Crisp Bytes SC - 5th July 13 - Page 7

Originally posted by: arshicritic

...I think so too, pride coupled with heartbreak will push Kumud into the marriage...

Originally posted by: arshicritic

Beautifully said Adiani, a man is judged by his actions, no matter what the emotions behind it, and so Saras is the bhagoda, and will have to live with the burden of this.

Yes much that is passed over as ordinary and mundane is actually strong and true and extraordinary, however, we often look for tradegy, trauma and torment before we brand anything as great.

The day Saras and Kumud unite to live happily ever after, we would unfortunately be no longer interested in their story, for then they would join the ranks of you and me, happily living our lives with our small joys and sorrows!

agree...

I guess its as the clever line goes: "Where you stand depends on where you sit."

1) If you have not been in love / are in the first flushes of love...you will love the heartbreak, the drama and want samud to be together...you would crave the high drama coz you haven't seen anything yet!...and curse the director, the new character etc. etc.

2) If on the other hand you have married the one you loved / married and then grew to love the one you married / lost the one you loved / lost the one you loved and now love the one you married and are wondering what an idiot you were earlier etc...you have graduated...
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..you would have realized that for true love to go deep it has to be nurtured carefully...there is compromise, there are a million small battles to fight (both alone & together) in which the partner's outlook / behaviour on a net-net basis (touchwood!) makes you love & respect him / her all the more..

...and this I think is arshi's point...it's mundane most of the time...also when sometimes it takes the form of drama in real life, one partner generally suffers the consequences when he supports the other on the issue that caused the drama...But still net-net he / she will do it anyhow because he / she loves the partner ...and that is more important...

Like the lines from the song Yeh Jeevan Hai from 'Piya Ka Ghar':
"Yeh Na Socho Isme Apni Haar Hai Ke Jeet Hai
Oose Apna Lo Jo Bhi Jeevan Ki Reet Hai
Yeh Zid Chodo, Yuh Na Todo
Har Pal Ek Darpan Hai
Yeh Jeevan Hai...

Dhan Se Na Duniya Se, Ghar Se Na Dwar Se
Saason Ki Dor Bandhi Hai, Preetam Ke Pyar Se
Duniya Choote, Par Na Toote, Yeh Aisa Bandhan Hai
Yeh Jeevan Hai..."


..for such people there is an element of practicality and deeper understanding of how the world works...and the first perception is why should these two be together? ...the guy did not stand up for her now...what will he do going forward? ...so is this a good idea?

NOW:
Why both #1 & #2 really want them to be together?

#1 >>> because they have not been bloodied by being in love...so they want the drama.
#2 >>> because they are the battle-scarred veterans who have lived love so to speak...and..
a) they want the hero to finally START taking a stand...cause there's more to come down the line...and stand lega to love rahega...
b) eventually by taking a stand / getting together the hero is also moving towards the higher class to graduation and becoming a better person like them. :-)

Personally, for the show I am open to all interpretations...it could be samud together or it could be like
- HDDCS...happy but no brainer filmy version
- Kabhie Kabhie...real life as it would actually play out version...melancholy, no abusive marriage, but the male (Amitabh) continues to carry a torch for his old flame (Rakhee), the old flame moving on and 'really' falling in love all over again with her husband (Shashi Kapoor)...who actually is a much better person than the old flame!

The original story (stripped of all the gyan elements) was like an incomplete / bad version of Kabhie Kabhie (abusive new husband, no children, widowhood etc.)...but the clear message was that there was no returning to the old state...it was gone...never to return...and you were sort of stuck with the choice you made...THEREFORE the importance of getting into the habit of getting the stand from the beginning itself!

Here... I guess they will follow the story track and move towards the worse-off Kabhie Kabhie version but will probably get these two guys together in the end...

Originally posted by: Adiani

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Just a thought..

How much we love Samud here..but why?

A husband, a boyfriend breaks Himalayan promises.. one finds them at every street corner.

A wife, keeps taking back her abusive husband.. We brand them as doormats.

I'm amazed at human psychology that everyone wants Samud back..pleading Kumud to wait for him...

Why? What makes us believe in eternal love of theirs..I guess I'm yet to see the eternal love unfolding further. I hope I may change my perspective.

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Originally posted by: happychappy

It is precisely because they showed the Saras-Kumud love story the way they did, that we are here at all, discussing these "serious" matters threadbare!!! It is because Saras was not a man who treated or would treat Kumud as a doormat, that we root for him! Yes he has broken promises, but he has also been shown to be in brain-dead state of trauma that looks logical by soap-standards. When he was in his right mind, he did stand up to Gumaan for Kumud, he kept vrat for Kumud! and took great risks! to go to RN just to see Kumud on KC night!

If viewers did NOT want Samud back, that would mean SLB/Team SC failed in their job. That we care and that we want them back is a compliment to SLB/Team SC! The web of eternal love that they wove, which we may have found a bit sickly sweet at that time, was obviously effective, it did the job, looks like , to me!

@hgg,

luv u jenny as kumud u made me cry grl.hate u saras,u r too selfish

I like the way this CB thread esp. Hgg-bhai's posts and Arshi's has tossed around the stereotypes of the "love story", how each new version is essentially a permutation of the same old same old choices... And yet, the style and nuances of each retelling can be so engrossing that we get so involved in the fiction, never think its an old story, but look on it with fresh eyes, relate it to our own experiences... and identify with the characters.

Originally posted by: happychappy

I like the way this CB thread esp. Hgg-bhai's posts and Arshi's has tossed around the stereotypes of the "love story", how each new version is essentially a permutation of the same old same old choices... And yet, the style and nuances of each retelling can be so engrossing that we get so involved in the fiction, never think its an old story, but look on it with fresh eyes, relate it to our own experiences... and identify with the characters.

Wonder if SLB picks and chooses from his creative store cupboard, three slivers of Kabhie Kabhie, two pinches of HDDCS, one spoon of Saawariya, a dash of Parineeta, a sprinkle of Devdas?? The basic choices are few but the ways of presentation are endlessly creative...

Hope Team SLB can find a resolution at the end of this particular story that will please most of us...😉 Quite a task, given they have the albatross of the adaptation on their shoulders!

In the first four months, in addition to the casting bonanza and scripting highlights, they have mostly hit the right spots in terms of presentation, and made two heart-stoppingly foolhardy choices on the story, so that's promising at the least.

We need to give them special brownies for that achievement in the middle of a steep TV learning curve (for SLB himself) and lots of churn (in the crew).

yes happychappy,,

takes your breath away when you realize that doesn't it?...the formula the film industry keep on talking about!

but i guess it also points out that fundamentally we all gravitate to the same things that makes us happy...a sort of return to the mean in the long run..fundamental laws of nature so to speak..

also like your take on SLB and his team...I get the feeling sometime very recently, they have
decided to chuck getting bothered by trps and decided to do what makes them happy!

touchwood!!

@hotdogg: while my cynicism was worthy of brickbats, I get a beautiful insight into aspect of human psyche.. A salute to you..
@Arshi: you have unwittingly taken the mantle of moderator and convener of the group, I appreciate you for that.
@happychappy: complete marks to cinematic portrayal of Samud.
I guess here we still empathize with the story, as Saras's love is not lost: but nurturing his responsibility is lost:, which should go together. Imagine he loves his children, but doesn't nurture them.. He is paying for that as Hotdogg suggested.