Episode 203 Discussion: 23rd Feb 2013 - Page 17

Originally posted by: bhakti2

😆😆 Zara sochiye - what would happen if you got full night's sleep?! There would be a novel to read here!😆 (On the other hand, if the epis get really exciting, no one will be getting ANY sleep for thinking of what 🤪😊 thing is going to happen next. We would burn out the server and mods would beg us to go take rest!)

Originally posted by: bhakti2

I don't know, guys - I have read the analyses of Madhu here very carefully and with great admiration. But even so, haven't you ever met anyone like Madhu? I relate to her a lot, and i know other people like her, too. Could it be a function of youth? I don't think it's so unbelievable that you could use the ideal as a template for what you think might happen. Of course you will be surprised by life's being under no obligation to agree with your viewpoint!😆

But i understand her way of thinking and, in his way, I think RK is as great an idealist as Madhu, just in an inverted way. His ideal is that no one can really be trusted, not even himself. And he acts from that conviction. They will, of course, both be proven wrong. Maybe that little chink in the wall of their life-views will allow the air and light of a better relationship to come through.

For some of us, life forces caution upon us, but we are not born with it and learn it only with great resistance.

Originally posted by: Soundarya22

My late latif musings...have to add my two cents even if it may seem repetitive.

• Reg Madhu, i agree with all of you. I have always loved her character. Not because she is the ideal daughter, ideal, beti, does pooja/path, keeps KC vrat, none of that.

She has this streak of madness in her that drives her ...as SD put it.

• When I watched the earlier episodes, there is this scene where Trishna is heartbroken because RK is capable of destroying her career, she asks Madhu to take back the accident case..and let the incident die a natural death. To my surprise, this 'ideal' beti, behen refuses.. where did the protectiveness about her family disappear to ?? This was such a departure from the typical soap heroine that I was really intrigued with her character, and began enjoying her character.
• Dialogue from lake side scene when they do the pillar wala 4 pheras:

RK: Doobna hai ya jalna hai

Madhu: Is aag mein jal na

blah blah about love ka bonfire😆

RK: Soch lo, jalne se bahut dukh hoga

Madhu: Manzoor hai. Lekin na jalne se jo dukh hoga, voh manzoor nahi

• So she is quite ready to give herself completely in his love. Does'nt RK tell her that in that famous confession scene...that he loves her 'deewangee'? That's why she's back with a vengence in his life, inspite of his dhoka.
• That's what I was trying to say when she insists to paddy that she will go back to work. She was not arguing like they normally do, she had almost a crazed look for a second in her eyes, when she stands her ground. She wants to go to him, wants to find out why, or wants him back.
• Please note: she has offered herself to him twice...first time at the village and second time, on saturday. Different situations, different motivations, but how does she qualify as the traditional Indian prototype of a 'goody-two-shoes'
• Now that they are not married, there is no forced bandhan between them. RK had said, theirs was a relationship he entered with his head. He is still trying to retain that status quo. It is a choice each of them have to make..to stay together from this point onwards...or not.

Originally posted by: Soundarya22

My late latif musings...have to add my two cents even if it may seem repetitive.

• Reg Madhu, i agree with all of you. I have always loved her character. Not because she is the ideal daughter, ideal, beti, does pooja/path, keeps KC vrat, none of that.

She has this streak of madness in her that drives her ...as SD put it.

• When I watched the earlier episodes, there is this scene where Trishna is heartbroken because RK is capable of destroying her career, she asks Madhu to take back the accident case..and let the incident die a natural death. To my surprise, this 'ideal' beti, behen refuses.. where did the protectiveness about her family disappear to ?? This was such a departure from the typical soap heroine that I was really intrigued with her character, and began enjoying her character.
• Dialogue from lake side scene when they do the pillar wala 4 pheras:

