India Shining : Do You Agree?

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Days are back, Again India will be know as Golden Bird (Hindustan: Sone ki chidiya)

India is really shining, the statistics clearly proves it

    GDP growth is estimated at a stunning 8 percent-plus. Foreign exchange reserves are at over $103 billion. The stockmarket is going through the roof crossing mark of 13,500 .....and so on.. Check out the mushrooming malls, improving telecom connectivity, booming industry, millions of Job opportunities, fattning salaries, high standard of living and lot more.... The government has ambitious plans to link rivers, to build superhighways -- both concrete and wireless, criss-crossing the nation. A South Asia Free Trade Agreement has been created. Green signal to Indo-US Neculear deal. Billion doller Investments from Fortune 100 companies.
  • Plus radical economic and strategic pacts with the United States, the European Union, and Southeast Asia.

There is no better time to be an Indian, Is this statement is really true? Do you think that India is emerging as a superpower & we are capable enough to sustain this pace of growth?

On the other side

    Global corporations cite corruption, red tape, high inflation, poor laws and an infirm infrastructure as reasons for their not wishing to invest in India. Opposition parties call it a pre-election gimmick. Economists say many million Indians still do not have access to potable water, electricity, decent housing or even good roads. And literacy rates are appalling.
  • Foreign policy pundits compare India unfavourably with China's phenomenal rate of growth and environmentalists point to the growing ecological ravages due to unchecked industrial growth.

Is India really shining?

Why do you think so?

What does India need to do to become an economic superpower?

Your Opinion matters !!!

Anurag Mishra (www.anuragmishra.co.nr)

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Posted: 19 years ago
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On the other side
  • Global corporations cite corruption, red tape, high inflation, poor laws and an infirm infrastructure as reasons for their not wishing to invest in India.

We cant remove corruption overnight. it'll take years but according to me our today's youth understand that there should be no corruption, no red tape, no reservation ( but not government😡). and I just heard that in latest survey of curruption, India's position improved than before and its great👏

Inflation : Whole world is facing inflation, even develop countries. so its not only India

Laws : I'll say its only drawback but our govt should understand it.but I'll also say there is more awarness in ppl than before. we see during Jessica Lal case & most important Mattu case which got justice ( der aaye darust aaye)

so I dont think it effects invesment in India and I never heard that they are not wishing to invest in India.India is worlds' biggest market and these drawbacks will not effect invesment for sure , not even did in the past

  • Opposition parties call it a pre-election gimmick.

yeh to unka kaam hai 😆.

Economists say many million Indians still do not have access to potable water, electricity, decent housing or even good roads.

Thats true but India is so big it'll take time but I think now its high time for more improvement of backward areas ( they are still improving slowly).but it doesnt mean that India dont have money or sources but there is need to use these in proper way. some ppl in India dont have food but it doesnt mean that there is a shortage of food, India have enough food for every Indian but again need to use it in proper way and that is our govt's responsibility.

but still we cant ignore our acheivement which u have mentioned.

acheivements are more than brawbacks👏

    And literacy rates are appalling.
  • Foreign policy pundits compare India unfavourably with China's phenomenal rate of growth and environmentalists point to the growing ecological ravages due to unchecked industrial growth.

I'll comment later on this

Is India really shining?

yes India is really shining bcz if we compare indian economy with latest years it has been improving while facing curruption, poverty,unemloyment and that highly remarkable👏

Why do you think so?

Every country have such problem but inspite of all this our economy is growing and its so difficult for a big country, who is facing corruption, red tape, poverty & unempoyment, to survive but India is not only surviving but going to become superpower.India's economy is world's fastest growing economy.we r facing such problem frm the time of our independence so these'll take time to vanish but its only Indians who can help to remove these barriers in India's growth,then no one can stop us to become world power.

What does India need to do to become an economic superpower?

Good and corruption free government. i think if govt is corruption free then the whole nation is corruption free, then there will be no corruption, more money in our economy,proper distribution of sources, obey of rules (including traffic rules ), more awarness in backward ppl about education and many more things. actually each and every small thing can distribute in a countries economy.

so yes I agree India is shining and still " Sone Ki Chidiya"

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Well the same campaign-'India Shining' 😆 led to the downfall of the BJP Govt.

There is definitely progress & growth in certain sectors but it is lopsided. And to stop the embezzelment of public funds by Political leaders and bureaucrats and rightfully spend into concrete development and needful facilities for the real masses.

