Jalaal-Jodha: Mazhab nahin sikhaata. - Page 7

Originally posted by: MoronsKiMallika

<font color="#000033">Woh toh heights thi yaar.😆...Ek toh Jodha waise hi dukhi thi and on top of that Jalaal did another googly and how.</font>

I guess Jalal was upset as Jodha was saying she would prefer to die than touched by him. So he became angry and didn't clear anything. Ulta said this thing 😆 .I guess they will reveal it after sometime.

Well said Vicky..I always felt JA did a good job at promoting religious tolerance..Am not sure what to think of today's episode😕 I liked what Jalal said though..But yeah, its sad that he had to prove himself and his faith in the religion..That said, i really really hope Jalal takes a stand and refuses the conversion..Religion is personal and it shouldn't be forced upon anyone..I know this show is set in the 16th century but i'l be really proud of JA if Jalal takes a stand on this..I don mind Jodha volunteering to convert just to save Jalal's izzath but i want Jalal to stand firm and convince the others about how wrong it is to force a religion on an unwilling recipient..Moving on, i guess the suspense has been maintained about the previous night..Am pretty sure Jalal is just trolling and nothing happened in reality😆 But its good that he left Jodha thoroughly confused😆 On that note, i loved MA lashing out at Aadham Khan..Am glad she has that intense sense of loyalty towards Jalal and acknowledges all that he has done for them..Well, here is hoping they surprise me on Monday😆

Dear Vicki,

Your post today is nothing less than a cri de coeur against religious exclusivism and for religious tolerance and acceptance.

Here is what I had written on my own thread of today in response to a technical clarification from Sofna about butparasti and the difference between dua and sajda. You will see the overlap with part of what you have said here.

But the thing is that Jalal sees the noor of Allah in the Kali Maa. He is a Sufi at heart, and so he carries Allah in his heart with him. It does not matter to him where he is, or in what form the Divine is perceived. To be like that, one has to be truly enlightened.

I am nowhere near being enlightened, and I am a staunch Hindu, but I can pray with equal fervour in a mosque or in a church as well as in a temple. It does not matter to me which holy place it is. The faith of the believers is what matters, it sanctifies the place of worship. .

This said,I am also quite pleased that my take on the butparasti issue in my Gordian Knot post has turned out to be surprisingly correct. I was perhaps the only one here to raise that issue and not many agreed with me then about the serious potential risk Jalal ran because of his gesture. Ela was one of the very few who understood how serious it could become."

Your comments are enlightened, Vicki, but they would not apply to most people in that era - the liberal examples we are shown in this serial must belong to a distinct minority - and so that makes Jalal's explanation that he is still a good Muslim in the real sense of the term far more realistic than a statement of full on sarva dharma samabhava would have been. The latter would have been distinctly anachronistic.

Even today, if one reads for example, the fulminations of the Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells against 'idolatrous heathens' , as they call Hindus, not to speak of Protestant-Catholic enmity and the savage conflict between them for centuries in Ireland, or the denominational hatreds even within Buddhism, one realises that true acceptance of all religions as true is quite rare even now. This has to be accepted and kept within reasonable limits, and not allowed to spill over into murderous strife.

Jalal surprised and delighted me, in fact he redeemed himself.

I was half afraid that he would tie himself into knots explaining what he did to save her life and what he did not do. I was delighted that he looked neither awkward nor hesitant when faced with a shrill Jodha, but instead put her in her place effortlessly with this Hum Shahenshah hain aur hum kuch bhi kar sakte hain mantra. I loved it!

Plus he did not indulge in chichorapan and tease her.

He was aloof and dismissive, stressing, in a cool putdown of her apparently taking it for granted that he is mad with desire for her, that he did whatever it was that he did only as a duty, which was a classic snub.

Next he made it clear that neither this time, nor the next time, if there was one, does he need her permission for doing whatever he thinks fit. I gave him a round of standing applause!

Your take on the Jalal vs Ulema scene is very interesting, you are a sharp observer. But I was so taken with the substance of it that I barely noticed these glitches.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: MoronsKiMallika

Hey,

Okay, I for one, have no clear idea what to say about today's episode . I mean, the Jalaal Versus Ulema portion. Religion is something very personal and one's relationship with God is even more personal. I don't want to comment on who was right and who wasn't. Because I didn't understand any argument at all. I am a Hindu by birth . I have equal respect for Hinduism, Islam., Christianity,Sikhism, Buddhism and all other religions - as long as they are routes to reach that one supreme power - Bhagwaan, Allah. Yeeshu, Budhh, Parmatma, Babaji - no matter what you call HIM. I pray at temples, masjids, churches , gurudwaras and everywhere the feeling is the same. I don't think bowing my head at a masjid or a church makes me any less of a Hindu. I see and feel the same Almighty everywhere irrespective of what priests , maulvis or monks say.

Religion is supposed to give you a faith that defines your way of life and marks your route to unite with God. The moment it teaches you that God is compartmentalized and makes you believe that another human-being is less of a human-being because he/she belongs to another faith , its religion no more. It becomes something else, totally.

So, all that "Who owns Islam" and how " Hinduism influence is a sin to Allah' jazz in today's episode was extremely disturbing to me. Worst being that a Muslim has to justify his relationship with Allah and a Hindu is being forced to convert to Islam. Am sorry, but religious fundamentalism makes me sick in the stomach and just reminds me why the world is such a colossal bloodshed.

Apart from that I have just two things to say about today's episode:

1. Jodha's response to 'what happened last night' with Jalaal has been put into layers by the creatives. She was furious and devastated at the onset but Jalaal's cold and riddle response has switched her off - and now, until she comes to know the truth , she has to keep on oscillating between various possibilities. She is looking as though her flame has died out.

2. The whole Jalaal versus Ulema scene was a BOTCHED UP JOB. Firstly, the cameraman , the editors and the creative on set and edit rooms need to be pulled up. Ashwini was not present during the shoot of the scene - they have used a body double whose face you can see so clearly during the entry. Ashwini has shot for this scene separately - and that is why you only have her closes. Hence, all reactions of Rajat, Paridhi are mismatched and wrong. Its a very very juvenile job at the edits. The post production creative head should be hung upside down by Ekta for such a big mistake. Even trainees don't do such mistakes.

That's it for today, from my side. 😊

Disappointed with yesterday epi,kya tha woh:-(:-):-):-):-(

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