Death of a stockbroker: a reappraisal

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Folks,

I saw, from the posts in the forum about this episode, finally shown 2 weeks late on Sunday last, that it was felt to be somewhat incomplete, adhoora, and thus not quite satisfactory. In my view, however, the episode, which is more complex and layered than the norm in this serial, deserves some reappraisal, whence this post.

To begin with, it is true that because of the 2 weeks delay, the episode seemed dated in terms of the relationships within the ETF team. Arjun was far more abrupt than he is these days, and not only snubbed Shree bluntly about the TV channel, but went out of his way to needle Rathod about the 'torture' angle, ending with his trademark Samjhe ki samjhaoon? Rathod reacts in kind, and hits back at Arjun when he and Chhotu fail to capture the key witness Munna Yadav alive.

Nonetheless, the scene between Arjun and Pathan was a landmark, in that we learnt for the first time how brutally Roshni was murdered, and the savagery of Arjun's reaction to Pathan's baiting him showed the undiminished depth of his despair at his having failed to protect his beloved wife from her killers.

A double track plot: Having got this out of the way, we come to the plot per se. It is (like the later swimming pool murder case) a double track plot, unlike the bank van robbery case, which was not just a single track one, but was devoid of any striking plot angles.

In fact the only highlight in the bank robbery episode was Riya's getting shot - because of her own incompetence, as noted in my post on that episode. She then compounds her folly by moaning Sir, mujhe bacha leejiye, like a typical movie heroine rather than an ETF professional, when she should have said sorry for endangering his life as well as hers. Then we have Arjun leaping into the air like a superhero (shown three times in loving slow mo and thus reduced to a caricature) and producing an incredibly accurate display of ambidextrous shooting. It was altogether larger than life and lacking in credibility. It was also strange to see the ETF going about with a window of their car rolled down conveniently for a smoke bomb to be lobbed in, nor could one understand why Shree did not pick it up at once and throw it out of the same window. A major plot hole if ever there was one!

Here, in contrast, there is the hawala track of Jaisingh and the sleazy criminal lawyer Varun Katiyal on the one hand, and the main murder track of the stockbroker on the other. As in the swimming pool mystery, the two tracks seem at one point to be linked, but they are really not so. The hawala track peters out into a non event, and in a refreshingly realistic approach, Varun Katiyal and his crooked client Jaisingh apparently get off scot free, despite the CCTV recording showing Katiyal at the entrance to Kalpesh's office building just after the murder. But while it lasts, the double track adds to the confusion and the complexity of the case, and keeps us guessing.

Dark Tone: Of all the episodes we have seen so far, this one has the darkest characters, whose actions are rooted in the most debased motives: greed, unhealthy obsession, and depravity and disloyalty triggering a blind, murderous hatred. It seems more like a bitter tale by Guy de Maupassant or Somerset Maugham than a TV plot. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth at the end, but nonetheless it is plumbs the depths of human behaviour with rare maturity.

For this very reason, it also has one of the most credible motives for murder that one could find- the bitter hatred of a woman humiliated beyond bearing.

Here is a middle aged mother of a grown up daughter, who falls for a much younger man, has a hopeless affair with him, and is obsessed with him to the point of handing over the management of her whole fortune to him. He however is merely using her for his own ends, and disregards her once he has found his feet in his stockbroking business. He returns only when the daughter tempts him, as a way of permanently acquiring control of the wealth she will inherit, and he banks on the conviction that the mother will be too ashamed of herself to tell her daughter the truth and stop the wedding. Where he fails is in gauging the depth of the violence he triggers in a woman scorned and degraded, and he gets what can only be called a well-deserved, if somewhat excessive comeuppance.

It thus seems totally off the mark for Arjun to lecture the mother, at the end, on what true love should be i.e. setting the loved one free to follow his or her chosen path. Arjun forgets that what Kalpesh was proposing to do - to try and marry the daughter after having had an affair with her mother, and both solely for his own selfish ends - is something debased beyond belief, and bound to eventually ruin the daughter's life as well.

Arjun's reaction seems rooted in his moral outrage at the mother's immoral behaviour, plus what seems to be her shocking readiness to make her daughter a scapegoat for the crime she has committed. Rathod echoes the latter, but neither of them has anything to say about Kalpesh's ultra-sleazy actions. Male chauvinism in action, would you say?

A fallible Arjun : The fight in the bar stood out, not for the swift efficiency we have come to expect from our super cop, but for the opposite. By making Arjun first fallible, and then unconvincingly defensive, it made him seem more human and thus more believable.

The sequence was over long and contrived, like a 1980s Amitabh Bachchan action scene. Why break so many beer bottles over assorted heads, and why have so many martial arts style kicks in slow mo, when Munna could have been knocked out and safely handcuffed in the first 2 minutes? In fact, this is the first ever display of downright incompetence by Arjun; he and Chhotu make a hash of the whole and let Munna escape while they are busy with the aforesaid beer bottles, and then chase him fruitlessly.

They might have saved their breath, for the iron clad TV serial rule for such scenes is that (1) the target should run right in the middle of the road till (2) he is hit by a truck that does not brake at all when he is sighted, and that (3) is he is a key witness, he should kick the bucket at once, even if there is only a minor head injury and very little blood. No wonder Rathod blows his top, and Arjun's self-exculpatory comments ring very hollow.

