Moral of Samudra Manthan..Picture @ page 2 - Page 3

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

If Vishnu had issues w/ the asuras having amrit, fine, but then, it was unethical of him to get the devas to invite the asuras to help them do the manthan simply b'cos they were incapable of doing it on their own. It would be like me inviting various groups of friends - personal friends, colleagues, relatives, old schoolmates, et al to a party, have them all help set it up, and then decide that one group of them doesn't deserve to have the cake. If I think that, then the right thing to do is not invite that particular group in the first place.

On a different note, thinking about it some, I just don't think the Bali of Kurma avatar is the same as Bali of Vamana avatar, as mentioned in the SB narrative. For one thing, I go by the Dashavatar theory and that too chronologically - M, K, V, N, V, P,... and not by SB's 22 avatar theory, where Vyasa rather narcissistically makes himself one of the avatars. Also, it defies logic and makes Vishnu schizophrenic to suggest that he had issue w/ Bali getting the amrit in the samudra manthan episode, but no issue making Bali immortal after the Vamana episode. I therefore can only conclude that Bali being a common enough name at the time, the 2 Balis were different, and that Vishnu had issues w/ one of them, but not the other.

On the issue of Indra, as we've discussed in the past, the Vedic Indra did not have any of the negative attributes that the Puranic Indra had. However, since all these stories about Narayan or Mahadev are taken from various Puranas, it's somewhat difficult, if not impossible, to show stories about them, and juxtapose them w/ the Vedic, as opposed to the Puranic Indra.

However, in this serial, they are not being true to even Puranic accounts, let alone Vedic, so that's neither here nor there.

Originally posted by: .Reshama.

The asurs did their job..why werent getting their reward..for their hard work..

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Actually, the asuras passed on everything that came out of the ocean - and only grabbed the amrit once it was available. The bolded part above is incorrect.

This was a Vishnu project. Garuda brought Mahendra Parvat, put it in the ocean, it started sinking, Vishnu took Kurma avatar and supported it, Vasuki was used as a rope, w/ the asuras holding the head and the devas the tail. The churning caused the venom of Vasuki to come out, and hence the Neelkantha episode.

After that, all sorts of things came out, many of which were grabbed by the devas. The asuras passed on everything and grabbed the amrit, but Vishnu took Mohini roop and cheated them out of it. The one asura who did get to infiltrate the deva ranks - Rahu - was beheaded - and the asuras discovered their betrayal when it was too late. 😡

Originally posted by: .Reshama.

Am happy to see u again ..u always have a diffrent point of vieuw of stories. Hope u can answer my next questions too. Thanks in advance..Why Vishnu favored the Devtas most of the times? Why didnt Shiv and Brahmha helped the asurs out..they have been tricked.. Asurs did also the hard work and working from Vasuki's head..i cant believe that all the asur who were present then were evil ..not all asurs were barbarians.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

I think Kkr531 - Krishna - had addressed this in some previous threads, which I'd have to look for. Yeah, not all asuras were barbarians, and actually, in mythology, the barbarians were described differently - as Yavanas, Mlechchas and Turashkas. The asuras were an established part of the religious orders of the time, and had their own customs and rituals.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

For one thing, I go by the Dashavatar theory and that too chronologically - M, K, V, N, V, P,... and not by SB's 22 avatar theory, where Vyasa rather narcissistically makes himself one of the avatars.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Anu

Welcome here. First time I'm seeing you in a mytho discussion. Actually, this story has been pretty twisted in this serial - samudra manthan was exclusively a Vishnu project, and Vishnu had no qualms about cheating the asuras, whereas Mahadev and Brahma were generally fair.

Mahadev's only role in this story was coming there and having the halahal - after which his role ended. It's therefore strange to see Samudra Manthan shown in this serial, since Mahadev's was just a cameo appearance.