Kab tak Chup Rahoongi - Supporting Bani! - Page 4

Originally posted by: mistletoe

I know that I am in strict minority, but still since this is a reasonably democratic forum, I would like to view my opinon on what I think is happening in KS!

Somehow, inspite of the obvious pain that Jai Walia is undergoing, my heart still goes out for Bani!

Just because Jai is mopping his tears in private and tearing apart his heart for the child he supposedly cannot have, doesn't automatically make him the aggreived party and Bani the villain!

As they say, that whatever goes, comes around one day and we all have to pay up for our sins in this life, just as we reap the benefits for our kindness in this life itself.

Bani is totally justified in suspecting Jai of tricking her once more, why not? If Jai can fake his death to get her back, why can't he send her a White Sari to scare her about his life and hence gain sympathy in her heart? And remember, Bani suspects only afterwards, her first reaction is of worry and concern for Jai, which she expressed through her tears! But as they say, once bitten is twice shy, she calls up the Courier Company and on finding that the Courier originated from the Walia House, her natural suspect is obviously Jai, the man who would gain the most by doing something like this! Alright, Bani might be wrong on one front, does she really think that Jai is juvenile and foolish enough to try something like this so that the first suspicion falls on him?😆

Coming back to serious matters, Bani was more than correct in leaving Jai. Who can overlook the death of a Parent? More so, if that truth was concealed from you for such a long time. Bani has not been moralistic about this issue, she readily forgave Jai when Ranvijay lied to her that Jai had killed his wife by mistake, but for obvious reasons, she could not overlook the fact that it was her Mother whom her husband had got killed, even if by accident! Bani was completely human in her reactions, her forgiving Jai for killing Ranvijay's wife showed that she cared for the man whom she loved more than a strange woman whom he had accidentally killed, but her not forgiving Jai for killing his Mother, showed that she obviously loved her Mother much more than she ever loved Jai! A Parent is above every relation on this Earth, even before the Almighty God, then how could Bani place Jai's feelings above the one she has for her Mother?

Also, as Bani repeatedly tells herself that she hates herself more than she hates Jai, because inspite of everything that happened, her heart still yearns for him and that she still loves him.......The fact that Bani still cares and loves Jai shows that somewhere in her heart, she does not hold him responsible for what happened, but at the same time loathes herself that she not only married but fell in love with a man who had in part wiped off her family and brought about its destruction! Its not a question of how logical Bani's thinking is, for emotions and love do not work on the principal of logic, but more on the dictates of the Heart. Bani not forgiving Jai shows that she has cared a lot for him, but at the same time, cared much more for her Mother and her Family, which only endears Bani more than ever before!😊

Bani has never seeked any revenge on Jai till date, but Jai made Bani pay moment by moment for what her sister had done to him! How is that justified? Jai couldn't handle a broken heart, but he expects Bani to handle a broken life and come back running to him? Jai couldn't forgive Pia and Pushkar for a "Mistake" they committed, but he expects Bani to forgive him for a "Crime" he committed? Jai nursed his broken heart by drowning himself in alchohol and emotionally battering his helpless wife, but he simply cannot take the fact that his wife is keeping him away from his Child? As Bani tells Jai today, that she empathizes with his suffering and pain for his child, but then this is the same suffering and pain that her Mother had felt for Bani!

Why should Bani act benevolent and all-forgiving to Jai, when all she has done till now is close her eyes towards his numerous faults and failings, forgive him without thinking twice, accepting him for what he was, surrendering to him without him asking her to, being a wife, being a friend, being a lover, being a Mother, being there for him all the time, day in and day out. And for what? Only to be informed by him that he had once accidentally killed her Mother a few years back and could not gather the guts to tell her the truth, but now expects to be forgiven by her?

Jai always chooses the easy route......He chose Pia, because he knew that she could be seduced by his wealth, he then chose Bani, because he knew that was the only way to save his honor, he chose to take his revenge through his wife, because she was the easiest available and most vulnerable target, he chose to throw her out of his house, because that was the only way to face his own insecurities, he chose to get her in his house, because he wanted to save his face in front of Massi, he chose to fend fences with her, because he realized what a small person he is infront of her large-heartedness, he chose to consummate his marriage with Bani, because that was the only way he see to pacify her emotional state, he chose to call his night-out with her as a mistake, because he didn't have the courage to commit himself again, he chose to emotionally blackmail her by not prying into her past, because he was so ashamed to face it like a man, he chose to stop her from going out of his life, because he realized a tad too late what he was about to lose, he chose to get Bani back in his life with desperation, because now she is carrying his child, which he wants at all cost!