Difference in working styles: More than any other episode so far, this one highlights the contrasting working styles of Rathod - standard but very thorough police procedure, based on conventional deductions from the evidence (whence his conclusion, from the footmarks, that there was more than one murderer) - and of Arjun - out of the box analysis, coupled at times with intuitive flashes that light his path to the correct conclusion. Arjun's spotting the crucial CCTV camera located opposite Kalpesh's building is a stroke of pure detective genius, as is his even more remarkable identification of the ambulance siren in the background of Pammi's voice mail to Kalpesh.

Ironically, both their methods fail when the two conclude that it was the murderer(s) who were hunting for a crucial document after killing Kalpesh, whereas the truth is that the murder and the search were not connected at all. The difference between them is that eventually, Arjun corrects his mistaken conclusion; Rathod is unable to do so.

As for Riya, for all her thoroughness in collating data, she lacks the necessary suspicious mind when it comes to Pammi's hotel-based 'alibi', and she takes the statements of the hotel staff for granted too easily. She will have to learn to be less trusting, just as much as she will have to learn to shoot unhesitatingly and straight.

Fascinating cameo: While not measuring up to the sadistic malevolence of the remorseless, totally unemotional killer in the stolen Ganesha case (that Baiju was a tour de force of cold-bloodedness, indeed of a kind of horrifying delight in killing), the unapologetically sleazy Varun Katiyal is an excellent cameo. He is a showoff and a twister of the worst kind, and he is experienced enough and sharp enough to outwit the ETF this time around, and this only makes the show more realistic. Let us see what happens in the future. I shall be rooting for something nasty to happen to him.

Riya,Rathod & Arjun: Finally, I cannot really endorse the speculations, based on the exchange of remarks at the end between Riya and Rathod, that the latter is developing a soft corner for Riya. The various instances of 'love' in this case, that are referred to by Riya, are, as discussed above, of a distorted and debased sort. Riya naturally feels disillusioned by them, and says so. To my mind, all that Rathod means by his response 'log complicated ho gaye hain' is that the degradation that shocks her is in these people, not in the sentiment of love.

He is a simple and straightforward man, with a direct approach to people and things, and while he is invariably kind and supportive of his young team members, including Riya, there is nothing to suggest that he feels any differently towards her than towards the rest.

As for Arjun, his plunging between them in a surprisingly abrupt and unmannerly fashion, even by his standards, seems to be most likely a continuation of the acute disgust that he feels (and voices) about Pammi, and the extra irritability that follows from that. This would explain the indulgent, half-smiling amusement with which Riya looks after him, and the exasperated, long-suffering look on Rathod's face. I do not feel that there is any question, at this stage, of Arjun feeling anything romantic about Riya, not to speak of anything as strong as jealous possessiveness. His total emotional absorption with Roshni, brought out so clearly in the furious showdown with Pathan, would be enough to rule out any such interpretations.

All in all, I felt that this was a complex and curiously satisfying episode. Would you agree with me?

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hi dear again...
Long post as usual,you wouldnt be a journalist or novelist by the way???
I mean you really have a critical mind about the episodes and really i love reading your POV, its very refreshing😊
As for the episode, yes it was a much awaited episode, and it was worth it...
We got a glimpse of how Roshni was brutally murdered😭, and how Arjun holds himself responsible for it😭
N i also agree that till now we cant say Arjun has any feelings for Riya, except he treats her as his junior.
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This was a pretty well thought and well observed post. Very interesting, I say.
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Dear Haruhi,

Thanks, both for your patience and for your comments. No, I am not a journalist or a novelist, but I was a professional diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service for nearly 38 years - the last 15 of them as Ambassador to 5 different countries one after the other - and now I am retired. So the lifelong habit of in depth analysis persists!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: haruhi26

hi dear again...

Long post as usual,you wouldnt be a journalist or novelist by the way???
I mean you really have a critical mind about the episodes and really i love reading your POV, its very refreshing😊
As for the episode, yes it was a much awaited episode, and it was worth it...
We got a glimpse of how Roshni was brutally murdered😭, and how Arjun holds himself responsible for it😭
N i also agree that till now we cant say Arjun has any feelings for Riya, except he treats her as his junior.

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Dear ivre,

Thanks a lot. I must return the compliment and tell you how much I am enjoying your Tragedy of Death, which bids fair to become an excellent piece of detective fiction. I am following it with keen interest, and as I had noted on that thread, I hope you will be able to update it frequently and keep up the momentum. More power to your elbow!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: ivre

This was a pretty well thought and well observed post. Very interesting, I say.

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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Folks,

I saw, from the posts in the forum about this episode, finally shown 2 weeks late on Sunday last, that it was felt to be somewhat incomplete, adhoora, and thus not quite satisfactory. In my view, however, the episode, which is more complex and layered than the norm in this serial, deserves some reappraisal, whence this post.

To begin with, it is true that because of the 2 weeks delay, the episode seemed dated in terms of the relationships within the ETF team. Arjun was far more abrupt than he is these days, and not only snubbed Shree bluntly about the TV channel, but went out of his way to needle Rathod about the 'torture' angle, ending with his trademark Samjhe ki samjhaoon? Rathod reacts in kind, and hits back at Arjun when he and Chhotu fail to capture the key witness Munna Yadav alive.