RK: Doobna hai ya jalna hai

Madhu: Is aag mein jal na

blah blah about love ka bonfire😆

RK: Soch lo, jalne se bahut dukh hoga

Madhu: Manzoor hai. Lekin na jalne se jo dukh hoga, voh manzoor nahi

• So she is quite ready to give herself completely in his love. Does'nt RK tell her that in that famous confession scene...that he loves her 'deewangee'? That's why she's back with a vengence in his life, inspite of his dhoka.
• That's what I was trying to say when she insists to paddy that she will go back to work. She was not arguing like they normally do, she had almost a crazed look for a second in her eyes, when she stands her ground. She wants to go to him, wants to find out why, or wants him back.
• Please note: she has offered herself to him twice...first time at the village and second time, on saturday. Different situations, different motivations, but how does she qualify as the traditional Indian prototype of a 'goody-two-shoes'
• Now that they are not married, there is no forced bandhan between them. RK had said, theirs was a relationship he entered with his head. He is still trying to retain that status quo. It is a choice each of them have to make..to stay together from this point onwards...or not.

Originally posted by: Soundarya22

My late latif musings...have to add my two cents even if it may seem repetitive.

• Reg Madhu, i agree with all of you. I have always loved her character. Not because she is the ideal daughter, ideal, beti, does pooja/path, keeps KC vrat, none of that.

She has this streak of madness in her that drives her ...as SD put it.

• When I watched the earlier episodes, there is this scene where Trishna is heartbroken because RK is capable of destroying her career, she asks Madhu to take back the accident case..and let the incident die a natural death. To my surprise, this 'ideal' beti, behen refuses.. where did the protectiveness about her family disappear to ?? This was such a departure from the typical soap heroine that I was really intrigued with her character, and began enjoying her character.
• Dialogue from lake side scene when they do the pillar wala 4 pheras:

RK: Doobna hai ya jalna hai

Madhu: Is aag mein jal na

blah blah about love ka bonfire😆

RK: Soch lo, jalne se bahut dukh hoga

Madhu: Manzoor hai. Lekin na jalne se jo dukh hoga, voh manzoor nahi

• So she is quite ready to give herself completely in his love. Does'nt RK tell her that in that famous confession scene...that he loves her 'deewangee'? That's why she's back with a vengence in his life, inspite of his dhoka.
• I was trying to pinpoint this deewangee aspect, when she insists to paddy that she will go back to work. She was not arguing like they normally do, she had almost a crazed look for a second in her eyes, when she stands her ground. She wants to go to him, wants to find out why, or wants him back.
• Please note: she has offered herself to him twice...first time at the village and second time, on saturday. Different situations, different motivations, but how does she qualify as the traditional Indian prototype of a 'goody-two-shoes'
• Now that they are not married, there is no forced bandhan between them. RK had said, theirs was a relationship he entered with his head. He is still trying to retain that status quo. It is a choice each of them have to make..to stay together from this point onwards...or not.

Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

@ Charu: Thank you for liking my review.

Now for Madhu...If I am confused with RK's characterization...I am constantly flabbergasted with Madhu's characterization...partly because it seems to be inconsistent and partly because I don't identify with it.

Part of the issue that CVs seem to be facing with her character is viewer acceptance. She is supposed to be the muse or the ray of light in RK's life which means she has to be goody-two- shoes and angelic to highlight the contrast. However since RK is painted in such dark shades, her acceptance of him makes her seem dumb and weak so she has to have some grey shades without impacting her angelic disposition. At the same time she has to come across as an ideal daughter, wife, DIL... That leaves the character walking a very fine line and there is not much scope for creativity.

If I had to define Madhu in few words- I would say she is a impulsive, righteous, headstrong girl with a good heart who acts on instinct with little thought to consequences. She has no idea how the world works or even that darkness that permeate the human spirit. She measure everything against an idealistic baseline- relationships, actions, what is right and what is wrong...

I mean look at her behaviour until now-

1)she made a promise to Radha to reconcile with her son without knowing any background there. Her idealistic view told her it is not right for a mother and son to be apart with so much bitterness between them and no action can truly be unforgivable in that relationship. He instict told her she can probably pull it off and she went on mission- reconcillation.

