Please-no BLF with JJKN - Page 3

I agree with you completely Minnie.It doesn't make sense to compare BLF and JJKN especially knowing they weren't true to the track.

And I don't remember comparing JJKN to BLF either.The only thing that was said was that Jassi would end up with Armaan because the original story said so.There certainly no scene by scene comparison and before today I didn't even know the name of the actors.I have never come across them here before.

Originally posted by: Minnie

Ananya,get your facts straight.In those months I never ever criticised,not once,on the basis of Blf and all the criticism were logical and not because they were showing something different from BLF.BLF came only when the issue of the copyrights came.I never criticised JJKN for it's being there and I enjoyed it then as a show just as much as I do now and did not follow it just to make it a subject of criticism.If I don't like a character doesn't mean I'll go all out in being acidic against the makers along with anything and everything that stands in the serial.I definitely wanted Armaan and Jassi to be together and did not support Purab but I didn't make it a point to tear JJKN apart scene by scene to vent my frustration for turning Armaan into what he is today.

I agree with minnie.What double standards are you talking about.No one ever said anything about criticising Armaan.But comparison doesn't make much sense.And i don't remember comparing Blf and JJKN during Purab.The only thing said was to inform us when the copy rights issue came up that Jassi has to end up with Armaan.It's only now the comparisons are taking place so this request was hardly valid before.
And minnie has a valid point here and it's hardly targetted to any particular section,and certainely not the P fans.So why is every issue blown out of proportion and made out to be an Armaan Purab issue?? There were bloopers during Purab's time too so if you enjoyed the show without any problem then why the suddeen cattyness???
And even then as Armaan fans we defended Armaan and criticised Purab and we defended the show as well even when Armaan's character was inexplicably being shredded to no extent.But we didn't go on an all out attack on anything and everything.That's what is weird.We liked the show then and we like it better now.You are most welcome to criticise Armaan but please don't go all out in personal attacks to vent your frustrations.

Firstly, With Purab araound, there was nothing to compare as the story was not going as the original. But comparisions to original were still made.There were complaints that the original story was good and how pathetic was the story was now due to Purab's presence.


Secondly, Purab's character was criticised by many for both his acting and the scenes which brought him and Jassi closer were not according to thier liking. Him kissng Jassi's hands were a big deal but not Armaan hugging Jassi.

Lastly, it might sound rude but comparisions are inevitable, especially now that the story is going as per the original.

Jammy.

Yes, but those comparisons were few and far between and not this everyday scene by scene taking apart.If a scene is criticised on it's own merit then it's justified.But if a scene is criticised based on another scene in another serial enacted by another actor in another environment helps little in evaluating in the scenes own merit.Plus it spoils the suspense of the next step.It's like someone rattling of the story of a movie while you are watching.There were plenty of dramatisations of widely read stories but they still are made and remade and almost everyone knows what's going to happen next but if we sit down and compare each and everything page by page then the whole effort is futile.

Devdas was a remake of an old movie and is a very famous story by a very renowned writer.I have watched all the movies and read the book in original.Beleive me,none of the 3 movies can even touch what Sharat Chandra has written and if anybody came really close in depicting the characters,then it was Dilip Kumar as Devdas,Suchitra as Paro and Madhuri as Chandramukhi.Personally the latest Devdas was an awful movie but not everyone shares my view.I can go on and on about what's lacking in it but that won't change the fact that it has it's own charm and there are many who watched the movie for it's own sake or maybe Shahrukh's sake or maybe Ash or whatever and they liked it.They don't have any interest in what SharadChandra wrote or how Suchitra looked as Paro.Comparisons may be made but it hardly can justify a criticism on it's own merit.

Originally posted by: jammy

Firstly, With Purab araound, there was nothing to compare as the story was not going as the original. But comparisions to original were still made.There were complaints that the original story was good and how pathetic was the story was now due to Purab's presence.

well said Jammy......I may never have seen or even read BLF but I agree that comparison of the two is predestined......