The trademark line is annoying when it comes to uttering it at most inconspicuous times. After theorizing a lead, patronizing the team isn't necessary. It's just juvenile and frankly demeaning to the rest. Rathore reacts the way he does and the rest of the team look around sheepishly. Arjun borderlines between a good officer and a total jerk sometimes. Sure you carry personal tragedy but that doesn't warrant a behavior that's expected out of a senior officer.

Nonetheless, the scene between Arjun and Pathan was a landmark, in that we learnt for the first time how brutally Roshni was murdered, and the savagery of Arjun's reaction to Pathan's baiting him showed the undiminished depth of his despair at his having failed to protect his beloved wife from her killers.

This mytharc (am going with common colloquial term used in series) about Roshni and Arjun is something I always look forward to. The extent of devolution of Arjun is evident in the way he isn't what he was before. But this amount of structural damage would also reflect on the the way Roshni met her demise. I wish this exploration happens in every other episode and not once in a fortnight. This would keep the mytharc alive with the case they are working on and the characters actually evolve - as individuals and also as a team which would be a treat to watch. However that being said, it isn't entirely clear as to what is the status of the investigation.

A double track plot: Having got this out of the way, we come to the plot per se. It is (like the later swimming pool murder case) a double track plot, unlike the bank van robbery case, which was not just a single track one, but was devoid of any striking plot angles.

In fact the only highlight in the bank robbery episode was Riya's getting shot - because of her own incompetence, as noted in my post on that episode. She then compounds her folly by moaning Sir, mujhe bacha leejiye, like a typical movie heroine rather than an ETF professional, when she should have said sorry for endangering his life as well as hers. Then we have Arjun leaping into the air like a superhero (shown three times in loving slow mo and thus reduced to a caricature) and producing an incredibly accurate display of ambidextrous shooting. It was altogether larger than life and lacking in credibility. It was also strange to see the ETF going about with a window of their car rolled down conveniently for a smoke bomb to be lobbed in, nor could one understand why Shree did not pick it up at once and throw it out of the same window. A major plot hole if ever there was one!

The only thing lacked in the bank robbery episode was - Arjun without a red cape. Everything was set - damsel in distress, shady place, shady villains and public money. The setting is right out of a 60's cliched overtly used plot line and the last twenty minutes of the episode was just repetition. Everything would have changed if Riya hadn't told him about saving her and just asked him to do his job. Or better yet, get out of his way. In an earlier episode Rathore mentions about Riya's lack of shooting skills "If you aimed at the person next to the target, you may actually hit the target." He knows that she isn't ready to wield a weapon yet he doesn't stop her from going into hostile situations where firing her weapon maybe necessary! Smoke bomb - I hear you!

Here, in contrast, there is the hawala track of Jaisingh and the sleazy criminal lawyer Varun Katiyal on the one hand, and the main murder track of the stockbroker on the other. As in the swimming pool mystery, the two tracks seem at one point to be linked, but they are really not so. The hawala track peters out into a non event, and in a refreshingly realistic approach, Varun Katiyal and his crooked client Jaisingh apparently get off scot free, despite the CCTV recording showing Katiyal at the entrance to Kalpesh's office building just after the murder. But while it lasts, the double track adds to the confusion and the complexity of the case, and keeps us guessing.

I felt it was more of an interlude to add on to mytharc of Arjun's unsolved case. There has to be a way a confrontation should happen between Arjun and Pathan so that the mytharc is kept alive. It confused the viewers and added on to the story and introduced the criminal lawyer - who I believe we will be seeing more in coming episodes.

Dark Tone: Of all the episodes we have seen so far, this one has the darkest characters, whose actions are rooted in the most debased motives: greed, unhealthy obsession, and depravity and disloyalty triggering a blind, murderous hatred. It seems more like a bitter tale by Guy de Maupassant or Somerset Maugham than a TV plot. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth at the end, but nonetheless it is plumbs the depths of human behaviour with rare maturity.

For this very reason, it also has one of the most credible motives for murder that one could find- the bitter hatred of a woman humiliated beyond bearing.

Motive - probably the most primordial one and actually something common, dark and can see the downside of obsession. I liked the characters in this episode though most of the details about them comes from third person conversation - a trait I both like and dislike. In episodes such as these, they could have simply inserted a photo or two of the mother and the stock broker so that the implication of their actions are more profound. Also about how the mother saw the same man she had affair with, conversed and acted around her daughter. The impact would have been much higher.

However, the subtle implications at the start and the confession sorts of plays out in advantage giving more room for debate. The expressions on the cops' is worth to watch when the mother explains about her affair with her daughter's fiance.

Here is a middle aged mother of a grown up daughter, who falls for a much younger man, has a hopeless affair with him, and is obsessed with him to the point of handing over the management of her whole fortune to him. He however is merely using her for his own ends, and disregards her once he has found his feet in his stockbroking business. He returns only when the daughter tempts him, as a way of permanently acquiring control of the wealth she will inherit, and he banks on the conviction that the mother will be too ashamed of herself to tell her daughter the truth and stop the wedding. Where he fails is in gauging the depth of the violence he triggers in a woman scorned and degraded, and he gets what can only be called a well-deserved, if somewhat excessive comeuppance.