Jai is selfish. Period. Jai Walia might be the most enigmatic, attractive and spellbinding character to be seen on Television in ages, but he is also one of the rare breed of "Heros" or "Protogonists" who is completely self-occupied and sees only his happiness, either by choice or by desperation!

Bani on the other hand has been unbelivingly and inhumanly supreme. She not only accepted Jai with all her heart, when he had thrown her ruthlessly out of his room on his Wedding night, but chose to put her happiness, her individuality, her relations, her self-respect, her past, her present and even her future for a man, who never really cared for her, leave aside ever loving her!

If Bani is unrelenting and unforgiving towards Jai today, she is only being human and for a change not a doormat, who will let anyone walk over her and wipe his foot with! Jai deserves this treatment from Bani totally, because unlike him, she is not shallow or petty enough to take revenge, but is just keeping herself and her child away from the Man, who in some measure did take a part of her life with him, even if by accident.

Ok, now let the brickbats come.......😆

Cheers,

MT

PS: I am off to watch Faana on my DVD, so Adios for today, I will check the Forum tomorrow to see the number of Gaali's I have garnered for this post!😆

Who can put aside the truth that her husband has been responsible for the death of her mother, given unlimited time to absorb the truth, and not even the 1-2 weeks that Bani has had since? And then go on to live with the 'accidental' killer too? Accident or not, JW is responsible for Kiran's death.

We can blame Bani for her double standards....but wouldnt anyone else take the same stance if pushed into a similar situation? However hyprocritic it may sound, it is very true that 'apna apna hota hai, aur paraya, paraya.' Bani could sympathize with Ranvijay, but empathy cannot be felt for just anyone!

Its only human.

She only realized the gravity of the situation, of Jai being responsible for the destruction of a home, only when she found out that it was her mother who was killed, and it was herself, and her sisters who were orphaned (and not Ranvijya widowed, or Rohit/Rashi orphaned).

And that is human nature. Is it the same when you find out that an acquaintance is suffering from a fatal ailment versus you finding out that it is your mother/father/yourself who is the patient? No its not.

And the situation Bani is dealing with is not just a life-threatening disease, itsdeeper.

Why should we expect Bani to remain true to her character and remain calm and resilient even to the greatest irony, and harshest truth of the life? Why?

Dont we love JW because he is too close to life? Too human, and too complex...like most people are? Then why not measure Bani's actions by the same standards?

Why shouldnt have Bani left Jai? How can she raise her child in the company of the man who has killed her mother? Why are we expecting her look condone the enormity of the situation for the child?

Many are arguing that she shouldnt let her child go through the childhood that she has experienced-that of an orphan....but would the child be happy to see his mother with his father, but not happy?

I wouldnt say yes.

Now coming to Bani hating Jai. This is a temporary phase. I dont think Bani hates Jai, she is only leading herself to believe so. Rather, she is disgusted by Jai and by herself. We have to give her time....and if she still iisnt willing to forgive Jai, then I believe she isnt wrong. (Im not saying shes right either. If something is not black, that doesnt make it white.)

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As for Jai being called selfish, MT ,I dont think I agree. Jai is worried about his child, and rightly so. A parents concern for his child should not be termed selfish.

Again, its human.

I've said it earlier too. Had Bani not been pregnant, then Jai wouldnt have stopped her and made any effort to bring her back. The reason would have been his enormous guilt.

But now he is, and the reason is his concern for his child overpowering his guilt for 'accidentally' wronging the Dixits.

Its not, selfish or not. Its one feeling taking precedence over another. He is rational enough to realize that past is past, and but the future can be straigthened, and in the future he sees his child.

If he had a chance, he would mend the past. Now he has a chance to mend the future, and he is using it.

My two cents...

Luv, Jojo

Hey MT,
totally agree with alot you said. Bani's response and coldness to jai is completly justified. As a women she has a complete right to feel hurt and lost as she herself has fallen dangeroulsy too deep into a pit of darkness that now turning back is to hard and imposible. Meaning that bani has fallen so deeply in love with jai that turning around and forgetting it and trampling on her heart is not an option yet neather is seeing him everyday. As how can she look at her self leave aside look at him in the eye, knowing that he killed her mother yet also knowing that he is her lover. How can she even live with him knowing such bitter truth..which i assume kills the poor girl everday.

I feel for this girl...she is at an agonizing cruel stage in life where tough decisions are necessary in order for her to live and be able to survive. If i was bani, i probably would have broken down and become a vegetable...completly lost and not knowing what to do. Bani is an exctremly strong character and i admire her for her courage!!