2)She decides to bring God in the house...her idealistic view does not comprehend how someone could not have faith in God...her instinct suggest that it might be a good thing for Bhatia/Kundra household...she does not care that she might be humiliating RK by disobeying him...she just forges ahead

She displays the same modus operandi when she decides to keep KC or when she decides to go away with RK or even when she denies RK in the farmhouse the first time.

At the risk of sounding emotionally bankrupt...I truly do not identify with Madhu's concept of humiliation. Almost all the humiliation that RK has piled up on her until now except for two occasions are contextual. RK forcibly half marries her but not without her permission ...where is the humiliation in it? He treats her to a lousy SR, calls her maid, lugs her around as spot, makes her serves drinks in the party, dances with her and leaves her unkissed...it would be humiliating for RK's wife but Madhu was not expected to be RK's wife...she was a bought entity for RK's pleasure...why would she feel the humiliation? maybe because she is comparing her situation to ideal respect that she should have got as wife. I understand that he treated her shabbily but then she should have expected that ...shouldn't she? Same thing on the set now- she is humiliated by things that should not even touch her given the circumstances. She seems to be embarrassed about her love being a joke...but should it matter? Her feelings were true, she prized her love, she was even kindhearted enough to bestow it on an ogre...where is the humiliation in the entire picture? In fact Rk comes out looking bad in the entire scenario if Madhu would just stop getting embarrassed every few minutes. RK is smart and he has caught on to her weakness...he manipulates her to feel embarassment and humiliation in scenarios and over things that are not really that bad. If RK hurts her by mentioning her love , she has a good retort...he is unlucky in love after all ...even if it is by choice. I loved it when she gave him back in his trailer the other day but then she becomes wilting flower at first sign of trouble.

The only times when I felt RK really humiliated her was when he threw her submission in village night on her face or when he tells her that he is disgusted by her to the point that he does not want to touch her.

Now why she returned to set- her instinct suggests that RK did care for her...she was not completely blind. Her idealistic view suggest that either RK has to reconcile with her or suffer the consequences of his actions. Being headstrong she has to be one to deliver the sentence even if it kills hers so she forges ahead impulsively without understanding numerous way this could play out and hurt her. Somewhere in her heart she expected RK to cut her slack with her being his ex-wife and all...so she is more hurt when he is vicious with her.

There is a lot more going in her head...a part of her wishes that things could go back to the way they were...a part of her wants to punish him...her ego is hurting that all her love could not touch him and change him...her head is telling her that she needs to run as far away as possible.

I guess that is my way of saying this about more than closure and moving on...it is also about understanding what went wrong and seeing if she can fix it.

Originally posted by: vkk2429

Soundarya

Agree with everything that you said.. except for the one in bold..

Since the unwedding..not ONCE has she questioned as to why he did this...or has she

indicated in her actions that she WANTS him back...

I think she genuinely wants to move on...and just wants to show it to his face that she

does want to move on.. but she does love him still. That has not changed.. although she said that she hates him..

My 2 cents on that..

Originally posted by: Gurtiluv

@ghsp_1.. loved your take on Madhu

But the thing is I have always related to Madhu because of her idealistic nature. For an example, it was shown right in the beggining that she was a girl who liked to handle her battles on her own. Thus when the men started stalking and teasing her she didnt call out for help, she pulled out her pepper spray. Next, when she saw a drunk man run over mukand like he was an insect she saw a complete disrespect for human life. So she took it upon herself to teach this man that he cant treat ordinary people like that. As for shaving Mukand she felt bad for him and his condition. Yes, she didnt have the guts to stand up to ayi because she has been taught to respect her elders unlike RK. Therefore there was an instant connection to Radhaji. The only thing I didnt understand about Madhu was how she so niavely fell in love not thinking once that this is the same man who married me for revenge. I always felt that even if she has developed feelings she should hide them. But Madhu was niave. And yes if I were Madhu place right now I would tell him he is an idiot for hurting hurting the one person who loved him selflessly. and he doesnt have love in his life because a kamina like him doesnt deserve it.