The Industrial growth is only making the rich richer but neglecting the rural infrastructure and growth leading the poor farmers into committing suicides.

Another strange dichotomy is the diverting a big portion of the education budget to create and run sophisticated universities and leaving millions of Indians without basic education.

And the GOvt has to generate employment esp in the manufacturing though with the high tech machinery there is less need for man power. But the manufacturign sector has to absorb the manpower. Need for labour laws reform, yeah the CPI ANd CPI-M will start a 'morcha' but the delicate stand has to be taken.
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I will come back later with good reply.
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First of all ANURAG MISHRA ji!!

WELCOME TO DEBATE MANSION.

Its really a good topic.I'm optimistic person.I feel India is Shining!!! The thing is there is lot of gap between developing and underdeveloped persons.there are tons of peope who still don't have basic aminities,ofcourse there are thousands of people whose life style,income levels improved tremendously but still India is lagging behind in the basic necessities like food,health and education.

I found an interesting article,I will post this for all the friends of India Forums:

This is very very old article but thepoints in it are relevant today also:

Is India a science superpower?

MEERA NANDA
On the radical disconnect between the dreams of becoming a science superpower and the grim reality of mind-numbing superstitions and life-threatening pseudo-sciences that pervade all levels of society.
"THE next century belongs to India, which will become a unique intellectual powerhouse... capturing all its glory which it had in millennia gone by," declared Dr. Raghunath Mashelkar, Director General of India's Council of Scientific and Industrial Research in Science earlier this year. Thomas Friedman, The New York Times columnist and author of the recent bestseller The World is Flat, agrees that India, with its talented, yet low-cost brainpower, is on its way to becoming the "innovation hub" of the global economy. Not to be outdone, the British weekly, New Scientist, has dubbed India the world's emerging "knowledge superpower". On a recent visit to New Delhi, I found that many Indian scientists have bought into this hype. Indian science, I was told by my friends from my old microbiology-biotechnology days, has "taken off", and only "the sky is the limit". My old classmates, grey-haired professors and researchers now, have the air of quiet confidence that comes with recognition in their chosen profession. And why not? Information and biological technologies are the twin engines pulling India's economy. At a time when global corporations come courting Indian scientists and engineers not just for drudge work, but for advanced research and design as well, all this talk about India as a "science superpower" does make sense. What does not make sense, however, is the radical disconnect between the dreams of becoming a science superpower, and the grim reality of the mind-numbing superstitions and life-threatening pseudo-sciences that are thriving at all levels of society. Indian scientists may well be the most sought-after workers in the global economy, but many behave as if what they do inside their laboratories has nothing to do with the supernatural and/or spiritual "truths" that pass as "scientific" explanations of natural phenomena in the rest of society. If anything, corporate science and technology is only adding to the ruthlessness of the global capitalist economy, which feeds the existential anxieties that feed on obscurantism. Do I exaggerate? Here is a report on the six weeks I spent in northern India this summer: In early May, throughout the countryside in northern India, thousands of children, mere girls and boys, were married off on Akshay Trithiya, a day considered astrologically auspicious for marriages and other new ventures. A social worker who tried to prevent child marriages had her hands cut off, allegedly by those bent on defending their hoary traditions. There are, of course, many complex social and economic reasons why child marriages still persist in India in significant numbers. But these secular motives come with the full blessings of our priests and astrologers who have declared the bright sun and the moon on the third day of the month of May to be auspicious for new ventures, including child marriages, which are supposed to bring good karma to the parents of the child brides. Meanwhile, astrology was getting a corporate makeover to appeal to the "modern", urban middle-classes, who were being bombarded with advertisements by the World Gold Council to celebrate the "auspicious" alignment of the stars by buying some more gold jewellery. If you thought that scientists, especially space scientists, would have something to say regarding the astrological logic underlying popular traditions, well, think again. While the country was gearing up for Akshay Trithiya, India's top space scientists were busy seeking the blessings of Lord Balaji at the Tirupati temple for a safe launch of the Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle. A miniature model of the rocket was laid in the sanctum sanctorum of the temple and prayed over by priests in the presence of 15 scientists. Scientists, who have not let go their own security blanket of gods, can hardly be expected to question the comforting but false illusions astrologers sell to ordinary people. Meanwhile, the many satellites that India's space agency has launched in the past were busy beaming television programmes selling unsubstantiated health benefits of yoga and Ayurveda, delivered in a heady brew of spiritualism and Hindu nationalism. India's most popular tele-yogi, Swami Ramdev, offers his Divya Yoga on television. Interspersed with the swami's calls for awakening "desh kaa svabhiman" (national self-respect) by teaching "crore saal purana vigyan" (science dating back ten million years), one finds totally unsubstantiated claims about the power of yogic postures, deep breathing and his own Ayurvedic concoctions for every ailment known to humankind including cancer, heart disease, diabetes, glaucoma and obesity. What is Ramdev's standard of evidence? A headcount of those attending his camps, who profess to have been cured by the yogic exercises he teaches. What is his view of human physiology? It centres on the ancient notion of prana, or vital energy, which modern biology completely discarded more than a century ago. (An aside: those who think Hindu nationalism is in retreat need to pay attention to TV-gurus like Ramdev - the Hindu equivalent of American televangelists. They are clearly injecting Hindu chauvinistic themes into their "spiritual" teachings.) What is remarkable is that all these reason- and evidence-defying traditions come wrapped in the fancy dress of "science". On my visit to Chandigarh, my hometown, I heard an Arya Samaj preacher exhort devotees at an open-air public discourse held outside my house (with loudspeakers set at full blast) to "read the ancient Vedas to learn all the sciences known to humanity". He was discoursing on how to succeed in the modern world with its prized high-tech jobs. Astrology, yogic ideas of prana and kundalini and even the ideas of reincarnation, karma and varna (that is, caste order) are justified in the language of modern physics and evolutionary biology. All these ancient metaphysical