It thus seems totally off the mark for Arjun to lecture the mother, at the end, on what true love should be i.e. setting the loved one free to follow his or her chosen path. Arjun forgets that what Kalpesh was proposing to do - to try and marry the daughter after having had an affair with her mother, and both solely for his own selfish ends - is something debased beyond belief, and bound to eventually ruin the daughter's life as well.

Arjun's reaction seems rooted in his moral outrage at the mother's immoral behaviour, plus what seems to be her shocking readiness to make her daughter a scapegoat for the crime she has committed. Rathod echoes the latter, but neither of them has anything to say about Kalpesh's ultra-sleazy actions. Male chauvinism in action, would you say?

The summarizing seemed to me from the extent of an emotion gone wrong. Neither the mother nor the stock broker is innocent here but one committed a crime against the other. I wish a male character had mentioned about the man's behavior but was surprising none did. The actions of mother is highlighted to a greater extent may be because of her taking her personal greed and selfishness to an elevated level by trying to frame her own daughter. I liked how Arjun shot her a look which said - "Are you f**king kidding me?"

A fallible Arjun : The fight in the bar stood out, not for the swift efficiency we have come to expect from our super cop, but for the opposite. By making Arjun first fallible, and then unconvincingly defensive, it made him seem more human and thus more believable.

The sequence was over long and contrived, like a 1980s Amitabh Bachchan action scene. Why break so many beer bottles over assorted heads, and why have so many martial arts style kicks in slow mo, when Munna could have been knocked out and safely handcuffed in the first 2 minutes? In fact, this is the first ever display of downright incompetence by Arjun; he and Chhotu make a hash of the whole and let Munna escape while they are busy with the aforesaid beer bottles, and then chase him fruitlessly.

This was a waste of time and just give some ego a nice boost. Really, what's the point? You know who the guy is, flash your badge and get the guy. If he runs or attacks, then hit him back. I didn't see a need for them to go undercover. It's strange how easily cops try to work around a situation where in they have to bust a criminal but have to ensure that the criminal doesn't know they are cops. It just doesn't make sense. I never understood the concept of fight scenes and this "daring" attitude. They could have very easily organized a raid by exercise department - it's a liquor bar and could have easily surrounded the entire premises. Isn't that less dangerous and I don't know...much logical? The disregard for human life being it for self or others in these larger than life scenarios is just pathetic attempt for uncalled hedonist heroism.

They might have saved their breath, for the iron clad TV serial rule for such scenes is that (1) the target should run right in the middle of the road till (2) he is hit by a truck that does not brake at all when he is sighted, and that (3) is he is a key witness, he should kick the bucket at once, even if there is only a minor head injury and very little blood. No wonder Rathod blows his top, and Arjun's self-exculpatory comments ring very hollow.

😆 That's all I can say. Cliche Gods at work here! You forgot one part. After hitting the man, the truck just cruises by without stopping. And did you notice - the road is empty..

Difference in working styles: More than any other episode so far, this one highlights the contrasting working styles of Rathod - standard but very thorough police procedure, based on conventional deductions from the evidence (whence his conclusion, from the footmarks, that there was more than one murderer) - and of Arjun - out of the box analysis, coupled at times with intuitive flashes that light his path to the correct conclusion. Arjun's spotting the crucial CCTV camera located opposite Kalpesh's building is a stroke of pure detective genius, as is his even more remarkable identification of the ambulance siren in the background of Pammi's voice mail to Kalpesh.

The working style conflict has been evident since day one. Arjun follows his own code while Rathore follows the procedure. I am alright to an extent when personal methodology induces itself into standard procedure but what Arjun does is something no one can predict or keep up with. It could also be because he worked solo for most part of his career and without a team, you tend to deviate from the norm and operate in anyway necessary within the legal purview and get the work done. However while being in a team, it becomes both erratic and chaotic when too much of a deviation is seen. I am all for individuality but it should end up being complementing others in the team and not always contradicting.

Arjun has brilliant deductions over the course of series while the rest - not so much. This imbalance sometimes pricks me and then I remember the title of the series 😊 So I pardon the writers for highlighting Arjun's smartness always.

Ironically, both their methods fail when the two conclude that it was the murderer(s) who were hunting for a crucial document after killing Kalpesh, whereas the truth is that the murder and the search were not connected at all. The difference between them is that eventually, Arjun corrects his mistaken conclusion; Rathod is unable to do so.

This is one of the instances which I really want to see more often. The bleakness with which Arjun says that his was wrong in his deduction and now it's clear. The frankness in the way he accepts gives him that extra brownie you save for the very end. It's not a mute acceptance but one that makes him and people around him aware.

As for Riya, for all her thoroughness in collating data, she lacks the necessary suspicious mind when it comes to Pammi's hotel-based 'alibi', and she takes the statements of the hotel staff for granted too easily. She will have to learn to be less trusting, just as much as she will have to learn to shoot unhesitatingly and straight.

