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Posted: 12 years ago
Good Morning Everyone...Just a drive by 😔


@Indu: Good morning Bud...Aww sending loads of 🤗 to keep you warm and I'm happy to hear that all is ok on your end 😊

Weekend is bittersweet, had a great time with nieces yesterday plus it was one of my niece's bday but nana is still the same 😔 thank you for asking my friend xoxo

You have a great day as well...Love you *muah*


@Red: welcome back Doll 🤗...and what a post, I totally agree with what you said, P is trying to be all noble but it comes across as being forced and it's just a cover for the jealousy he feels that Yash has the family he threw away and the former is taking care of them better than he ever could 😛 😃


@Samana: True P is trying to undermine both Aarti and Yash, he may be succeeding now but all his charade is gonna come to end soon...He can't stand the idea that Aarti is happy well he's not. Her indifference is killing him IMO he thought that she would stay broken all her life and he would be the one to rescue her but what he failed to understand her emotions...Sure he knows he likes and dislikes but when it comes to her essence Prashsant has no clue about how Aarti is wired...It may have taken Yash hitting rock bottom and Aarti leaving but he finally knows and understands her like nobody else does 😉


@Meena: Another great post, Dear 👏 👏...Aarti telling Yash the truth will sure make P lose his "Ace" and she will have the upper hand on him.




Gotta run, busy day today...Happy Discussions Lovelies!

Happy Sunday Funday...You guys have a day filled with LOVE & BLESSINGS 🤗 🤗 🤗
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Posted: 12 years ago

Beware the Good Samaritan - P

Why is P causing Aarti pain? Certainly he does not wish it - what I mean is that it is not intentional. Rather it is hard for him to do otherwise (my apologies to those who think I am harsh - but bear with me and read through my reasoning). Have you ever watched a scene where a drowning person is being rescued by another? You will notice that the drowning person flails his limbs around in panic to stay above water and attempts to pull the rescuer down with him in the process. So what does a trained rescuer (read lifeguard) do? Constrain the drowning person in order to minimize his/her movements so that his/her threat to the rescuer is diminished and he/she can be saved. Now let's take this example to Aarti-n-Prashant situation - how can P who is in pain (and supposedly dying) harm Aarti?

The neediness of his medical condition established a skewed relationship and permitted his parents to emotionally blackmail her. When I say skewed relationship - I mean a tacit "contract" wherein Aarti-n-Ansh do the helping and pay the price while P-n-Dupeys receive relief with little or no reciprocal responsibility. Initially Aarti was of the opinion that the Dupeys - particularly Shobha would come through and assist her so she took Ansh for the BMT effacing her own needs including informing Yash. But when P entered SM and did not disclose that he was her ex and the Dupeys too lied about their relationship with him Aarti realized that she can no longer depend on them or appeal to their conscience! Their relationship has altered into one where they are inappropriately dependent on her while expecting her to bear the fallout of their lies and deceit to the Scindhiyas. Every need and want of P has to be attended to by her but they will not show the most trivial courtesy of keeping P away from Yash and SM. And what about P - how does he behave towards Aarti?

P's behavior towards Arti (and by de facto towards Yash) is contemptible and abusive. It is Aarti's job to provide him what he needs but he has no accountability. In my opinion, P is bitter and angry that Aarti has done so well for herself while he is penniless and dependent on his parents. He is dependent on Aarti too and is resentful of it - so he is experiencing hostile dependency. Aarti is not dependent on P. P is infuriated over his self-imposed dependency on Aarti. (Yes, it is self-imposed because he is now drawn to the child-Ansh whom he abandoned and for the BMT procedure as he chose not to consider other options.) He is not only furious but also ungrateful. Since it's unsafe for him to directly express his anger and resentment towards Aarti he is doing so indirectly by embarrassing her (and Yash) in her house (read bedroom), by flaunting his friendship with Ansh (read friendship band and picture in wallet), displaying his superiority and control over Yash (read dinner date tips and Arpita advice) and gloating over his ability to deceive all in SM under her helpless gaze!

So coming back to my drowning individual example - Prashant, the drowning individual is flailing his arms and dragging Aarti under water too with him. Her lifeboats - the Dupeys have abandoned her because of P's antics. Aarti alone cannot rescue P; she needs the assistance of an expert swimmer - her lifeguard, Yash to unclasp P's (and Dupeys) hold on her and get her out to safety.
Edited by anonee - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
@Indu, aimf and ZET
Thank you for appreciating my card analogy!!
I needed to think through the situation that was playing out at SM. Of course I am not denying that Prateek's words were prophetic but in my POV there was also a palpable change in the dynamics between Aarti and the Dupeys (all 3 of them!)
@Indu - How well you have articulated what many of us are saying:
"Prashant has taken the last chance at a dignified explanation away from Aarti by walking into her home. "
So true - like I wrote in my table, P does not think ahead nor of others - so he did not think of the consequences his entry into SM. It is so ironical that Ansh the person he came to meet totally withdrew from him!!
Edited by anonee - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Hey all! Congrats to PV on 200 EPISODES! I haven't yet seen the episode in English (seeing it in my native tongue makes me more comfortable in drawing conclusions about character movements). However, I've seen it a few times on DM since Friday. Aided by Sanjana's great WU as well as KS and GC's expressive faces, I enjoyed the eppy so much.

