Affirmative Action in India....

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Should there be affirmative action in India for the minority religions like the Muslims.... As we have for the scheduled castes and the Scheduled tribes which are socially and economically backward because of the years of discrimination they have faced...???
Should this extend to Muslims too... Keeping in mind the recent Sachar Commitee Report??

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Posted: 18 years ago
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i dont support any type of resevations except for girls bcoz they r really dominated and supressed a lot and they really need resevations to come forward.
besides SC/ST they were supreesed (which they r not now)as u said but y do muslims need it?they were not suppressed
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Posted: 18 years ago
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But the Sachar committee report says that the Muslims in India are in a pathetic state when compared to their Hindu and Christian counterparts.... They need some help to grow and progress at a decent pace....
Shouldn't the government take that into consideration??
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Posted: 18 years ago
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I advocate reservation for only Poor in India belonging to any caste, creed, religion or gender.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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BTW those who want to read

Sachar committe report

First, a recap of some of the stunning findings of the Sachar Report:

? less than 4% muslims graduate from school;

? contrary to right-wing calumny, only 4% go to madrasas, principally because in most areas of high of muslim concentration even primary state schools do not exist for miles; where they do exist, muslims invariably prefer to send their wards to them, even when the dropout rate of muslim children is much higher compared to other community wards due to "poverty" as these children are pressed into work by their indigent parents;

? the muslim share in government employment is 4.9% (against a population of 14%); in a state like West Bengal ruled by the Left Front, their representation in state Public Sector Undertakings is exactly zero percent!

? Among India's Security Agencies (viz., CRPF, CISF, BSF, SSB &c.) muslim representation is 3.2%;

? Just 2.7% are in place among District Judges;

? In towns that range in population between 50,000 and 2 lacs, muslim per capita expenditure is less than that of India's Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes! This is also the case in areas across West Bengal, Andhra Pradesh, Gujarat, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh;

? Not more than 3.% muslims are able to get subsidized loans, and only 1.9% benefit from the Antyodaya Anna Yojana Scheme (programme to prevent starvation among the extremely poor);

? Only 2.1% muslim farmers own tractors, and just 1% own hand pumps for irrigation;

? Here is another significant eye-opener: there is "substantial demand from the community for fertility regulation and for modern contraceptives"; over 20 million couples already use contraceptives; "muslim population growth has slowed down as fertility has declined substantially"; all that puts paid to the nefarious fascist propaganda that there has been a muslim conspiracy afoot since 1947 to reproduce mightily, and a danger that the Indian Hindus will be reduced to a minority!

? If muslims do outnumber majority hindus in any statistics, it is predictably as a proportion of the prison population (much like the blacks in America);

? Wherever muslims are spoken to they complain of suffering the twin calumnies of being dubbed "anti-national" and of being "appeased"; both accusations are perceived to be deeply calculated from ever allowing them to feel equal citizens of India;

? The Report also puts on record the little-recognized reality of caste hierarchies that have always existed among subcontinental muslims. Thus, the Ashrafs, Ajlafs, Arzals respectively correspond to the Hindu Swarns, Other Backward Castes, and Schedule Castes respectively. Although, untouchability of the kind that afflicts the Hindu social order does not exist among muslims, and although there is no bar to collective prayer in mosques, the reluctance to inter-dine and inter-marry is often only a concealed reality (1).

It should not be hard to see that these findings—and many others—take the wind out of right-wing Hindu myth-making about the muslim community in India, a reason why the BJP from day one has sought to oppose the very notion of setting up a Committee to unravel the facts of muslim existence in India.

Let me mention just three of the many path-breaking recommendations that the Sachar Report makes to the Prime Minister who set up the Committee:

--it recommends that 15% of all government funds be allocated to muslim welfare and development under all Central government schemes;

--it recommends the constitution of an "Equal Opportunities Commission" to look into the grievances of deprived groups and for the elimination of anomalies with respect to reserved constituencies under the delimitation scheme; in an interview that Justice Sachar gave to the media channel, CNN-IBN, he elaborated that the "Equal Opportunities Commission will have the power to pass order for compliance with it and to punish, either by compensation, or by other things for those who violate it. It has powers of adjucation and powers like a court." These are of course projected stipulations at this point.

--The Committee makes no recommendation of "reservations" for the muslim community per se, but suggests that those among them who approximate in terms of social and occupational status the scheduled and backward classes among Hindus be classified as Most Backward Castes and proferred the same benefits that relevant articles of the Constitution make available to counterparts among Hindus.

You can read it in detail

Read Sachar Committee Report on Social, Economic and Educational Status of the Muslim Community of India (6.5 MB / PDF file)

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Thanks for providing a copy of the report Maya! 😳 😃
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: swordfishh

But the Sachar committee report says that the Muslims in India are in a pathetic state when compared to their Hindu and Christian counterparts.... They need some help to grow and progress at a decent pace....
Shouldn't the government take that into consideration??

As far as I know Muslims are considered minority in India and they have reservation based on income range.

My friend who is a Muslim and very rich because her father was in Dubai showed a low income certificate (since her dad had business in Dubai there was no proof of his wealth) and she got admission to state MBBS examination even though her rank was much below mine.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maya_M

As far as I know Muslims are considered minority in India and they have reservation based on income range.

My friend who is a Muslim and very rich because her father was in Dubai showed a low income certificate (since her dad had business in Dubai there was no proof of his wealth) and she got admission to state MBBS examination even though her rank was much below mine.



Those are state wise policies which are formulated as per the whims and fancies of the state governments....
What I am talking about here is a uniform nation wide policy for the upliftment of minority communities that are socially and educationally backward... Especially Muslims...
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: swordfishh

Should there be affirmative action in India for the minority religions like the Muslims.... As we have for the scheduled castes and the Scheduled tribes which are socially and economically backward because of the years of discrimination they have faced...???
Should this extend to Muslims too... Keeping in mind the recent Sachar Commitee Report??

IMO noone deserves to get the advantage of reservation. The economically backward classes irrespective of their caste or religion can be helped through their studies by providing scholarship and full support from the side of the govt. But I don't believe they should be admitted even with less marks or given undue advantage in the job front.

The muslims ruled India for centuries, inspite of that if they are backward, then it's their fault. Why should the Hindus, Christians or other religions pay for the Muslim's lack of interest in studies??😕

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Thanks Maya. I think one is as suppressed as one wants to feel. This includes minorities, women whoever it is. Luckily, we have made enough progress as a society that there are organizations that will hear you and work with you if you are particularly suppressed.
If you evry well find the money to buy cheap alcohol & to watch movies, you should better shell out some for education. Poverty is a huge problem I cannot even begin to understand. I think that just by providing RESERVED seats, nothing gets resolved, neither poverty, not religious / racial/ sexual apartheid. Moreover, I have some friends belonging to SC/ST. They also graduated top of the class along with us and never looked out for reserved seats. Some taporis, more focussed on eve-teasing after college hours on the other hand, sometimes bragged about a sure seat in poona's BJ medical college.. Now that makes me question the solution called reservation. The really suppressed people do not focus on eve-teasing, do they?
Ofcourse this is just an example, and inadequate to form a logical reasoning. I reckon that.

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