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Posted: 12 years ago
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My dear Sangeeta,

You are welcome, and after reading this post, I am glad I did that.

A very perceptive and convincing analysis. I need to spare my wrist, so I will simply mark,in blue, the parts that specially appealed to me. As you can see, they are numerous.

Jodha is all that you say she is, but she is also kaan ki kachchi when it comes to Jalal, Even that Motibai once points out that Jalal might not even have known about all the misdeeds Jodha lays at his door, and for the daughter of a ruler, Jodha seems to have not even an inkling of this possibility,

Only one more point, when she matures, and eventually shifts her point of view re:Jalal, Jodha's very idealism will make her see and value the best points of his character all the more readily, and then work to build on them. .

Shyamala Aunty

Dear Mansi--I would have to agree with Shyamala Aunty in that your posts are always an insightful read. This one no less. And now with Aunty's rich response, it's become quite an interesting discussion. Worthy of it's own thread really...

I really enjoyed your theme about the wars, both external and internal, and I think that the internal wars will continue to rage for sometime. At least for me, that's the most compelling part of the show--Jalal's own internal war about his feelings for Jodha and continuing to confront the relationships around him; Jodha having to take off her rose-colored glasses in order to see the shades of grey and like you aptly put learn how to truly love someone (Jalal) and not just her idea of someone (Suryabhan). And that would probably be the one thing I would add to your analysis of Jodha, that she is an idealist in addition to being sheltered and naive.

And I would posit this idealism is different than just blind faith (though in Jodha's case they do go a bit hand in hand)...

She's an idealist that is not grounded in reality. Remember, she loves reading books and is very learned. She also had some speeches to Bharmal about how to properly rule and thanks to her intervention on the code of conduct towards prisoners she saved Abdul's life. I could picture her today as an ivory-tower academic almost--who at this point has a lot of theoretical knowledge, but lacks the life experience (and yes, practicality and pragmatism) which grounds ideas and ideals in reality bringing the depth needed to truly apply them to life.

I do believe her idealism will be a positive characteristic once the naivete is removed. Jodha, as Shyamala Aunty points out as well, has a strong core character that will cope with the changes coming to her. Eventually, she'll see the shades of grey and appreciate her husband while grasping a true understanding people and life; but I think what will still give her some charm and what will be something Akbar will appreciate will be her idealism (no longer blind idealism, but tested by time, experience and reality). I am not saying all her ideals are correct, but hopefully as she matures, so do they.

The discussion about Jalal as a ditherer and now preferring more subtle methods and S. Aunty's response to it also clears up some questions I had about Jalal's seemingly sudden change in character as well. It makes sense to me that he would've had the 'right stuff' within him all along--or else I just can't buy that he's suddenly ruling in such a different, less violently aggressive way as they first portrayed him. I like to also think that it's not just BK's absence that enables Jalal to start acting independently and with more subtlety, but even the final reconciliation and BK's death seemed to inspire Jalal to want to be the great shahenshah he was destined to be (I keep flashing back to that scene where he's praying after learning of BK's death). It seemed to me Jalal became more serious about his role as a shahenshah (what does that mean? how do I do it? what's the best means to rule, etc.) and I feel like that type of thinking is what makes him want to bring the Rajputs into the fold via marriage alliance vs. just slaughtering them on the battlefield.

Great post Mansi! Thanks for it. And thanks Aunty for bringing my attn to it and your brilliant reflections on it as well.

Sangeeta

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: jyoti06

As usual I m back with my Weekend Analysis thread 😃 ... One more week has gone by , and we r still waiting for Jalal and Jodha confrontation ...Hopefully next week both will definitely meet since the SBB/SBS segments give us all positive hopes of some interesting Jalal-Jodha confrontation next week before the marriage 😛

This week was a week of all high points in the show and so my take too will cover up all the interesting high points which I loved this week 😎...

all throughout the weekend i never get the chance to write in ur thread inspite of reading it ,laundry and house cleaning awaits😆,and now finally i get the chance to reply ..phewww,i have been waiting for this wedding from the time i laid my eyes on the first promo 😳😆 and hence i tolerated the nearly two months of everything else for the ultimate build up for this love story and the promos are so promising so is the show and JA