speculations are proclaimed to be "vedic sciences" (that is, empirically testable and logical within the metaphysics of the Vedas) and they are supposed to have been belatedly rediscovered by modern science. What we have here is pseudo-science in its purest form, that is, religious dogma, lacking rigorous scientific evidence and plausibility dressed up as science. NOW here is why I find the whole situation very troubling. On the one hand, there are countless gurus - from popular tele-yogis like Ramdev to elite, Sanskrit-speaking teachers of Vedanta - all eager to take on the prestige of modern science for an essentially spirit-based cosmology derived from the Vedas. On the other hand, India has literally an army of PhDs, many with advanced training in the most cutting-edge fields of natural sciences who, rare exceptions aside, refuse to stand up and draw a principled distinction between natural science and spiritualism. If the scientific community has not stood up for scientific reason, neither has the intelligentsia. Indeed, leading public intellectuals in India have generally taken a postmodernist stance of suspicion towards modern science. They have been more concerned with revealing the Orientalist and capitalist prejudices in science, than with using it to demystify the many dangerous and irrational beliefs that make up the commonsense of many of our fellow citizens. My conversations with my old scientist friends confirmed my worries. When I brought up my misgivings about the continuing hold of astrology, I discovered that I had touched a raw nerve: some of my friends had been consulting soothsayers. Then there were those who defended the right of Vedic astrologers to carry on their "research", as if there were legitimate puzzles still left to be solved after so many centuries of falsification of each and every tenet of astrology. In another conversation, I happened to bring up the issue of space scientists praying over a satellite launch vehicle. My colleagues treated the news as the routine business of running a laboratory and recounted similar instances. I learnt of yagnas being done in the laboratories of a major university to ward off ghosts; I learnt of jagrans being held on university campuses, presided over by the members of the science faculty. My friends saw nothing particularly objectionable to such compartmentalisation between the work you do as a scientist and what you do in the rest of your life outside the laboratory. But what happens when what you do outside directly contradicts and negates all that you know as a scientist, I asked. How do you live with the contradictions of praying to supernatural forces for the safety of a rocket that you have fashioned out of your own hands without invoking anything but natural forces? Where, in modern physics and astronomy, is there room for a supernatural power that listens to our prayers? Or for that matter, where in modern biology is there any evidence whatsoever for immaterial spiritual energy, prana, that is routinely treated as an actual force of nature in the discourses of our yogis and gurus? Forget about their personal faith in God, I argued with my friends, but should Indian scientists not strive to apply scientific methodology to at least those aspects of traditional spiritual-medical practices that step directly into the turf of modern science and medicine? Should Indian scientists not at least challenge the unsubstantiated and misleading health claims that are being made for yoga and Ayurveda? Should they not insist upon stringent double-blind tests of the concoctions Ramdev sells through his Divya Yoga business empire, for example? Yes, that would be good, my friends responded, but I am demanding too much. We are already too busy writing research papers, running the laboratories, training students and publishing papers, they said. And then, perhaps irritated by my rationalist prodding, my friends threw down the gauntlet. All societies have their superstitions, they told me. Look at America, they admonished me. If America, a country awash in superstition, can claim the mantle of a science superpower, why cannot India? A fair question. It is true that nearly 40 per cent of Americans believe in the literal truth of the Bible. Under the current administration of George W. Bush, regrettably, conservative evangelical Christians have been given a free rein to inject Christian ideas of God and morality into science education, medical research and health policy - a situation not very different from how the Bharatiya Janata Party sought to Hinduise science education and research when it was in power. It is also true that New Age irrationalities, from astrology, crystals, auras, Feng Shui and Vastu Shastra, reincarnation and past birth regressions are all gaining new adherents in America and Europe. But this dismal state of affairs in America hides a more complex reality. Polling data show a far lower level of belief in God among American scientists than the levels that prevail among the general public. Indeed, the 1998 poll of the members of the National Academy of Sciences revealed that only 5.5 per cent of biologists and only 7.5 per cent of physicists believed in God. The numbers believing in immortality of the soul were also in single digits for most scientists. Indeed, the very idea of NASA scientists holding prayer services before space shuttle launches is inconceivable in America. What is more, American scientists remain far more actively engaged in public debates about religion, ethics and the standards of evidence and truth. Well respected scientist-scholars like (the late) Stephen Jay Gould, Richard Dawkins (from Britain, but read widely in America), Edward O. Wilson, Daniel Dennett, Steven Pinker, William Provine, Robert Pennock, Paul Gross and a host of others are giving the Christian creationists a run for their money. Well-respected scientists including Steven Weinberg (a Nobel Laureate), Noam Chomsky, Alan Sokal, Paul Gross and Norman Levitt have intervened in the academic debates about the nature of scientific evidence and how it differs from other ways of knowing. Likewise, vigilant voices from within the medical profession have consistently demanded rigorous experimental checks on the claims of corporate and complementary medicine. So, yes, there is pseudo-science in the United States, and plenty of it. But there are well-respected, serious, engaged voices from within the scientific community in significant numbers who are fighting pseudo-sciences and religious obscurantism every step of the way. If India wants to become a genuine "science superpower", Indian scientists will have to do much more than just get integrated into the global pecking order of corporate research and development. They will have to develop a genuine culture of open, fearless questioning and experimentation within their laboratories and in the larger culture outside the walls of the laboratory. This will require an overhaul of science education so that science is not treated as merely a matter of rote learning of technical formulas, but is integrated into a new secular understanding of nature and life. It is not enough for the institutions of higher learning in India to produce doctors and engineers who can perform well in the West, or in the IT/BT jobs imported from the West. They must produce critical thinkers who are engaged with larger issues that affect the cultural climate of their societies. Until then, India will remain the "pseudo-science superpower" of the world.