I love statistics. When Spencer Reid sprouts statistical data, I re-watch the scene couple of times and sometimes even Google them. The reason why I like Riya is almost same though her analysis of the data is not very much explored. Wish the writers gave it a shot. When it comes to statements, at one point you have to trust and assume that witness are telling the truth. If they go second guessing every witness, the case would take longer time to solve and they would have less time to pursue a lead.

She did shoot finally and how! Anyway, more analysis from her would be nice, based on her data collection abilities and the statistical knowledge that she possess. That's a request for the writers to use her ability in one of the cases in future...

Fascinating cameo: While not measuring up to the sadistic malevolence of the remorseless, totally unemotional killer in the stolen Ganesha case (that Baiju was a tour de force of cold-bloodedness, indeed of a kind of horrifying delight in killing), the unapologetically sleazy Varun Katiyal is an excellent cameo. He is a showoff and a twister of the worst kind, and he is experienced enough and sharp enough to outwit the ETF this time around, and this only makes the show more realistic. Let us see what happens in the future. I shall be rooting for something nasty to happen to him.

I like him. The way the character is written, introduced and delivered were all spotless. If this is one of the adversary for the mytharc, then I am really looking forward to the other players in the run. The showing off part was so callous and casual that I was cheering for Arjun to smack that smirk off his face. If a character edicts such a response from me, then they definitely get five stars. I will look forward for this character to come again and the confrontation between him and Rathore would be worth a watch. Rathore is much controlled than Arjun and has more respect for law and authority. So when that same authority is being misused, it would be interesting to watch how Rathore will converse...

Riya,Rathod & Arjun: Finally, I cannot really endorse the speculations, based on the exchange of remarks at the end between Riya and Rathod, that the latter is developing a soft corner for Riya. The various instances of 'love' in this case, that are referred to by Riya, are, as discussed above, of a distorted and debased sort. Riya naturally feels disillusioned by them, and says so. To my mind, all that Rathod means by his response 'log complicated ho gaye hain' is that the degradation that shocks her is in these people, not in the sentiment of love.

He is a simple and straightforward man, with a direct approach to people and things, and while he is invariably kind and supportive of his young team members, including Riya, there is nothing to suggest that he feels any differently towards her than towards the rest.

Rathore is more controlled than Arjun but definitely less intense. The structured way of thinking may be slow in some cases but is damn effective if resources are used efficiently. I think Rathore and Riya would work most effectively and efficiently as their view of dealing with the case are along similar lines. Both stick to protocol and paper work and I guess this is also the reason why pairing either one with Arjun leads to an explosive result. They bring out both best and worst in each other making either one or both losing patience and temper. Arjun and Rathore can become the best crime solving duo once they get past their differences but I guess that tension between them is the selling factor.

And yeah - Arjun doesn't feel anything for Riya. I don't like intra-team romance mainly because its distracting in the field and throws off the team dynamics. That's probably the reason why fraternizing inside a department in not allowed in many law enforcement agencies. I, personally, find it an extreme cliche - barring Mulder and Scully, of course.

[If you follow Criminal Minds, you must be knowing the fan following for Hotch-Prentiss. It was no where hinted about the two of them being remotely involved but many fans indulged in that fantasy. There was this thing about them - the conversations and the way she spoke with him that got the fans in a spiral. The season seven finale had them share a dance, well she shared dances with everyone but these two had this moment where they exchange few words and fans went crazy. Few weeks ago one of the writers mentioned that it was a nod to all the fans who wanted Hotch and Prentiss together; though everyone knew that it was never going to happen just because of the premise of the show, the writers wanted to show in one scene 'what if' for the fans as it was Prentiss's last episode. I love little things like these when writers acknowledge fans yet don't break the momentum of the show.]

As for Arjun, his plunging between them in a surprisingly abrupt and unmannerly fashion, even by his standards, seems to be most likely a continuation of the acute disgust that he feels (and voices) about Pammi, and the extra irritability that follows from that. This would explain the indulgent, half-smiling amusement with which Riya looks after him, and the exasperated, long-suffering look on Rathod's face. I do not feel that there is any question, at this stage, of Arjun feeling anything romantic about Riya, not to speak of anything as strong as jealous possessiveness. His total emotional absorption with Roshni, brought out so clearly in the furious showdown with Pathan, would be enough to rule out any such interpretations.

It took me by surprise for a moment but also made me smile. It was signature Arjun - brash and nonchalant about small etiquette. Expressions of Riya and Rathore were bang on and exposed their characterization with respect to Arjun really well.

All in all, I felt that this was a complex and curiously satisfying episode. Would you agree with me?

I was bit disappointed with the episode maybe because of the delayed airing as it took several steps back with characterization and continuity. I liked the one previous to this episode - the two murders one. Mainly because there was no trademark dialogue and Arjun was more subdued and there was team work.

Sookie

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Dear Sookie,

I am immensely flattered by your taking the time out to make such a very detailed and eminently well structured (and informative) response to my post.

We seem to be of one mind on practically everything you have noted here. So much so that when I started marking the parts I liked best in red, it soon began to look like an old time Communist manifesto! I am thus weeding out some, but in fact I liked them all very, very much.

I did not know the term 'mytharc' but it is an evocative one, and I am glad I have learnt something new today.