Death of Suryabhan followed by Mughals conquering Amer

I guess this was the major high point in the show this week and I must say the war between Mughals and Rajputs was really well shot in a grand way 👍🏼...Initially I thought it will b typical daily soap war with 2-3 horses and 5-6 men playing dandiyas with talwars 😆 but I was pleasantly surprised to see a large scale war on small screen with at least around 50 horses and 100 men 👏👏👏.. Even though those soldiers fighting with talwars looked a bit funny since none were trained and u can easily make out that the men who r fighting r spot boys 😆 but still I must give it to Ekta for taking efforts and spending a lot in terms of arms and ammunitions for the war 👏👏...

Even though death of Suryabhan was expected but I m glad that neither Jalal nor Sujamal was involved in Suryabhan's death 😃 ... Its Shariffuddin who not only takes charge of the war but he is also the main culprit in taking the brothers for hostage plus killing Suryabhan which means in future Jodha cannot blame Jalal or Sujamal for it and I m also sure that if Jalal was leading the war instead of Shariffuddin then he might not hv killed Suryabhan so brutally by attacking him from back which is against the ethics of war ... Jalal mayb cunning but he will never go against the rules of war and so he would hv never killed Suryabhan from back like a coward 😊... So I m glad that misleading war promo where Jalal is shown killing Suryabhan from back dint happen and instead its Shariffuddin doing this cowardish act about which I m sure Jalal had no idea since he mayb thinking Shariffuddin won Amer by following all proper rules of the war 🤔...

Jodha's reaction to Suryabhan's death was also fine by me because its natural for her to feel the initial shock and disbelief and then faint since she was least expecting this news .. Also she was not really head over heels in love with Suryabhan yet to go mad with his death ... Yes she loved Suryabhan because her marriage was fixed with him but she dint reach that stage yet where she will feel I too cannot live without him and thats why she was quick to control her emotions and get ready for war against Mughals in anger .. 👍🏼.. In fact I loved her spirit here the way she believed that we woman too can go to the battlefield and fight the Mughals which is much better than bowing down in front of them 👏👏...

I can understand Bharmal's dilemma here .. He cannot afford to loose his young Son and Bhanjas after loosing Suryabhan and at the same time he cannot see Mughals taking over his kingdom fully and then starting to exploit their Rajput women either ... He was in total dilemma because surrending will mean even the women in his family will loose all their dignity in front of those Mughals and then there is no guarantee that his son and Bhanjas will return alive either ...

The Mughal guy who helps Bharmal here because of their past history gave him the correct suggestion to go and meet Jalal because everyone among Mughals know that if someone follows the right principles and rules even in front of their enemies , then its none other than Jalal and also post Bairam Khan's death , we hv seen that Jalal has started following his own mind than listening to others ... I m sure even during this marriage alliance , Mahamanga will try to manipulate the situation but now Jalal knows that Mahamanga is not a clean woman either and so he will make this marriage alliance with Bharmal on his own terms and conditions making sure that Rajput's dignity is maintained too 👍🏼...

I m not sure how Jalal and Bharmal meeting will go but going by the promo , it seems Jalal will show total respect to Bharmal here because his main motiv ise to win Jodha by hook or by crook and mayb take revenge from her for putting the sword on his neck as said by Rajat in SBB/SBS today 😛... It remains to b seen how Jodha agrees for this alliance .. will Jalal convince her or will it b Mainavati and Bharmal themselves convincing Jodha to agree if she wants her brothers to come to them alive 🤔

Overall I loved the way CVs showed the entire War and Shariffuddin leading it but nowhere involving Jalal in Suryabhan's death 👍🏼...

i actually thought the suryabhan will be kept alive for future misunderstandings and get married to the sister for kabhi sister kabhi sauten track 😆 but maiyya surprised us by actually killing him with his head as witness ,so no chance of him returning from off the cliff😆..the war was funny but i do agree she did spend money on men and horses inspite of bad execution ,they indeed were playing dandiya only thing missing was Falguni Pathak 😆.Jodha respected and admired suryabhan because he promised her halal ka head and he was an ideal rajput king ,her affection did not transform yet to love for her to react that strongly to his death besides being the fact that she took the news as a true rajput princess who is aware of wars and lost lives be it ur brother ,husband or child..those were trying times for women and if we see recent episodes she seems mighty impressed by the king whom she assumes will get her jalal ka head unaware that it is halal with his head ,body and that evil smirk 😆...the whole turning point was suryabhan's death and then bharmal's dilemma and the ultimate alliance and now the much awaited wedding😳


Bairam Khan's death followed by Jalal's emotional outburst and Jalal-Salima marriage ...