I also enjoyed reading everyone's takes on the episode so far. I think I'm pretty much caught up on the thread. My 2c:

  • On the serpentine ex-husband. I'm not as kind or as accommodating to this man as some of you are. 😆 He's necessary for the storytelling, but I don't find him an interesting or sympathetic opponent/antagonist. But he is who he is, and he's serving his purpose. His relaxation in the Scindia home under a false identity makes him either more dangerous or more vulnerable than he appears. We end up seeing a little of both.
  • For me, the majority of the Ex's scenes with Yash boils down to: Which man knows the genuine "Aarti-facts"? When the Ex-husband first raises the question about Arpita being a possible "obstacle" between Yash and Aarti, he admittedly does so delicately. But Yash quickly corrects the assumption, and I really like the tenderness, softness, and affinity with which Yash speaks about Aarti here. The Ex is clearly surprised and that's when his tone seems to shift a little as he takes the liberty to disagree. For Yash, he seems to paint Aarti with pretty broad strokes as a "typical wife", but he's really referencing the Aarti he used to know, and I find him more deliberate from here. Yash, though, is confident in this second marriage and in the Aarti he knows because he has lived through this acceptance with her; the Ex's reaction strikes me. Once upon a time, he did know her better. But the girl he knew before isn't the same today, largely due to his treatment at the tail-end of their marriage and post-divorce. I believe it was Indu who mentioned this earlier and I agree -- while Aarti's core traits remain, she likely manifests these traits differently now because she's evolving into a woman. Mental storage of a list of her likes/dislikes is a handy yet superficial knowledge. He apparently presumes she hasn't grown (may explain why he/his parents assumed she would have no pity about his plight). That's when he drops that last loaded question like a home-made grenade. The last part of the question is worth pondering because it raises a different issue -- about Yash accepting Aarti's past. Coming from anyone else, these questions might come from genuine curiosity. But coming from the ex-husband who is pretending to be a stranger? Yash's silence draws the Ex to conclude he would be jealous. "Right?" He asks. He may be right, but that self-satisfied look he gives about possibly being right informs my understanding of his movements in the remainder of the scene.
  • 3 "Look-aways." After he emerges from the bathroom to see Aarti and Yash speaking, there are times the Ex is noticeably uncomfortable. First, he observes them intently, but then looks down/away: (1.) When he sees Aarti railing against his interference (just before Yash stops her from leaving); (2.) When Yash is coaxing a smile out of her; and (3.) When Aarti sees him. For me, these are 3 key reaction-shots. His follow-up with Yash after Aarti leaves, and the way he speaks to Yash, may reveal the true meaning of the look-aways, IMHO. He realizes he has gaping holes of knowledge about Aarti's growing depth as a woman, a depth that Yash is getting to know and understand. Added to that, he sees first-hand how Aarti responds to Yash's nature and his "simple" methods of making her happy. I think the Ex is sort of confounded by Aarti in the exchange, but he spins it as being confounded by Yash's naivete. For me, addressing the Arpita issue again and after Aarti leaves proves that he wants (maybe needs) to be right in his presumptions about Aarti's behavior in her marriage to Yash. He can't be wrong about someone he "knows" oh-so-well, can he? Yash may be able to make her smile, but he must be too naive to "know" the "truth" behind her "overreaction", right? The Ex-husband wants to sound helpful, but he isn't really because he knows he is the biggest secret hanging over this marriage. He doesn't seem to really care that he instigated them, but does seem to care that he's wrong, and he doesn't like to lose. He wants to win, but, as Prateek joked, Yash wins in what matters. This Ex of Aarti's is shaking loose Aarti and Yash's securities. He slithers in and sheds his skin over issues he knows nothing about. However, his provocation will likely end up giving Yash and Aarti a chance to really understand each other, and fight for their marriage.
  • Aarti's reaction against the Ex's instigation and interference is spot-on. Her acceptance of Arpita's place in Yash's heart has been a remarkable part of their relationship for me to watch. In fact, she aided and abetted him in keeping Arpita's memory against the family's wishes and, by doing so, they ironically built the foundation of trust and intimacy they have now. Once he recovered her from Lalitpur, he vowed to not let his past interfere with his present. These are things that the Ex doesn't and shouldn't know about. It's none of his business. But it's here Aarti reveals how territorial she is about Yash and the intimacy they've begun to build. We don't see this very well when she's pulled under the weight of the Dubey's emotional blackmail, but she's clearly protective of this marriage and her Yashji. To have her ex-husband, of all people, trespass on their privacy and pass judgment on their inner-workings, is understandably not only infuriating, but it's down-right insulting for her. Maybe she's more protective because of the kind of husband Yash is. Maybe it's because of how her first marriage ended. Or maybe it's because she knows who this "friend" of Yash's really is and feels trapped by the increasing Dubey lies. Maybe it's a combination of all of it. But, bottom-line is, she's right -- the Ex is in no position to assume what she likes or doesn't like about Yash, what she accepts or doesn't accept in the marriage, what she's comfortable or uncomfortable with about his first marriage. This is their marriage, no one else's.

