Down nostalgia lane with Arjun Kirloskar - Page 4

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Jahnvi,

Well, that is one point of view (or POV, as they say here!).

I agree with much of what you say about Arjun, which is why I almost abandoned him after that hilltop scene. I do not like wimps, and I will not repeat now what fate would have awaited Arjun Kirloskar if he had had the extreme good fortune to have been my son!!😉😉

Except I would make allowances for what one could call, in a different context from the original, a fatal attraction.Only here it is not an attraction, but a submission, a samarpan. There should NEVER be any samarpan in any relationship, that makes the one a slave and the other the dominator, and with apologies to Lord Acton, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

It has corrupted apni Purvi, for no woman with even some sense of fairness, and I am not even talking of love, would ever use the taraka mantra "Agar tumne mujhse saccha pyar kiya ho tho .. you have to do this and this and this", against the man. In his place, I would have retorted that if she had ever loved him, she would never ask him to do this and this and this. But of course he does not.

I keep waiting for him to show even an iota of self respect , but no. He has been reduced to such a poodle that he is still worshipping at her shrine. There does not seem to be any salvation for him, alas! It is best to read the old posts. For one thing, the flow of the words makes me feel rather pleased with myself! O, vanity!😉

The strange thing is, Janhvi, that Arjun at least had the (slight) excuse of being very young - he is not 20, as they having been saying in the forum for the past 15 months (and 19 for Purvi, Ovi and Teju), in an unconscious repeat of the vardaan given to Markandeya, but say 24 or 25. But what of Onir? He must be 10 years older, and look at him now!

I think he is shrewd enough to outwit Mittal and that sleazy ex-Dean, but he is going to get a shock when they confront him with the CCTV recordings. Though there is nothing in it that can be used as evidence, if he shows dismay and alarm, they will have a hold on him. What he should then do is to echo the Duke of Wellington, who told a would-be blackmailer "Publish and be damned!", but then there is his Mishti's great secret to be preserved. I am very much afraid that he is going to go the Arjun way too, selling his soul to keep her out of it, except that it will all have to come out some day.

The clever thing for them to do would have been to tell Arjun alone about the substitution, without going into the parentage of the baby. Then he would have built another shrine for Purvi and loved the baby more than if it had been his!

Reverting to Onir, if one had to look for an excuse for him, it could only be the opposite of that for Arjun, that he is not a young man in love. He is someone who was perfectly happy with his patients and his idealism, till one day this girl came along and turned his well ordered world topsy turvy. When love hits an otherwise unlikely candidate like that, it hits him very hard.

It would have been far better for Onir to have put his foot down with Purvi and read her the riot act, but she is his greatest weakness, he cannot bear to see her unhappy, and that warps his judgement.

Even then, he is more sensible and firm in lecturing her post facto about the need, once she has made this decision, to stay the course, and he snaps her out of her hysteria sharply and decisively. Arjun would have been clueless about how to handle her. Here, that lovely analysis of yours, about Purvi and how she feels about Onir, fits in perfectly (I do remember what I have to do on that, so don't reproach me silently! I will get there, I will!), But he is going to have a very tough time with this unstable and inconsistent girl, to keep her from exposing what she wants above all to hide. I hope that in the process, he does not end up in the suds. See how one ends up worrying about someone? It is a ruddy disease, it is.

No, I too would not root automatically for Arjun. On the contrary, I believe, as things stand, that Onir would be much better for her, and then again, I feel pretty sure that she will never leave him for Arjun even if he agreed, as he will if it comes to that, to let her go, and Ovi releases Arjun. It would make her feel very bad about herself, and she will not do it.

As for you and me and all the rest of us Arun-Purvi-philes of the old vintage, we should perhaps follow the advice of the poet's wise beloved:

She bid me take life easy, as the grass grows on the weirs,

But I was young and foolish, and now am full of tears.

Shyamala

Oh Janhvi, my Janhvi,

Whatever would I do in this arid wilderness of the PR forum without you? I am so delighted with this profusion of splendid lines that I find it hard to pay attention to the rest of your text. Such is the magic of words, they enrapture you and take you over, so that you can see nothing beyond them!

I don't know about panthers ending my poor Arjun ( I can never fully give up on him, for all that I would gladly have used hobnailed boots on his backside), but I do wish they would have a go at several of the other benighted characters littering the PR landscape. No such luck, of course, and I am sure no self-respecting panther would deign to maul his insides with such muck.

As for the siren charms of Purvi/Mishti, trust you to find a halfway convincing explanation for the follies of the two men in her life! Or rather not in her life - for there is room there for only one person, her aai, and then for her aai's fewikwik-attached appendages, to wit Ovi and Manav. Each was, in his time, only on the outside of it, hanging on by his fingernails.

You, my dear, could defend Lucifer himself so well that even St.Peter might be confused sufficiently to let the fallen Son of the Morning thru the pearly gates.

But then, just to be contrarian, do you remember the learned professor in The Blue Angel, who fell in love with the Marlene Dietrich character, and what happened to him? Do you read Dorothy Sayers at all? If so, remember that young man in Clouds of Witness, who destroys himself in an obsessive passion for a mercenary and unfeeling, but exquisitely beautiful woman? There is no dearth of such examples all over literature.

Not that I would ever place your very pretty nitwit in that category. She lacks both the oomph and the cunning for that. But still she has some strange allure about her, that such men fall at her feet out of the clear blue sky, without her even having to lift a little finger. Naturally she is so heedless of her good fortune that she squanders it as if it was going out of fashion.

I too hope that she gets some good sense at long last and stays with her latest trophy. Your " A girl, if she knows what is right for her, would rather have a man than a boy any day" is so succinct and so perfect that to add anything to it would be gilding the lily. So let it stay the way it is, tall and slender, white and pure.