All that you mentioned was true to some point and all well written.

luv sweetu

p.s. Fanna is an awesome movie...i don't think alot of people agree with me when i say it but i truly cried in that movie....that movie was wow.

Originally posted by: mistletoe

Just because Jai is mopping his tears in private and tearing apart his heart for the child he supposedly cannot have, doesn't automatically make him the aggreived party and Bani the villain!

Jai's tears and hurt are as normal as any other father who longed to have a child in his entire life and a family of his own.So when such a feeling is completely or to say deliberately deprived frm him (for his past mistake)all he can do is to cry for himself.Im not telling Bani as villan either.

As they say, that whatever goes, comes around one day and we all have to pay up for our sins in this life, just as we reap the benefits for our kindness in this life itself.

Ya agree,but dint he feel guilty and ashamed of his past taking over him and that suppressing his fears and punishing himself(i mean he lived for others than for himself)and been living under the curse of ND for all these years and now after developing a feeling for Bani his fear and guilt had grown only more.

Bani is totally justified in suspecting Jai of tricking her once more, why not? If Jai can fake his death to get her back, why can't he send her a White Sari to scare her about his life and hence gain sympathy in her heart? And remember, Bani suspects only afterwards, her first reaction is of worry and concern for Jai, which she expressed through her tears! But as they say, once bitten is twice shy, she calls up the Courier Company and on finding that the Courier originated from the Walia House, her natural suspect is obviously Jai, the man who would gain the most by doing something like this! Alright, Bani might be wrong on one front, does she really think that Jai is juvenile and foolish enough to try something like this so that the first suspicion falls on him?😆

Her first reaction was the result of her profound love for Jai.He is a man who can put his life on stakes or even fake his death to protect his family and his loved ones.He did that as he was left with no other choice in that chaos situation of the city.But im wondering can Bani think that he can go so low by sending her white saree,he wudnt do that disgusting stuff to make her wife undergo pain.

Coming back to serious matters, Bani was more than correct in leaving Jai. Who can overlook the death of a Parent? More so, if that truth was concealed from you for such a long time. Bani has not been moralistic about this issue, she readily forgave Jai when Ranvijay lied to her that Jai had killed his wife by mistake, but for obvious reasons, she could not overlook the fact that it was her Mother whom her husband had got killed, even if by accident! Bani was completely human in her reactions, her forgiving Jai for killing Ranvijay's wife showed that she cared for the man whom she loved more than a strange woman whom he had accidentally killed, but her not forgiving Jai for killing his Mother, showed that she obviously loved her Mother much more than she ever loved Jai! A Parent is above every relation on this Earth, even before the Almighty God, then how could Bani place Jai's feelings above the one she has for her Mother?

I agree on that note

Also, as Bani repeatedly tells herself that she hates herself more than she hates Jai, because inspite of everything that happened, her heart still yearns for him and that she still loves him.......The fact that Bani still cares and loves Jai shows that somewhere in her heart, she does not hold him responsible for what happened, but at the same time loathes herself that she not only married but fell in love with a man who had in part wiped off her family and brought about its destruction! Its not a question of how logical Bani's thinking is, for emotions and love do not work on the principal of logic, but more on the dictates of the Heart. Bani not forgiving Jai shows that she has cared a lot for him, but at the same time, cared much more for her Mother and her Family, which only endears Bani more than ever before!😊

All i can say is she is fighting between love and hate.The man who she suppose to hate is the man she she love hopelessly,she cant continue to fight with her feelings like this.But since she is a person who cannot hate anybody personally she is just moving away from the pain than facing it everyday.

Bani has never seeked any revenge on Jai till date, but Jai made Bani pay moment by moment for what her sister had done to him! How is that justified?Yes Bani dint take revenge on Jai till date.He made her pay for Pia coz he was hurt and been ditched by sm1 he (supposedly) loved and Bani was treated badly as she was seen only as Pia's sis,but still he did not hate Bani but on the same time she reminded his pain,also it was she who chose to be with him. Jai couldn't handle a broken heart, but he expects Bani to handle a broken life and come back running to him?This is coz Jai for the first time in his life has really, truely and deeply is in love,so he's feeling his heartbreak,but all he wants Bani is to understand that he killed her mom in an accident and he truely regret for that Jai couldn't forgive Pia and Pushkar for a "Mistake" they committed, but he expects Bani to forgive him for a "Crime" he committed?Mistake and Crime are two different aspects and the situation being compared are riduculous. PP humiliated the status,the prestige and moreover the ego of the Jai Walia, whereas in the latter he is regretting, scared, ashamed for the so called crime which happened accidentally.He want Bani back but with all her willingness,the love and only after forgiving him. Jai nursed his broken heart by drowning himself in alchohol and emotionally battering his helpless wife, but he simply cannot take the fact that his wife is keeping him away from his Child?A man like Jai Walia who has lived like a king all powerful and strong when he was faced with such a humiliation b4 the public and press, he tries to heal himself(im not telling this is the onlyway)and as i said Bani remind him the hurt of Pia and he shows his raw and rough emotins toward her.Also he never taunted her unless he had been reminded by the unfavour situations like the money thing.Otherwise he dint carry any hate for her. As Bani tells Jai today, that she empathizes with his suffering and pain for his child, but then this is the same suffering and pain that her Mother had felt for Bani!So if Bani suffered from her mothers love who died,can it be justified to deprive the child frm its fathers love,protection and security who is alive.So wat is Bani trying to prove him?Is she doing this to make Jai wat she went thru?Nobdy can compensate the role of the other.