Meera Nanda obtained a Ph.D. in biotechnology from the Indian Institute of Technology, New Delhi, before moving on to the field of philosophy of science. She is currently a research fellow of the Templeton Foundation.

https://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2219/stories/2005092300210 9200.htm

Cheers,

Mythili

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India takes on the world: Time

Wednesday, November 22, 2006

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Washington: Ending decades of isolation Indian companies have returned to global commerce while India-born business executives are climbing the corporate ladders at well-known multinationals, some to the highest rungs, American newsmagazine Time reports.


Indian companies, flush with cash from a booming domestic economy, are prowling for overseas acquisitions to expand their footprints, it says, taking note of last month's $8.1 billion bid by Tata Steel for Anglo-Dutch steel manufacturer Corus and other such deals.


In the first 10 months of 2006, Indian companies cut more than $10 billion worth of cross-border deals, up from about $1 billion in all of 2000, notes the Asia edition of the magazine.


Citing Dealogic, which tracks global M&A activity, Time said Indian companies have this year spent twice as much on overseas acquisitions as foreign companies have invested in India.


"There is a real bullishness" among the leaders of Indian industry, it quotes Sabeer Bhatia, the India-born Co-Founder of Hotmail, the Web-based email system acquired by Microsoft in 1997, as saying.


"Every Indian CEO is looking outwards to see how he or she can expand their own base and expand into newer markets."


