An analysis of the swimming pool murder - Page 5

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Sanchayita,


Despite all the holes - some of which, like the passport numbers and the names on the woman's passport, were minor and could have been easily avoided - it was still a very clever episode, and the double jeopardy angle was a first and very novel.

Also, I would not discount the beginning of an emotional connect between Arjun and Riya here, not at all. He cups her face with a genuine and protective affection when she will not stop crying and cannot take in what he is saying. It is an instinctive reaction, not a deliberated one, which only strengthens this point.

But I think he would have done the same if it had been Shereen, the young girl he rescues from Pathan in the first episode, the one who runs to hug him at the party in the latest one. He would have hugged her comfortingly, and he might even have kissed her on the forehead, which is what one does to a frightened child.

He does not do any of that to Riya for obvious reasons, but in her case, the sentiment is the same - protectiveness and a dawning affection. But it is not yet love. He is simply not ready for it, and I think they had that flashback in the latest episode only to drive home that point.

So you see, it is not that your feelings about this were wrong, only that they were premature. If Riya had survived, I was sure that once Sikandar had been killed and Roshni had been revenged, Arjun would have come round to loving Riya, perhaps not as he loved Roshni, but loving her nonetheless. Please see my responses to masin above; this point is elaborated there.

If you have seen the Saif-Kareena film Agent Vinod, my comment to Faiza above about that film and Arjun would also interest you.

Shyamala Aunty.

My dear Sanchayita,

Now I am upset with you, for apologising for 'wasting my time'! Never do that again, my dear. I am fond of young people - my son Sasha (my id comes from his name and mine) is probably a little older than you are, and I always have time and more for your age-group, and I really enjoy interacting with you folks.

Secondly, and I repeat, you were not wrong, only premature. And don't feel depressed that what you wanted did not happen, but think that it was something beautiful in the works, only she died too soon. Morever, my dear, I think it is very touching and reassuring that a man can love a woman - in this case Roshni - so deeply and enduringly. I would not have felt the same if he had fallen in love with the first pretty girl he met after Roshni was murdered; it would have made me think less of Arjun. Would you not have felt the same? I think you would.

Agent Vinod is a James Bond type film, and you have to pay close attention to the scenes, as there is a lot of shifting between places all over the world, and it is a very complicated story. But I liked that passage very much - that he wants to go back again and again to that place between life and death - that is when he feels fully alive. I am not at all like that, but I can understand some people's need for that constant adrenaline rush.

Another film I would recommend unreservedly is Kahaani, with Vidya Balan. It is truly superb. Try it, if you have not seen it already.

Take care.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: SanchayitaM

Aunty, thank you for the important corrections. And I am glad that you liked what I wrote. I am pondering that if you were not there, how wrong my thoughts would be, till now. I have never ever thought on Arjun cupping Rhea's face fact in that way. You are so true. He had done same with his Shireen whom he looks up as his sister in the latest episode and the very first episode and the little kid in the security company case. Yes, he did that to Rhea only as an responsible senior of hers. I agree to you after reading the above peice. If you havenot corrected me, may be I will have always believe that it was something else, that never exsisted though there was a possibility for that later.

But, still I'm kind of shattered to realise the fact, the true fact that there was nothing between them. No matter how dissapointing that is, I've accepted it.

I don't know how to express my apologies, for what I did mentioning all that rubbish in my previous post and wasting your important time. I am really sorry for that.

And I have not watched the movie Agent-Vinod, I will try to watch it.

I will be blessed if you will always with me to correct me all the time, when I will believe in something wrong.

Regards,

Sanchayita.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Sanchayita,

I cannot tell you how pleased I was to see such a well thought out response from you to my post, which, as I say often, would not be everyone's cup of tea. I can see that you have a very receptive and open mind, and that you are willing to take on board ideas that might clash with ones you were comfortable with earlier. That is a valuable quality that will stand you in good stead all your life, and not just here.

Despite all the holes - some of which, like the passport numbers and the names on the woman's passport, were minor and could have been easily avoided - it was still a very clever episode, and the double jeopardy angle was a first and very novel.