For the first time we see Jalal having an emotional outburst after learning about Bairam khan's death 😭😭.. This one scene proved that Jalal indeed has a heart 😳... poor Ruqaiyya was completely taken aback seeing this emotional side of Jalal and she had no idea how to handle this new Jalal now 😆😆.. She preferred to handle the Harem politics over emotional Jalal 😆... This again goes on to show that Ruqaiyya is still a very immatured lady who prefers things the way they r but the minute there is a change around her , she goes all blank and prefers to run away from it ... When Jalal needed his wife the most , she was not around to wipe off his tears and this is where its clear that Ruqaiyya will never b able to make any place in his heart because she just does not know the way to a man's heart at all 😊

Mahamanga did get worried seeing this vulnerable side of Jalal and was quick to conclude that Jalal does hv a heart and even warned Ruquaiyya about it before its too late 😉...This particular scene of Mahamanga blasting off Ruquaiyya for not consoling Jalal , again proves that Mahamanga did hv some attachment for Jalal but its just that she also wants some power in her hand , reason why she is pushing her own son to go and prove himself so that she can marry him off to Jalal's sister which of course wont happen now 😆

Anyways now Jalal knows that Mahamanga has a hand in Bairam khan's killing which is another pleasant surprise for me since this is first time Ekta showed a vamp in the show getting exposed in front of the hero so soon and the hero is smart enough to keep the vamp in the dark making sure she does not know that he knows it all ..wowww 👏... Even though Jalal at present feels indebted to Mahamanga and so remains quiet despite knowing the truth , but at least now he will never blindly trust Mahamanga and will take his own decisions 👍🏼...

I loved the way Jalal silently plays his game against Mahamanga by marrying Bairam khan's wife Salima to make sure that Salima and her son's life is all secure and no Mahamanga or Adam khan can harm them 👏👏👏.. Its obvious that Mahamanga cannot do anything since Salima will b known as Jalal's wife now 👍🏼.. Its really good to see a thinking and intelligent hero for a change who trusts his people like the way he trusts Salima here instead of showing blind faith on Mahamanga 👏👏👏.. So in future too he will trust Jodha if she is honest and not the likes of Mahamanga or Ruquaiyya 😃

Also I feel post Jalal-Jodha marriage , we might see Salima and Jodha bonding and this is where Salima might tell Jodha about the positive side of Jalal 😳...

RT was brilliant in that scene ...his outburst and breakdown...MA ka ultimate game plan and ruqaiyya disappointed me ...i miss smiley's ruku...inspite of not much of an actress yet her ruqaiyya was more human and would never leave her best friend ,husband to rush off to solve some silly squabble in the harem...MA actually was right and forewarned her and as someone did say in this forum that Ruqaiyya herself will be gift wrapping Jalal and handing him over by her insensitivity and ambition and lack of even understanding that he does have a heart and ruqaiyya of all people should know that ,if AM could know it...his wedding to salima was a master stroke to counterattack MA without disrespecting her.Given now she is his wife ,no one can dare raise a finger at her or her kid ever...even i wish to see salima jodha bonding...she needs a friend in that marketplace of a harem with ladies ready to tear each others hair and eyes😆



Adam Khan ..The Fool 😆...Shariffuddin..The mastermind 😈

Well what can I say about this guy Adam khan .. He and his mother r in deep trouble now since all their plans hv gone kaput this week and I m so enjoying it 😆😆😆... Mahamanga was seeing dreams of marrying Jalal's sister so that she can get some Mughal power too and no more remains a slave but thanks to her dumb son , that golden opportunity is lost 😆😆.. Does Adam khan really think that Jalal will gift his sister for winning a random war especially the way he is going around molesting women after winning the war ... Oh well its better his mother stops him on time before Jalal reaches there and separates his head from his body in style 🤣😆...Problem with both mother and son is that both at times overthink on their plans and take things for granted , reason why they fall flat on their face