Besides having deep pockets, many Indian companies have been around for decades; they have got experienced managers who are confident in their ability to run large and complex organisations.


"They're not like start-ups," says Bhatia, "so they say, you know, our balance sheet is actually stronger than some of our counterparts in London or Europe or America. We might as well buy these brands and make use of our low-cost manufacturing base to branch out into other markets outside of India."


Indian businessmen are proving to be unusually adept in the international arena. It helps that millions of them already speak English. India is also a free-market democracy with a legal system that, though frustratingly slow, is easy for Westerners to understand, Time notes.


The country has longstanding cultural and trade ties with the rest of the world, which adds "a comfort factor" to its business dealings overseas, it says citing Andrew Cahn, chief executive of UK Trade & Investment, a government body that supports foreign companies looking to invest in Britain.


To be sure, Indian companies occasionally run into xenophobia and protectionism.


Earlier this year, India-born Lakshmi Mittal's $33.5 billion purchase of Arcelor, Europe's top steel producer, was initially opposed by CEO Guy Doll, who said Mittal's company, Mittal Steel, the largest steel producer in the world, was "eau de cologne" compared with the "perfume" of Arcelor.


But India's forays abroad have so far proved less controversial than those launched from that other emerging economic superpower, China.


That's because major Chinese companies are usually partly or wholly owned by government entities, which can raise doubts about their management's motives, Time says citing Sanjaya Baru, an Adviser to Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.


"Private companies in India are private," Baru says. "They are not an extension of the government."


Being annexed by India Inc might also be more palatable to some because individual managers and entrepreneurs from the subcontinent are familiar faces overseas.

Driven in the past by lack of opportunity at home, India's best and brightest have long studied and worked in the US and Europe.


America's high-tech sector in particular has an unusual concentration of Indian workers. Some 13 percent of all private, venture-backed start-up companies in the US are founded by Indian immigrants, according to a study released this month by the National Venture Capital Association.


Many of Silicon Valley's high-tech leaders are of Indian origin, among them Prabhakar Raghavan, 45, head of Yahoo!'s research division. After finishing college in India, Raghavan migrated to the US and earned a Ph.D. in computer science at the University of California, Berkeley, before joining IBM.


"Indians are looked upon not only as technical wizards but, beyond that as people who can make things happen," he says.


The diaspora has spread beyond Silicon Valley. India-born executives have in recent years taken the reins at some of the world's biggest companies.


Arun Sarin, from Madhya Pradesh, is CEO of Britain's Vodafone. Three months ago, Indra Nooyi was named CEO of PepsiCo after serving five years as the US beverage giant's CFO.


Indians have credibility as managers, Time says quoting Hemant Luthra, head of the Systems & Automotive Technologies division at Indian car-and-tractor manufacturer Mahindra & Mahindra.

https://content.msn.co.in/News/Business/BusinessIANS_221106_1 131.htm

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Thanks Mythili! You have picked a super article by Meera Nanda, which is right on! Thanks.
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I think, in terms of talent and making our country aware, India is on top. We are having all these music and talent shows which are REALLY good for our country kyunki there are so many people who have such talent and great ideas to make our country better and we are allowing that to happen ! India is a beautiful country and we should show that to the world, which we do, but unfortunately, it doesn't always get out to everybody.

We need to clear stereotypes - bewakoofs (cholly) think that there are elephants running on the roads of our cities and cows are sitting everyone, everyone wears saris and we don't know English. this may be exaggerated a little, lekhin we need to clear this by showing our country more ! we have so many colours, so many people, our country is one of the best because of our culture and accepting people...

Also, politics - i have never been very familiar or very interested in politics, lekhin i know there is corruption .... i wish we could clear that...

Just my two cents 😃
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I think what you said about india's shining is true, but there is no way as others said you can overlook the corruption side. they got to form some kind of organization or program that crack downs the corruption as it hurts many people esp that are poor and innocent.
And get rid of the middle people that are creating chaos between the countries such as pakistan, india, and kashmir. And to do this india needs strong leaders that are free of corruption and not towards the money aspect and rather toward the development of the country. I think all these and many other changes can lead to peace, harmony and add to the REAL shining of the country.

Thx,
XXPeACEXX
~hijab~
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agree wit egghatcher... india iz doing a fab job.. but there r still sum thingz dat r VERY WRONG.. so itz not da perfect "sone ki chidiaa" 😕 but me lub me india 😛

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