There's more swirling around in my head, but later. 😆 😃

Edited by 1HappyGrl - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
@Meena: That's profound how you've come up with the drowning analogy! So I'm left to wonder that Arti is doing the humane thing.

Also this makes me wonder of some movie endings where the hero is holding the villains hand over a cliff trying to save the villain but at the end the villain chooses to let go of the hero's hand and fall down into the abyss!

@Happygirl: I loved how you've summarized what this thread is all about and what the major thoughts in this thread are.


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I remember in one of my takes I said how can you come up with all aces to the Dupeys

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/punar-vivah/3295834/a-rant-mummy-i-want-that-puppy



and voila we have a gambling scene in PV. I tell you these CV's stalk the forum that said. Edit. Unless I'm being paranoid! I wanted to include this in my take but whittled it down and did not mention the card playing scene,

Voila!
MERE BHAGWAN KI KASAM! IS THIS PURSE AUTHENTIC LOUIS VOUITTON? generated with the Imgflip Meme Generator

Maybe I still have time to incorporate this in my next take!😆
Edited by AngelDark - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
Thanks, Angel. Usually when I come here, I've seen the episode so late I end up being a little redundant, lol, but it seems about this episode most of us have come to similar interpretations.
I've been enjoying your takes so much. I especially liked one of the more recent ones you had with "Aman, A man, My man". 😆
The latest one with Bua! 🤣 Love it.
Meena, just catching up on your more recent posts. Loved the trump card analogy. 😃 I need to reread it.
Also enjoyed Samana, Indu, Red and Aparna's recent exchanges on the Ex. My thoughts run very similarly. Red brought up a point about a guest house that I jotted down while watching the episode too. My question was more about guest rooms, though. Are there no guest rooms in this mansion? Why in the world are strangers allowed in the Scindia family member's bedrooms? I don't get it. And what was wrong with using the dining table to play this card game? I don't get these Scindia family "traditions" (or, more accurately, the use of PV sets). 😆 The bedroom thing needs to be addressed though. When Aarti went to their room, she clearly looked like she went in there for some sanctuary and she ends up finding the Ex there. 🤔 For the love of all things good, can some rooms be sacred please! 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago



@1Happygrl: I loved your post, I think you picked the most salient points from all the posts on Prashant and your summary probably comes closest to what Prashant is. 😊


Prashant has voyeuristic tendencies where Aarti and her life are concerned. He watched AarYa when Yash found them at the temple in Lalitpur. He also watched the KC ceremony and felt the "pain." He advised Yash on the dinner date. At present it is some kind of morbid curiosity about Aarti's life with Yash and what problems they have/had in their marriage and also perplexity that this Aarti is not the same Aarti he knew before! I don't think he is interested in getting Aarti back in his life but he certainly has developed feelings for Ansh and wants a part of him; whether this is really affection or it is like "I have a right", I do not know, but probably the latter. This morbid curiosity will cause problems in Aarti's life and if P sees a chance then to strike at Aarti/Yash so that he can have Ansh, he is going to grab it. His conscience is very blunted, he does not feel remorse easily and can justify his acts one way or the other as being right.


I love the way it is all boiling up...😃...that almost every situation can go a number of ways is the best part of the story in PV!!
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Posted: 12 years ago

Memes of Mere Bhagwan Ki Kasam


Just an idea I had! Hope you will check that new thread I made and leave your comments.

Just thought that it would be a nice idea to bring all these under one roof.
I hope you will have a laugh and make your day enjoyable to some extent.



Angel😃
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Posted: 12 years ago


OMG...the first pic...PraYa next to each other! 🤣 🤣
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Originally posted by: 1HappyGrl


---------------------- When Aarti went to their room, she clearly looked like she went in there for some sanctuary and she ends up finding the Ex there. 🤔 For the love of all things good, can some rooms be sacred please! 😆




Amen!

My notes mentioned that but I never look at them😕 When I'm writing that my thoughts get interchanged!😆

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