Minnie and Kline, I agree that it is presumptuous to compare it scene by scene as JJKN has been modified to suit Indian viewers…….if I remember correctly all the JJKN cast when asked about watching their counterparts replied that they wanted to bring their own interpretation to the show rather than copy someone else....... so if they are not acting LIKE their counter parts it, there is no purpose of comparing them......however, T&D ARE following the story of BLF (if they werent, they would have changed the ending because there is no other validation of stretching Purab's presence in the show and then dropping him out all of a sudden).....

the way I see it, it is the story and its flow that we criticize…..T&D could have decided to divert from the origional or follow it to the T, it was their prerogative....they were criticised when they decided to hop from one to he other, thereby killing a beautiful story........regardless of who Jassi ends up with, the loopholes and turn of events are too far-fetched to ignore…..

it happens in other serials too I agree, but they have not set themselves up for a fall like T&D……adaptation is not an easy job…..while u r getting a ready made story, that only has to be tweaked to suit the viewers, the creators have a standards already set to be judged against……people do not watch adaptation with Amnesia………

I agree,the mistake was made.They probably might have been falsely led to beleive that they would be allowed to change the story and that is why they went so far with Purab but ultimately they failed.Even I found reasons of Purab's exit weird beyond words.I also agree that Armaan's change of heart was very poorly documented.

I fully agree they could have made things better.We can't forgive them for bringing in purab and you can't forgive for taking him away.They made a mess and no one is countering the fact.But my point is,what is done is done.I too am waching the episodes and following the updates.Right now I doubt even the original makers could have done any better after such a fiasco.They are taking the story forward well,Armaan and Jassi's time at Raj's place was beautifully picturised and since then Armaan's demons have come plaguing him which again have very good emotional qoutient.The acting is superb,the dialogues are beautiful,and there is a lot more going on beyond Jassi and Armaan.That's why I'm saying it's no use comparing the two because once Purab came in,the original story was ruined for ever.So now JJKN has to go it's own path and any comparison to it's original is just futile.We all agree that the original beautiful story has already been ruined beyond repair.So let's just enjoy the rest solely on it's present context.

Minnie and Jammy, thanks for the on-going discussion.

I agree with Minnie and personally, I would accept any show or movie that is Indianized and presented in Hindi. I think milder, decent version makes us remember our values and limits.

However, only very strong, solid stories get made over again and again, and each maker presents it with his/her peculiarities. e.g. Chori Chori (Raj Kapoor-Nargis), sorry forgot the name of the original English version, but that was made in US late 30's, and has been made twice in Hindi-both successful. However, in such cases, comparison is inevitable. You cann't help but compare one from the other, especially, if you have seen all the versions. For the same reason, all versions of Devdas were compared, too.

I gurantee if I watched BLF today, it would not come upto my image of JJKN, even if I criticize it, I still watch and like JJKN. All of us invest enough time after it, don't you think we have right to criticize to some extent?

I dont think so any comparision was made scene by scene.

The comparision was made of that one scene that happened in raj or mario's house. Unfortunately that 7 minute scene of original was streched in 2 episodes in JJKN. Also BLF's mention there is a well justified. It wont be wrong to say that the screenplay for that scene was copied, most of the screenplay of the scene was taken from original, like armaan and jassi visiting raj's house alone, jassi lying to her father and jassi's first boyfriend ditching her for a bet as a matter of fact armaan wisking jassi from right under the nose of mallika is also a ditto copy of the screenplay. To convert that screenplay into atleast somewhat good adaption depends on the director and that disappointed me. Ofcourse sometimes the adaptation turns out better than the original and it has been proven before in many movies english as well as hindi, and also many serials. I only mentioned that the original the scene was very nicely shot to point out that there was room for improvement.

As for some people feeling that post purab directors are handling the story well. Again i disagree on that, bumping of a few characters & purely ignoring the part of story which was your main point of focus since last six months without any explanation is not anywhere close to be called handling well. Purab, Hansmukhi, Meenakshi, 3T, Rohan, No one has any idea what happened to them. no one has any idea what happened with nandu's directorship with 3T. how a person who is the owner of companies valued 400 Cr is suddenly untracable?? What happened to meenakhsi's contract it was supposed to be the savouir for Gulmohar? and many more questions hanging.

Again in a well handled story each and everything is given equal importance. the life of maria and veeru, the life of bindyaa and her bitter divorce, the life of maitheli, the life of ruby & even the buisness and company's contract never lost focus in the original story and thats why it was a more wholesome entertainment. Agreed purab was given alot footage since last 6 months and that was again directors mistake. Purab was a likeable character , but who made him likeable? them!! if they were not sure of what they wanna to do with him in the end then why give him so much airtime and then ruin a story? now they have seen thier mistake and they are trying to rectify it, well they are not doing it nicely they can do a better job to make the story more beliveable and that is the reason why they are facing the criticism. Characters can enter without explanation in a well handled story thats an element of suprise but well settled characters cannot just leave a story without any followup or cannot be simply ignored.

JJKN as a story is nothing compared to the Original, But even if we ignore the orginal, it still has many gapping holes to be ignored and enjoyed as a wholesome entertainment.

Jammy.