Also, I would not discount the beginning of an emotional connect between Arjun and Riya here, not at all. He cups her face with a genuine and protective affection when she will not stop crying and cannot take in what he is saying. It is an instinctive reaction, not a deliberated one, which only strengthens this point.

But I think he would have done the same if it had been Shereen, the young girl he rescues from Pathan in the first episode, the one who runs to hug him at the party in the latest one. He would have hugged her comfortingly, and he might even have kissed her on the forehead, which is what one does to a frightened child.

He does not do any of that to Riya for obvious reasons, but in her case, the sentiment is the same - protectiveness and a dawning affection. But it is not yet love. He is simply not ready for it, and I think they had that flashback in the latest episode only to drive home that point.

So you see, it is not that your feelings about this were wrong, only that they were premature. If Riya had survived, I was sure that once Sikandar had been killed and Roshni had been revenged, Arjun would have come round to loving Riya, perhaps not as he loved Roshni, but loving her nonetheless. Please see my responses to masin above; this point is elaborated there.

If you have seen the Saif-Kareena film Agent Vinod, my comment to Faiza above about that film and Arjun would also interest you.

Shyamala Aunty.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Sanchayita,

Now I am upset with you, for apologising for 'wasting my time'! Never do that again, my dear. I am fond of young people - my son Sasha (my id comes from his name and mine) is probably a little older than you are, and I always have time and more for your age-group, and I really enjoy interacting with you folks.

Secondly, and I repeat, you were not wrong, only premature. And don't feel depressed that what you wanted did not happen, but think that it was something beautiful in the works, only she died too soon. Morever, my dear, I think it is very touching and reassuring that a man can love a woman - in this case Roshni - so deeply and enduringly. I would not have felt the same if he had fallen in love with the first pretty girl he met after Roshni was murdered; it would have made me think less of Arjun. Would you not have felt the same? I think you would.

Agent Vinod is a James Bond type film, and you have to pay close attention to the scenes, as there is a lot of shifting between places all over the world, and it is a very complicated story. But I liked that passage very much - that he wants to go back again and again to that place between life and death - that is when he feels fully alive. I am not at all like that, but I can understand some people's need for that constant adrenaline rush.

Another film I would recommend unreservedly is Kahaani, with Vidya Balan. It is truly superb. Try it, if you have not seen it already.

Take care.

Shyamala Aunty

Okay, I'm sorry. I promise I'll never do that again. But, please don't be upset.
You have a great bonding with Bhaiya, I mean your son.
And, I am delighted to know that you enjoy spending time with us.
Yes, you are again right. If loving someone after his wife's death was so easy for Arjun, then his love-life must have restarted even before Rhea made an entry.
And, I'm not at all dissapointed anymore. The sudden gust of facts made me bit emotional at that time.
And after reading the above column, I am very proud of the character Arjun.
I have watched the movie Kahaani, some months ago. And its indeed a very good movie. The storyline kept me glued.
And I shall watch Agent-Vinod soon after my exam comes to an end.
And my request, please don't be upset with me.
Regards,
Sanchayita.

My dear Sanchayita,

No, I won't be upset with you, but right now you had better concentrate on your exams! Arjun and all these discussions can be picked up once they are over (this is what moms and aunties are for!😉).

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: SanchayitaM

Okay, I'm sorry. I promise I'll never do that again. But, please don't be upset.
You have a great bonding with Bhaiya, I mean your son.
And, I am delighted to know that you enjoy spending time with us.
Yes, you are again right. If loving someone after his wife's death was so easy for Arjun, then his love-life must have restarted even before Rhea made an entry.
And, I'm not at all dissapointed anymore. The sudden gust of facts made me bit emotional at that time.
And after reading the above column, I am very proud of the character Arjun.
I have watched the movie Kahaani, some months ago. And its indeed a very good movie. The storyline kept me glued.
And I shall watch Agent-Vinod soon after my exam comes to an end.
And my request, please don't be upset with me.
Regards,
Sanchayita.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Sanchayita,

Now I am upset with you, for apologising for 'wasting my time'! Never do that again, my dear. I am fond of young people - my son Sasha (my id comes from his name and mine) is probably a little older than you are, and I always have time and more for your age-group, and I really enjoy interacting with you folks.