The 'red cape' bit is priceless! It was such a ridiculous scene. And she has to be hospitalised for 10 days for what seems to be a simple shot in the arm that needs only a small bandage from Shree? Re: Rathod letting Riya go into action mode with her pathetic shooting skills, I have noted before that it is plain irresponsible towards the rest of the ETF, in this case towards Arjun.

As for 'The expressions on the cops' is worth to watch when the mother explains about her affair with her daughter's fiance', it is the male mentality at work. Rathod, if you remember, reacts similarly when that nurse Maya in the organs trafficking case is nonchalant about her lover, Dr. Jatin, marrying the second sister as well to keep his hold on the Jain family property.

I too hope that we see more of Varun Katyal. When you watch him in action, you can completely understand the rationale for what was shown in a recent film called The Fox- Sunny Deol was there a cop who systematically bumped off 5 of the worst specimens of the genus Katiyal. He got caught in the end, more was the pity, but I suppose the censors would not have cleared it otherwise! That Baiju is the stolen Ganesha episode was superb too, though he was basically a single note psychopath who enjoys the act of killing.

When it comes to statements, at one point you have to trust and assume that witness are telling the truth. If they go second guessing every witness, the case would take longer time to solve and they would have less time to pursue a lead. I agree; you are right on this one and I was not.

As for the several steps backward in characterisation and continuity because of the 2 weeks delay in telecasting, I have noted exactly the same thing in my post.But when you say I liked the one previous to this episode - the two murders one, do you mean the 'exchange murders' one loosely based on the Hitchcock classic, Strangers on a Train? That was the one in which I could not spot any plot hole at all, and that is quite something.

And yes, this time I missed the no stopping by the killer truck, and I forgot to mention the impossibly empty road!


I used to love the X Files, but I have never watched Criminal Minds even when I was abroad on my diplomatic postings, and I do not think we can get it here.Is it on ABC or NBC or such like? But I was interested in what you had to say about the way the channel tackled viewer obsession with a romantic slant to the relationship between the lead detective duo. I used to watch one called Damages, about a literally criminal woman lawyer (Glenn Close) who was the main protagonist, but I abandoned it when I could not take any more of serial betrayals and extreme, and at times murderous, deviousness. There is only so much you want to watch about twisted minds.

I also feel the same about the undesirable consequences of intra-team romances. Apart from being a cliche, as you have noted, it would also make both more risk averse as far at the other was concerned, and then what of the rest of the team?

You know, in some ways Arjun reminds me of Sherlock Holmes (I do not know if you are at all a Conan Doyle aficionada) - the same unsociable, off putting traits, the same overt contempt for lesser minds, the same loner mentality, the same very sharp eye for the telling detail, the same sudden brilliance in seeing connections and patterns that others cannot see, and the same insistence (shared by Agatha Christie's otherwise less well drawn Hercule Poirot) that the final theory must explain EVERY single fact without exception. Of course Holmes is conveniently a misogynist, and thus has no back story of a dead love like a millstone round his neck, nor would he ever burden himself with tiresome female assistants who might develop a crush on him and cramp his style!

Oh dear, I have meandered on for almost as long as my original post, but I shall lay all this at your door, for your post was so delightful that I just HAD to respond in kind. Thanks a lot once again for your invigorating comments. I liked them better than my original piece!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Folks,

I saw, from the posts in the forum about this episode, finally shown 2 weeks late on Sunday last, that it was felt to be somewhat incomplete, adhoora, and thus not quite satisfactory. In my view, however, the episode, which is more complex and layered than the norm in this serial, deserves some reappraisal, whence this post.

hey dear...glad ur here 😛 n yes the episode sure needs to be reviewed n who else can do the job better than u...😉 n im back with my little reply...😳

To begin with, it is true that because of the 2 weeks delay, the episode seemed dated in terms of the relationships within the ETF team. Arjun was far more abrupt than he is these days, and not only snubbed Shree bluntly about the TV channel, but went out of his way to needle Rathod about the 'torture' angle, ending with his trademark Samjhe ki samjhaoon? Rathod reacts in kind, and hits back at Arjun when he and Chhotu fail to capture the key witness Munna Yadav alive.

😆 to be honest, i had high expectations from this episode but don't know why it didn't go down well with me...

Nonetheless, the scene between Arjun and Pathan was a landmark, in that we learnt for the first time how brutally Roshni was murdered, and the savagery of Arjun's reaction to Pathan's baiting him showed the undiminished depth of his despair at his having failed to protect his beloved wife from her killers.

that scene was the best one...arjun's anger was justified n the way pathan instigated arjun to lash out was really below the belt ..😡 the pain that arjun had gone through all these years came out as that hard punch on pathan's face...he failed to protect his own wife; his love,his life...now i really wanna see that sikander, who killed roshni,soon...😳

A double track plot: Having got this out of the way, we come to the plot per se. It is (like the later swimming pool murder case) a double track plot, unlike the bank van robbery case, which was not just a single track one, but was devoid of any striking plot angles. right u r ...👍🏼

In fact the only highlight in the bank robbery episode was Riya's getting shot - because of her own incompetence, as noted in my post on that episode. She then compounds her folly by moaning Sir, mujhe bacha leejiye, like a typical movie heroine rather than an ETF professional, when she should have said sorry for endangering his life as well as hers. Then we have Arjun leaping into the air like a superhero (shown three times in loving slow mo and thus reduced to a caricature) and producing an incredibly accurate display of ambidextrous shooting. It was altogether larger than life and lacking in credibility. It was also strange to see the ETF going about with a window of their car rolled down conveniently for a smoke bomb to be lobbed in, nor could one understand why Shree did not pick it up at once and throw it out of the same window. A major plot hole if ever there was one!