On the other hand , we hv Shariffuddin who proved that at times actions speaks louder than words and so he wins Amer without making any publicity of it and in return gets Jalal's sister even without asking for it 😎... The scene where Jalal and Mahamanga come face to face was quite a well directed scene and it was funny the way Mahamanga was so overconfident that Jalal is praising Adam khan's victory here and then gets clean bowled when Jalal is like ohh Adam too won some war kya , well good for him 😆😆 and then Jalal goes on to announce Shariffudin and his sister's wedding because Shariffuddin won Amer for him ..Poor Mahamanga ..overconfidence and taking Jalal for granted killed her and her son ka chances and I must say she deserved it too 😆😆

Having said that , I do feel bad for Jalal's sister since Shariffuddin is no less than Adam khan ... In fact I can say Shariffuddin is even more cunning and evil than the likes of Mahamanga or Adam khan and in future this Shariffuddin dude only will stand against Jalal in the climax war when I guess Sujamal will come to Jalal's rescue 🤔.. but all that has time ..

Adham Khan is the stupidest character with all brawn and absolutely no brains...how on earth is he MA ka son ,the woman is a mastermind😕😆...this time jalal spared him coz of MA but his days are numbered ,one more mistake which we all know he will do and it is off with his head...sharifu is a chamcha😆..his only aim is to please the shahenshah and thus earn the perks...this time he hit jackpot coz Amer was not just another riyasat but it was Jodha's place and thus he got Jalal what he wished for ...and this impressed Jalal so much that he gifted his sister to him ...Sharifu knows how to please his shahenshah and till now does not even dream of taking his place...but Adham Khan wants to be the Emperor which is what is his downfall...as MA said u cannot dream of such thing or jalal will wipe you off history itself again...how on earth did she give birth to and raise such a empty headed jerk😆


Marriage vs Death .. The Irony ...

I loved the way CVs symbolically showed the irony of Mughals and Rajputs this week 👏👏...On one side there r raining marriages and victories starting from Salima-Jalal marriage to Jalal's sister's marriage with Shariffuddin after all the victories and on other side we have raining deaths in Rajput territory starting from Suryabhan to so many other Rajputs ...Its an interesting irony that the day Suryabhan and Jodha were suppose to get married , same day we hv Jalal getting married to Salima to secure her future ...


But hats off to the Rajputs for still standing with their heads high amidst all the defeats and somewhere even Shariffuddin knows how he got the defeat by killing Suryabhan from back which is nothing but sheer cheating on their part ...

The biggest irony is yet to come .. that is Jalal and Jodha's marriage in the middle of all the deaths and enemities which will change history forever 😊...

satyvacchan indeed...am waiting for history to be created...and if surya and jodha had got married they would have spend the whole SR on various aspects of Jalal ka head ,of that i am sure😆


Overall this week was quite a happening one for me and there was hardly any negative point for me this week except the fact that I m still dieing to see Jalal and Jodha in same frame 😆😳... I m sure next week the main story will start with Bharmal-Jalal meeting followed by Jalal-Jodha confrontation and the marriage finally 😛


Even though many things were rushed up this week like the Salima-Jalal marriage or Mahamanga's real face coming out in front of Jalal or Mughals winning over Amer or Suryabhan's death or Shariffuddin's marriage with Jalal's sister or Jalal deciding to confront Adam khan and stop him or even this 15 days mini leap , but I m still not complaining since these r only build ups to the main story which is yet to start ..that is Jalal-Jodha love story 😃😃...I m sure CVs will take it slow once the main love story of Jalal and Jodha begins 😳😳...

i know ,this was all the build up for the main plot and did not seem random ...waiting waiting to see JA together in Agra trying to kill each other 😆 ..

Pheww thats it from me .. looking forward to all your views and takes on this week's episodes 😃


am so sorry for the late response ,love your analysis as always 🤗

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