Secondly, and I repeat, you were not wrong, only premature. And don't feel depressed that what you wanted did not happen, but think that it was something beautiful in the works, only she died too soon. Morever, my dear, I think it is very touching and reassuring that a man can love a woman - in this case Roshni - so deeply and enduringly. I would not have felt the same if he had fallen in love with the first pretty girl he met after Roshni was murdered; it would have made me think less of Arjun. Would you not have felt the same? I think you would.

Agent Vinod is a James Bond type film, and you have to pay close attention to the scenes, as there is a lot of shifting between places all over the world, and it is a very complicated story. But I liked that passage very much - that he wants to go back again and again to that place between life and death - that is when he feels fully alive. I am not at all like that, but I can understand some people's need for that constant adrenaline rush.

Another film I would recommend unreservedly is Kahaani, with Vidya Balan. It is truly superb. Try it, if you have not seen it already.

Take care.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Masin,
I wanted to respond to both your posts at one go, so here we go.
I have NO idea WHAT you are talking about when you say that your grammar is 'pathetic'. unless you have edited the whole before I got to it just now! I am a stickler forcorrect spelling and syntax and the rest, and I could find nothing wrong anywhere in your very interesting post. In fact, you made my day, for there could be no greater compliment than to have someone else not just to take the trouble to read my lengthy post so carefully, but to comment on it in so much detail and so intelligently. I cannot thank you enough!
After going thru your comments with the attention they deserve, I have come round to your way of thinking on
(1) why Rathore has not yet taken steps to make Riya a good shot, and what he should do to that end , while not sending her back to the Research Unit. On this last, you are right and I was wrong, and
(2) on why Arjun handles that charas distributor the way he does.
I also am of a mind with your wrt @ blue in your comments, about Riya and the desirable pace of the development of the likely Arjun-Riya relationship. If you had chanced on one of my earlier posts about show timings, you would have seen that I had said there:
As for Arjun and Riya, I am sure he will fall in love with her eventually, but it is bound to take a long while (provided the series does well and lasts!). Right now, he is all raw and bleeding inside, and all he wants is to kill that Sikandar who murdered his Roshni. It isinteresting, his wife's name, for with her passing, all the light seems to have gone out of his life.
You would hardly respect him if he forgot such a beloved wife, who was, moreover, murdered right in front of him, so easily, would you? I would not. If it takes time for Riya to get thru to him,he will be that much more worthwhile as a catch!
Practically the only point on which I do not agree with you is when you say:
"I just want Arjun and Roshni's relationship to be out of the way before Riya steps in. To put it simply, Arjun needs to "fall out of love" with Roshni, otherwise there will not be any room for Riya."
Arjun will NEVER 'fall out of love' with Roshni(for whom I too have a VERY soft corner; sheis so lovely and full of life, so warm and loving and yet so much her own person). With time, that love may become a beautiful ehsaas, laid away in lavender in an inner recess of his being, but it will always be there, and it should be.
Right now, he is still largely living in his past,and a too sudden invasion of his innermost private space by even a limited emotional dependence on Riya will only make him feel that he is betraying the memory of his dead wife, and drive him away from Riya. Even after he has taken due revenge on Sikandar, he has to learn to accept this (hopefully) newbond with Riya as something that will not subtract anything from his love for Roshni, which will always be part of him, but as an addition that will be his strength. One can love two people in different ways, especially if one of them is not a physical presence. As for Riya, she has to learn to deal with that - itis like buying a house with a prior mortgage- and if she really loves him, she will.
All this will take time if it is to be at all credible, and I too devoutly hope the CVs do not take any shortcuts that will destroy the integrity of their characters, especially that ofArjun.
Once again, thank you for such a delightful and creative response. I hope that I can depend on you for similar efforts on my behalf when I next attempt something of thesame kind, for an episode that calls for a detailed analysis.
Shyamala B.Cowsik

Aunty, I finished this one too and again filled some more interest in me for the show.
And I totally agree with you on the ArHea matter. I don't feel that he need to forget his beloved Roshini to love Rhea or anyone else. What he need is to come out of the gruff-tough shell he has put just like a emotion-proof costume.
He just need to keep the fond memories of her to live his life again. Love is limitless. It need not to be shared because it doesnot exsist in a limited amount that one needs to divide that. Love just extends its amount as its number of contenders hike, this is what I think.
And please don't call it a trouble to read your post. It is rather interesting to read your posts.
Regards,
Sanchayita.