😆 anything that connect's ariya is ok for me...😆 be it riya getting sht or arjun doing matrix stunts to save her...😉 but i know everyone doesn't feel the same way as i do...n i do respect the feelings n views of each n every member of this forum...😃 that bomb thing was a stunner for me too dear...how irresponsible on part of ETF...to go on a mission as if going on a holiday...😆

Here, in contrast, there is the hawala track of Jaisingh and the sleazy criminal lawyer Varun Katiyal on the one hand, and the main murder track of the stockbroker on the other. As in the swimming pool mystery, the two tracks seem at one point to be linked, but they are really not so. The hawala track peters out into a non event, and in a refreshingly realistic approach, Varun Katiyal and his crooked client Jaisingh apparently get off scot free, despite the CCTV recording showing Katiyal at the entrance to Kalpesh's office building just after the murder. But while it lasts, the double track adds to the confusion and the complexity of the case, and keeps us guessing.

the track had a lot of potential but i still think that it would have been better if katiyal's role was a bit more defined...😕 or may be they introduced him so that he can be utilized in some other epi as well...😕 would love to see ETF n katiyal face-off once more...😳

Dark Tone: Of all the episodes we have seen so far, this one has the darkest characters, whose actions are rooted in the most debased motives: greed, unhealthy obsession, and depravity and disloyalty triggering a blind, murderous hatred. It seems more like a bitter tale by Guy de Maupassant or Somerset Maugham than a TV plot. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth at the end, but nonetheless it is plumbs the depths of human behaviour with rare maturity.

For this very reason, it also has one of the most credible motives for murder that one could find- the bitter hatred of a woman humiliated beyond bearing.

Here is a middle aged mother of a grown up daughter, who falls for a much younger man, has a hopeless affair with him, and is obsessed with him to the point of handing over the management of her whole fortune to him. He however is merely using her for his own ends, and disregards her once he has found his feet in his stockbroking business. He returns only when the daughter tempts him, as a way of permanently acquiring control of the wealth she will inherit, and he banks on the conviction that the mother will be too ashamed of herself to tell her daughter the truth and stop the wedding. Where he fails is in gauging the depth of the violence he triggers in a woman scorned and degraded, and he gets what can only be called a well-deserved, if somewhat excessive comeuppance.

this is the thing that i loved about this episode...👏 the mature subject...i did guess it that it might turn out to be something like this half-way through (may be that's the reason for my disappointment😆) greed for money n longing for love...the two things that can drive people crazy 🤓

It thus seems totally off the mark for Arjun to lecture the mother, at the end, on what true love should be i.e. setting the loved one free to follow his or her chosen path. Arjun forgets that what Kalpesh was proposing to do - to try and marry the daughter after having had an affair with her mother, and both solely for his own selfish ends - is something debased beyond belief, and bound to eventually ruin the daughter's life as well.

Arjun's reaction seems rooted in his moral outrage at the mother's immoral behaviour, plus what seems to be her shocking readiness to make her daughter a scapegoat for the crime she has committed. Rathod echoes the latter, but neither of them has anything to say about Kalpesh's ultra-sleazy actions. Male chauvinism in action, would you say?

same pinch dear...🤢 even i was disgusted...why didn't anyone blame kalpesh for anything...he was equally responsible...n arjun's lecture was so out of place...😳 he was right that in love space should be given but this story was different from love...this was just a lonely woman longing for love n a greedy man who used both mother n daughter to get what he wanted...


A fallible Arjun : The fight in the bar stood out, not for the swift efficiency we have come to expect from our super cop, but for the opposite. By making Arjun first fallible, and then unconvincingly defensive, it made him seem more human and thus more believable.

agreed...👍🏼

The sequence was over long and contrived, like a 1980s Amitabh Bachchan action scene. Why break so many beer bottles over assorted heads, and why have so many martial arts style kicks in slow mo, when Munna could have been knocked out and safely handcuffed in the first 2 minutes? In fact, this is the first ever display of downright incompetence by Arjun; he and Chhotu make a hash of the whole and let Munna escape while they are busy with the aforesaid beer bottles, and then chase him fruitlessly.

They might have saved their breath, for the iron clad TV serial rule for such scenes is that (1) the target should run right in the middle of the road till (2) he is hit by a truck that does not brake at all when he is sighted, and that (3) is he is a key witness, he should kick the bucket at once, even if there is only a minor head injury and very little blood. No wonder Rathod blows his top, and Arjun's self-exculpatory comments ring very hollow.

the loop-holes dear...😆😆 not every epi gives us a whole cake 😉 sometimes we just have to bear such things...😳

Difference in working styles: More than any other episode so far, this one highlights the contrasting working styles of Rathod - standard but very thorough police procedure, based on conventional deductions from the evidence (whence his conclusion, from the footmarks, that there was more than one murderer) - and of Arjun - out of the box analysis, coupled at times with intuitive flashes that light his path to the correct conclusion. Arjun's spotting the crucial CCTV camera located opposite Kalpesh's building is a stroke of pure detective genius, as is his even more remarkable identification of the ambulance siren in the background of Pammi's voice mail to Kalpesh.

these two contrasting figures make the show even more interesting...😃

Ironically, both their methods fail when the two conclude that it was the murderer(s) who were hunting for a crucial document after killing Kalpesh, whereas the truth is that the murder and the search were not connected at all. The difference between them is that eventually, Arjun corrects his mistaken conclusion; Rathod is unable to do so.

