good intentions. As it is a prolonged course of action and not just a one-off lie, when Sanchi eventually finds out about it, which she is bound to, she will feel a much more acute loss of trust in her family, feel even more "ganged up against" and alienated, and hate Anandi bhabhi even more. And I wouldn't blame her, really... we implicitly trust the content of food/drink given to us by our loved ones - I think I'd feel awful if my mother went behind my back like that to give me medication rather than telling me straight up that I needed to take it and gently and calmly explaining to me why. Plus what gets me about Sanchi's case is that there is absolutely no real reason for them not to just go up to her and be like, "So we consulted the best psychiatrist in the city, and she has prescribed you this medication. It's clear to us that you are going through a hard time right now mentally and emotionally. We too have been deeply hurt by the things you have done which have brought shame to our family. As such, if you wish to earn back our trust, and overwhelmingly just for the good of your own mental state, we have decided that you must take this medication. Because your previous actions have caused us to lose faith in you, we will be keeping the medicine and giving the required dosage to you at mealtimes." End of story. Are they such bad parents, or so terrified of breaking their supposedly fragile princess, or so convinced that she would not listen to reason, that they can't approach the matter in a calm, sensible and upfront way?


So basically, in Sanchi's case, I would say that what her family are doing is not OK, because she is sane enough that her consent could have been asked, and the only reason why they are going behind her back in this way is because their parenting skills and ability to set boundaries totally stink.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Unless somebody is not unconscious/an infant/not of sound mind, others should not secretly impose decisions on that person. Honesty is the best policy. Actually the people who try to act on somebody's behalf should introspect and find out the real issue. Problem is with the other person or problem is with communication or problem is with self (why do you want to insist upon something which the other party disagree?). Look within for answers.






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Posted: 12 years ago
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When you take a decision secretly for a grown up person, the basic issue is, you think you can take a better decision than the other person. You think you know best. You think you need to control the other person. You think the other person should adopt your believes on morality/principles/outlook. You think you cannot take the other party into confidence. You don't have confidence in their decision making. So actually the problem is with you.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: brick_red

When you take a decision secretly for a grown up person, the basic issue is, you think you can take a better decision than the other person. You think you know best. You think you need to control the other person. You think the other person should adopt your believes on morality/principles/outlook. You think you cannot take the other party into confidence. You don't have confidence in their decision making. So actually the problem is with you.


brick_red, this is brilliant!!!

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