My dear Purva,

I am glad to have been of any help.

It was difficult to make out where exactly the Arjun-Riya relationship was when she died, except that it was not love on his side and probably not on hers either, as you have noted. The best assessment I can give is that there was undoubtedly protectiveness, and a degree of concern and affection on his side, and a kind of hero worship on hers. I think both would have come closer given time and circumstances, but now of course all that is history.

But I am sure Arjun as a detective serial will become even better as it proceeds.

Take care my dear, and have a wonderful Deepavali next week with your family and friends.

Shyamala Aunty.

Originally posted by: tani23

@Bold ...i read dis post from u aunty

n i realized Dat it was never Love from arjun's side...it is just respect which u generally have towards ur colleagues...

He behaved similarly wid Shireen (As a sister)

n besides dis even if I consider Ria's Side,,...She always respected him (as her boss, as a very smart cop, as a mentor)

i personally never thot dat she liked him ...Initially it was her curiosity of finding about him ...

n den when she realized about sum mishap in his past...it is natural to develop a feeling of sympathy for d person...which l8er evolved into respect but definitely not Love

I realized dese points after going through d points puttted up by u

so thanks for dem

Love n regards

Purva

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Sanchayita,


Despite all the holes - some of which, like the passport numbers and the names on the woman's passport, were minor and could have been easily avoided - it was still a very clever episode, and the double jeopardy angle was a first and very novel.

Also, I would not discount the beginning of an emotional connect between Arjun and Riya here, not at all. He cups her face with a genuine and protective affection when she will not stop crying and cannot take in what he is saying. It is an instinctive reaction, not a deliberated one, which only strengthens this point.

But I think he would have done the same if it had been Shereen, the young girl he rescues from Pathan in the first episode, the one who runs to hug him at the party in the latest one. He would have hugged her comfortingly, and he might even have kissed her on the forehead, which is what one does to a frightened child.

He does not do any of that to Riya for obvious reasons, but in her case, the sentiment is the same - protectiveness and a dawning affection. But it is not yet love. He is simply not ready for it, and I think they had that flashback in the latest episode only to drive home that point.

So you see, it is not that your feelings about this were wrong, only that they were premature. If Riya had survived, I was sure that once Sikandar had been killed and Roshni had been revenged, Arjun would have come round to loving Riya, perhaps not as he loved Roshni, but loving her nonetheless. Please see my responses to masin above; this point is elaborated there.

If you have seen the Saif-Kareena film Agent Vinod, my comment to Faiza above about that film and Arjun would also interest you.

Shyamala Aunty.

My dear Sanchayita,

You have summed up the most important thing about life very neatly. Love IS limitless, whether it is between siblings, lovers, or parents and children. One should never doubt that.

Take care,my dear, and I am sure you will ace your exams.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: SanchayitaM

Aunty, I finished this one too and again filled some more interest in me for the show.
And I totally agree with you on the ArHea matter. I don't feel that he need to forget his beloved Roshini to love Rhea or anyone else. What he need is to come out of the gruff-tough shell he has put just like a emotion-proof costume.
He just need to keep the fond memories of her to live his life again. Love is limitless. It need not to be shared because it doesnot exsist in a limited amount that one needs to divide that. Love just extends its amount as its number of contenders hike, this is what I think.
And please don't call it a trouble to read your post. It is rather interesting to read your posts.
Regards,
Sanchayita.

Edited by sashashyam - 13 years ago

Thank you so much. I will give my best to the exams, because I have to crack them this time.
Regards,
-Sanchayita.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Sanchayita,

You have summed up the most important thing about life very neatly. Love IS limitless, whether it is between siblings, lovers, or parents and children. One should never doubt that.

Take care,my dear, and I am sure you will ace your exams.

Shyamala Aunty