@bold...agree dear..😳 arjun has the ability to see where he is wrong where as rathore blames it all on others...😳


As for Riya, for all her thoroughness in collating data, she lacks the necessary suspicious mind when it comes to Pammi's hotel-based 'alibi', and she takes the statements of the hotel staff for granted too easily. She will have to learn to be less trusting, just as much as she will have to learn to shoot unhesitatingly and straight.

She ia learner n a beginner dear...that's all i can say...she is arjun's new student...she will learn will make us n arjun proud one day..😃 (im still proud of her)😉😆

Fascinating cameo: While not measuring up to the sadistic malevolence of the remorseless, totally unemotional killer in the stolen Ganesha case (that Baiju was a tour de force of cold-bloodedness, indeed of a kind of horrifying delight in killing), the unapologetically sleazy Varun Katiyal is an excellent cameo. He is a showoff and a twister of the worst kind, and he is experienced enough and sharp enough to outwit the ETF this time around, and this only makes the show more realistic. Let us see what happens in the future. I shall be rooting for something nasty to happen to him.

even i want to see more of this katiyal...he sure is one corrupt lawyer...😆

Riya,Rathod & Arjun: Finally, I cannot really endorse the speculations, based on the exchange of remarks at the end between Riya and Rathod, that the latter is developing a soft corner for Riya. The various instances of 'love' in this case, that are referred to by Riya, are, as discussed above, of a distorted and debased sort. Riya naturally feels disillusioned by them, and says so. To my mind, all that Rathod means by his response 'log complicated ho gaye hain' is that the degradation that shocks her is in these people, not in the sentiment of love.

the forum was flooded with such speculations coz most people here want to see something like love here...😆 we hopeless people...🤣

may be rathore was just saying thsi in a casual way but we don't know what future holds for her...till then everyone ...KEEP DREAMING N SPECULATING...😉😆

He is a simple and straightforward man, with a direct approach to people and things, and while he is invariably kind and supportive of his young team members, including Riya, there is nothing to suggest that he feels any differently towards her than towards the rest.

hmmm...like i said everyone saw it the way they wanted the story to progress but in the end it's the writers who will decide the fate of these characters...😳

As for Arjun, his plunging between them in a surprisingly abrupt and unmannerly fashion, even by his standards, seems to be most likely a continuation of the acute disgust that he feels (and voices) about Pammi, and the extra irritability that follows from that. This would explain the indulgent, half-smiling amusement with which Riya looks after him, and the exasperated, long-suffering look on Rathod's face. I do not feel that there is any question, at this stage, of Arjun feeling anything romantic about Riya, not to speak of anything as strong as jealous possessiveness. His total emotional absorption with Roshni, brought out so clearly in the furious showdown with Pathan, would be enough to rule out any such interpretations.

😆 when arjun stepped between them n walked away i was like HOW RUDE...😆 he could have taken a side route...😆 yes he still loves roshni n feels nothing of love sort for riya (but we evil minds can interpret any scene with our wild imaginationsn take it as OMG he loves her/feels for her/cares for her...😆🤣)

All in all, I felt that this was a complex and curiously satisfying epi

sode. Would you agree with me?

Shyamala B.Cowsik

it was good but not that satisfying...i expected a bit more from the epi...but still im not complaining..😳

loved ur post dear...keep'em coming...😃

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Posted: 13 years ago
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My dear Mushi,

Thanks a lot for such detailed and telling comments. I have coloured the ones I liked particularly in blue. You know, when you say "
greed for money n longing for love...the two things that can drive people crazy 🤓", I felt that you are sometimes mature far beyond your years, for this comment is a very perceptive one.

And I am also pleased that you are on the same page as I am re: the male chauvinism part. And both Arjun and Rathod, like Tweedledum and Tweedledee!

Thanks also for wanting more of my stuff; I know that it is not for everyone and is an acquired taste, so I appreciate your liking it all the more!

Shyamala B.Cowsik


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Mushi,

Thanks a lot for such detailed and telling comments. I have coloured the ones I liked particularly in blue. You know, when you say "
greed for money n longing for love...the two things that can drive people crazy 🤓", I felt that you are sometimes mature far beyond your years, for this comment is a very perceptive one.

And I am also pleased that you are on the same page as I am re: the male chauvinism part. And both Arjun and Rathod, like Tweedledum and Tweedledee!

Thanks also for wanting more of my stuff; I know that it is not for everyone and is an acquired taste, so I appreciate your liking it all the more!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

hmm...thank u so much shyamala aunty...😳 i know sometimes i am far mature than i ever think myself to be...that's coz i have seen some great happening in my personal life which people don't experience at such a young age...😕😳 oh yes i love ur posts...😃

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