Why should Bani act benevolent and all-forgiving to Jai, when all she has done till now is close her eyes towards his numerous faults and failings, forgive him without thinking twice, accepting him for what he was, surrendering to him without him asking her to, being a wife, being a friend, being a lover, being a Mother, being there for him all the time, day in and day out. And for what? Only to be informed by him that he had once accidentally killed her Mother a few years back and could not gather the guts to tell her the truth, but now expects to be forgiven by her?Accepting him as he was, was Bani's choice, she went thru all his pain as to repent for her sis but then finally fell in love with him.It is not that he dint have guts,he was more scared to loose the person who has been everything for him.He even tried to tell her the truth,warning that they will not see eachother again.Some may say he emotionally blackmailed her but that is what happend at the end.

Jai always chooses the easy route......He chose Pia, because he knew that she could be seduced by his wealth, he then chose Bani, because he knew that was the only way to save his honor, he chose to take his revenge through his wife, because she was the easiest available and most vulnerable target, he chose to throw her out of his house, because that was the only way to face his own insecurities, he chose to get her in his house, because he wanted to save his face in front of Massi, he chose to fend fences with her, because he realized what a small person he is infront of her large-heartedness, he chose to consummate his marriage with Bani, because that was the only way he see to pacify her emotional state, he chose to call his night-out with her as a mistake, because he didn't have the courage to commit himself again, he chose to emotionally blackmail her by not prying into her past, because he was so ashamed to face it like a man, he chose to stop her from going out of his life, because he realized a tad too late what he was about to lose, he chose to get Bani back in his life with desperation, because now she is carrying his child, which he wants at all cost!He chose Pia but Bani was not his choice.Calling that night a mistake on his p.o.v is that he latter realized tht he took advantage of her but she on the other hand has completely accepted it.The thing is that he actually dint turn out to ask what she felt for that night.Myself agree he acted a real duffer.But as shown in one of the episode he wnat Bani back and mentiond that the child is only the means of reuniting them.

Jai is selfish. Period. Jai Walia might be the most enigmatic, attractive and spellbinding character to be seen on Television in ages, but he is also one of the rare breed of "Heros" or "Protogonists" who is completely self-occupied and sees only his happiness, either by choice or by desperation!

Bani on the other hand has been unbelivingly and inhumanly supreme. She not only accepted Jai with all her heart, when he had thrown her ruthlessly out of his room on his Wedding night, but chose to put her happiness, her individuality, her relations, her self-respect, her past, her present and even her future for a man, who never really cared for her, leave aside ever loving her!

If Bani is unrelenting and unforgiving towards Jai today, she is only being human and for a change not a doormat, who will let anyone walk over her and wipe his foot with! Jai deserves this treatment from Bani totally, because unlike him, she is not shallow or petty enough to take revenge, but is just keeping herself and her child away from the Man, who in some measure did take a part of her life with him, even if by accident.

Ok, now let the brickbats come.......😆

Cheers,

MT

PS: I am off to watch Faana on my DVD, so Adios for today, I will check the Forum tomorrow to see the number of Gaali's I have garnered for this post!😆

I feel sleepy to think any further fillup latter.Enjoy the film😊

A Random Thought....

Didnt know where to post, didnt want to open a new thread, and since this thread is more or less about supporting Bani, I'll post it here....

Amidst all this, we have also been questioning/bashing Bani for her past actions....that she didnt have to take what JW offered her...I just want to mention my opinion on her taking Pia's place on her wedding day...

'As far as I am concerned, I have always understood (not necessarily supported) Bani's stance in various situations....The only time I could not comprehend Bani's actions was during the Anu's pregnancy. I still cannot understand why on earth did she hid it from Jai when he questioned her openly....I wont buy the reason she had to offer: that it would be shameful to talk to Jai about Anu's pregnancy? But he would have found out any day, either way! I could not and still cannot understand why she was ready for a divorce....just to hide something that was bound to be disclosed anway!