Thank you for pepping me up; this should last all of today, and as my brother arrives tomorrow for a month, I will have other things to work on!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Dear Shyamala, I await, I wait with bated breath for your response on the other thread! 😆

I would not lay the blame at Purvi's door for two men's undying attraction for her. More power to the girl if she can ignite such love and passion in them. I look on the positive side, there must be goodness galore in her to invoke such devotion in two very good men. I wrote on another thread that both men are alike, they both understand her and her short comings, her compulsion to put her family first and the two men foolishly love her more for her "selfless" (read idiotic) attitude towards her parivar. To counter with Yeats, lucky are they to have found such a woman😉 "and live like Solomon that Sheba led a dance."

As for Arjun, this is what I think "and if he love another, may panthers end him" 😆 Not really but if he has chosen to father a child with Ovi, it is the end of his love affair with Purvi for me. All these excuses for Arjun's behavior reminds me of "she smiled and that transfigured me, And left me a lout maundering here and maundering there, emptier of thought than the heavenly circuit of its stars when the moon sails out", poor Arjun, indeed, for having lost his mind. I would have loved to have him be your son if for an instant to see the dressing down you would have surely given him.

As for "our" ((Jyo, no chappals, please!) dear Onir, "Why should not old men be mad?" To take liberties with the words of another poet, "O sleep a little while, my mishti! And let me kneel, and let me pray to thee, vows of my slavery, my giving up, my sudden adoration, my great love!"

I agree, Purvi would feel badly to leave Onir but more than that she would be a bigger idiot than she has been if she let go of a man for a boy. A man protects, a man safe guards his love, a man chides and corrects, a boy foolishly goes astray and blames the foolishness on his weakness for his lady love. A girl, if she knows what is right for her, would rather have a man than a boy any day.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Jahnvi,

Well, that is one point of view (or POV, as they say here!).

I agree with much of what you say about Arjun, which is why I almost abandoned him after that hilltop scene. I do not like wimps, and I will not repeat now what fate would have awaited Arjun Kirloskar if he had had the extreme good fortune to have been my son!!😉😉

Except I would make allowances for what one could call, in a different context from the original, a fatal attraction.Only here it is not an attraction, but a submission, a samarpan. There should NEVER be any samarpan in any relationship, that makes the one a slave and the other the dominator, and with apologies to Lord Acton, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

It has corrupted apni Purvi, for no woman with even some sense of fairness, and I am not even talking of love, would ever use the taraka mantra "Agar tumne mujhse saccha pyar kiya ho tho .. you have to do this and this and this", against the man. In his place, I would have retorted that if she had ever loved him, she would never ask him to do this and this and this. But of course he does not.

I keep waiting for him to show even an iota of self respect , but no. He has been reduced to such a poodle that he is still worshipping at her shrine. There does not seem to be any salvation for him, alas! It is best to read the old posts. For one thing, the flow of the words makes me feel rather pleased with myself! O, vanity!😉

The strange thing is, Janhvi, that Arjun at least had the (slight) excuse of being very young - he is not 20, as they having been saying in the forum for the past 15 months (and 19 for Purvi, Ovi and Teju), in an unconscious repeat of the vardaan given to Markandeya, but say 24 or 25. But what of Onir? He must be 10 years older, and look at him now!

I think he is shrewd enough to outwit Mittal and that sleazy ex-Dean, but he is going to get a shock when they confront him with the CCTV recordings. Though there is nothing in it that can be used as evidence, if he shows dismay and alarm, they will have a hold on him. What he should then do is to echo the Duke of Wellington, who told a would-be blackmailer "Publish and be damned!", but then there is his Mishti's great secret to be preserved. I am very much afraid that he is going to go the Arjun way too, selling his soul to keep her out of it, except that it will all have to come out some day.

The clever thing for them to do would have been to tell Arjun alone about the substitution, without going into the parentage of the baby. Then he would have built another shrine for Purvi and loved the baby more than if it had been his!

Reverting to Onir, if one had to look for an excuse for him, it could only be the opposite of that for Arjun, that he is not a young man in love. He is someone who was perfectly happy with his patients and his idealism, till one day this girl came along and turned his well ordered world topsy turvy. When love hits an otherwise unlikely candidate like that, it hits him very hard.

It would have been far better for Onir to have put his foot down with Purvi and read her the riot act, but she is his greatest weakness, he cannot bear to see her unhappy, and that warps his judgement.

Even then, he is more sensible and firm in lecturing her post facto about the need, once she has made this decision, to stay the course, and he snaps her out of her hysteria sharply and decisively. Arjun would have been clueless about how to handle her. Here, that lovely analysis of yours, about Purvi and how she feels about Onir, fits in perfectly (I do remember what I have to do on that, so don't reproach me silently! I will get there, I will!), But he is going to have a very tough time with this unstable and inconsistent girl, to keep her from exposing what she wants above all to hide. I hope that in the process, he does not end up in the suds. See how one ends up worrying about someone? It is a ruddy disease, it is.

No, I too would not root automatically for Arjun. On the contrary, I believe, as things stand, that Onir would be much better for her, and then again, I feel pretty sure that she will never leave him for Arjun even if he agreed, as he will if it comes to that, to let her go, and Ovi releases Arjun. It would make her feel very bad about herself, and she will not do it.

As for you and me and all the rest of us Arun-Purvi-philes of the old vintage, we should perhaps follow the advice of the poet's wise beloved:

She bid me take life easy, as the grass grows on the weirs,

But I was young and foolish, and now am full of tears.

Shyamala