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Dear Ela,
It does not matter at all if we do not agree on this or on anything else, all that matters is that we have a civilised discussion, without any up(wo)manship, I think, honestly, that you underestimate yourself. You have a positive flair for zeroing on the crucial points, but of course these can be interpreted differently, like the varied patterns you see in a kaleidoscope, depending on the angle of vision.
I will comment only on two points here. What could Vrinda have made Jalandhar do at this point? If she had forced him to release Parvati, and he had been killed, could she have lived with that? She is trying to make the best of a bad situation in a practical way; for he is her husband plus she loves him, and she cannot walk away from him as Shukracharya can and did.
As for Shukracharya, he stands in loco parentis to Jalandhar, and yet he does nothing to set him right while there is still time. He could have done it, as I had stressed in my previous post, if he had done much earlier what he did in the maya lok, given Jalandhar's crippling emotional dependence on him. But he fails to act in time, and now, when the chips are down, he simply walks away. No parent abandons a child no matter what the child has done, and moreover, what Jalandhar has done is in no way comparable to the crimes that Indra commits time and again, and gets away with too.
Plus, it is only Shukracharya's incredible folly in handing over the maya astra to Jalandhar, without putting any safeguards on its use or even asking him what he proposes to do with it, that precipitates the present crisis. Why does he not refuse it to him? A responsible mentor does not hand over a loaded gun to an obstinate, wayward pupil.
I would not say that Jalandhar insults his guru, he is always formally polite even if he does not adopt the feet touching kind of humility, and when his guru orders something he does it. The problem is rather that Shukracharya has too much veneration for the ansh of his aaradhya to really read him the riot act when needed. So, for Jalandhar, the habit of having his own way sets in, as with a spoilt child.
He should have been properly instructed about the Tridev in general and Mahadev in particular, and about Mahadev's fairness towards the asuras. And he should have been told early on about his guru being a Mahadev bhakt. Leaving him to find out these things from illwishers like Indra was bound to be disastrous, and this should have been forseen by Shukracharya. He suddenly loses credibility with his shishya, for he cannot prove a negative, that his Shiv bhakti does not impinge on his having Jalandhar's interests foremost in mind.
Vrinda is far more candid and effective with Jalandhar, before and even after marriage. Before, she is blunt and forceful, after, she is gently persuasive. But she keeps at it, and she does have some impact.
Well, brevity is a virtue I have never managed to acquire! You are very kind, my dear, to put up with my ramblings, but I must call a halt to this here.
About the curious closure of my thread and its reopening, more of that later. It was a useful experience, and proof positive that a sense of humour is a rare commodity around here. For someone like me, incurably frivolous and given to laughing at myself and at many things, this makes life a tad difficult. I was thinking of quitting, for I came here only a month ago and that only because of the Jalandhar track, and I was not likely to be very active once it is over. But so many young people PMed me so sweetly that I had to stay. That was really touching, seeing that they hardly know me. It was humbling.
Take care and see you soon for another round of our friendly matches!
Shyamala
It does not matter at all if we do not agree on this or on anything else, all that matters is that we have a civilised discussion, without any up(wo)manship, I think, honestly, that you underestimate yourself. You have a positive flair for zeroing on the crucial points, but of course these can be interpreted differently, like the varied patterns you see in a kaleidoscope, depending on the angle of vision.
I will comment only on two points here. What could Vrinda have made Jalandhar do at this point? If she had forced him to release Parvati, and he had been killed, could she have lived with that? She is trying to make the best of a bad situation in a practical way; for he is her husband plus she loves him, and she cannot walk away from him as Shukracharya can and did.
As for Shukracharya, he stands in loco parentis to Jalandhar, and yet he does nothing to set him right while there is still time. He could have done it, as I had stressed in my previous post, if he had done much earlier what he did in the maya lok, given Jalandhar's crippling emotional dependence on him. But he fails to act in time, and now, when the chips are down, he simply walks away. No parent abandons a child no matter what the child has done, and moreover, what Jalandhar has done is in no way comparable to the crimes that Indra commits time and again, and gets away with too.
Plus, it is only Shukracharya's incredible folly in handing over the maya astra to Jalandhar, without putting any safeguards on its use or even asking him what he proposes to do with it, that precipitates the present crisis. Why does he not refuse it to him? A responsible mentor does not hand over a loaded gun to an obstinate, wayward pupil.
I would not say that Jalandhar insults his guru, he is always formally polite even if he does not adopt the feet touching kind of humility, and when his guru orders something he does it. The problem is rather that Shukracharya has too much veneration for the ansh of his aaradhya to really read him the riot act when needed. So, for Jalandhar, the habit of having his own way sets in, as with a spoilt child.
He should have been properly instructed about the Tridev in general and Mahadev in particular, and about Mahadev's fairness towards the asuras. And he should have been told early on about his guru being a Mahadev bhakt. Leaving him to find out these things from illwishers like Indra was bound to be disastrous, and this should have been forseen by Shukracharya. He suddenly loses credibility with his shishya, for he cannot prove a negative, that his Shiv bhakti does not impinge on his having Jalandhar's interests foremost in mind.
Vrinda is far more candid and effective with Jalandhar, before and even after marriage. Before, she is blunt and forceful, after, she is gently persuasive. But she keeps at it, and she does have some impact.
Well, brevity is a virtue I have never managed to acquire! You are very kind, my dear, to put up with my ramblings, but I must call a halt to this here.
About the curious closure of my thread and its reopening, more of that later. It was a useful experience, and proof positive that a sense of humour is a rare commodity around here. For someone like me, incurably frivolous and given to laughing at myself and at many things, this makes life a tad difficult. I was thinking of quitting, for I came here only a month ago and that only because of the Jalandhar track, and I was not likely to be very active once it is over. But so many young people PMed me so sweetly that I had to stay. That was really touching, seeing that they hardly know me. It was humbling.
Take care and see you soon for another round of our friendly matches!
Shyamala
Originally posted by: elasingh
Shyamala it is always a pleasure to read ur post...You write so well...I dont have half ur talent... ...but dear I disagree with you...I feel Vrinda should have taken a stronger stand ...Just not looking at him is not enough...As far as Sukracharya is concerned , he did everything for Jalandhar...Made him a king ...But jallu didnt respect him...He kept insulting his Guru as Suku said in their convo that their ways had parted long back but he took time in accepting it...How hurt he must have felt by Jallu's behaviour...He was completely right in leaving Jallu...
Shyamala I know you like him and I did too...but only till he went for abduction of Paro...I was also suprised that ur thread was closed...but it is open now. Congrates...
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