Ok, leaving that, lets go to her marriage with Jai. I can understand why she did that but that doesnt mean I support her and think that sacrificing her future to save another's honor was a sound decision. But I dont think it was totally absurd or unjustifiable or impossible.

Its not about being an educated woman of today...Its about the emotional burden that weighed her down and numbed her mind in that situation...She was her sister's mother, and she held herself responsible...Pia's betrayal left her numb...and Jigyasa didnt leave any opportunity to weigh her down further with guilt in those few minutes before the bride was called down....Jigyasa compelled her verbally...There are at least a few women who cannot think rationally in times of crises....She didnt have Rano to stop her, and she didnt have anyone else either...The biggest thing of all..it was Jai Walia who her sister was to marry...not any ordinary guy....and Jigyasa used that very reason to coerce her! She was crushed with the burden of her benefactor's respect in society...and the situation was so tricky that she surrendered to Jigyasa's reasoning.'

Jojo

Hey MT..... gr8 write up...... by any chance r u a freelance writer for any newspaper ........

u have ur views, ur opinion, ur words to put them in ur format..... gr8 style of writing......

one more thing u know to change a readers mind with ur writing👏

omg MT i also want to watch Fanaa, but back to ks yes i was always on bani's side from the day she met jai walia till know. jai's punishment was so big compared to bani's and she is still not punishing him, she just left his house. 😡 😛

First of all, Fanaa is a great movie...well at the end they kind of messed it up...but either than that, it was a great romantic movie after a long time...
Jai and Bani...I understand what u mean about Bani...but yaar, for how long will she keeep doing this to Jai...I mean when will she understand that IT WAS AN ACCIDENT! It's not like he did it on purpose...and when will she forgive him and come back to the Walia mansion...I was dying here because of Cuddles pain...I can't see him suffer no more 😭 I know Bani has the right to be angry, but there are some things that she says which are wrong...the only thing Jai did wrong was that he did not reveal the secret to Bani when they came here, probably there was a reason for that...but sometimes, like the other day, when Bani asked Jai will he be able to return the people in the house, come on yaar, who can bring back the dead people 😕 and her mother dying accidently under his car it's not his fault...his fault was only the fact that he did not tell Bani about this before...so he should be punished for that not for anything else...and today, she was telling him about how this is the same way their mother cared for them and leaves...why say these kind of things to him 😕 it's not like he murdered her mother...I don't know, I happen to understand Bani a little less...I was sympathizing with her until the day when she told Jai if he would be able to return the people, happiness, their childhood.....after that I lost everything for Bani..because that was way...I don't know what to say...if Jai murdered on purpose, then I could've understand, but it was an accident, and like I keep saying, the only thing he did wrong was that he hid the secret from Bani....
ok I don't want to say anymore.....

MT,

I am a big time Munni fan too. I am defending her on Raaga's chargesheet. However, let me repeat what I posted a few weeks back.

My questions to Munni, particularly if she carries this too far:

? You are angry with Munna for killing your mom and concealing the fact from you. But you tried to kill Ranveer once, you concealed the attachment of Pia and Pushky even after the elopement. So are you sure that you have a right to condemn Munna to a lifetime of punishment?
? You never punished or were even angry with Pia and Pushky for what they did to Munna, so why a different standard for Munna. Is a crime against you more worth punishing than a crime against Munna?
? You are angry with Munna for depriving you sisters of their parents love. But Munnas actions were an accident. Your actions would willfully separate a child from its father. Would you be in due course willing to accept punishment for that?
? You were dying to know the raaz but you have absolutely no curiosity to know who tried to kill Munna and that there could be something more about the PR Raaz. Why?
? You are punishing Munna for causing your parents death. You are right – if Munna could punish you for Pias actions you are right in dishing it right back. But when (and we know it will happen) Munna is proved innocent, will you be able to face Munna and your own conscience?

Rgds

Priyanka

if bani has to blame anyone for keeping the secret of the accident is her father , even after knowing that jai killed his wife why did nishkanth send his 3 grown up daughters to jai house. why did he trust jai.?

here jai killed bani's mom by accident. she has every right to be angry at jai, but taking away the baby from him is wrong. now what is the differnece b/w jai and bani. jai separated bani's mom and kids by accident but bani is doing it on purpose.

and today bani accusing jai for sending the white saree how can she even think that jai can be soo stupid that he would send the sari by courier and give the pickup address of walia house.