Should Shiv have slapped the guy ?

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AnjanaYYZ

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Posted: 13 years ago

Its oft said with power comes responsibility. One of the differences between civility and anarchy is use of mind instead of might. Violence is sometimes necessary to fight violence and stop evil. Law thus sanctions the use of force when its in defense of self or other...and sometimes even when defense of property.

Within this legal framework I have no issues with Colectorsaab's combat with the people trying to harm him, Anandi, etc. at Jyothi's bal vivah. I do, however, wonder about the 2 thappars he gave the guy's dad at the end after he snatched the gun and police were on route there. Will the thappars or the mithai of the police really alter these people's thinking on the issue of bal vivah? Did Shiv's thappars really impact Anandi's honour or do anything for the children? The thappars were dramatic paisa vasool moments. Memorable. But, were they value added from a societal perspective? Did they further the fight against this inhumane practice?

Edited by AnjanaYYZ - 13 years ago

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Blukitten

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Posted: 13 years ago

What else should he do ??
Laato ke bhoot baaton se nahi mante...tht guy was about to kill Anandi...Shiv only slapped him.
He's a govt official...he has the responsibility of taking care care of public as well as displining them when required.Did u see the fear in his eyes when shiv slapped him.
Even parents have to slap their kids sometimes to discipline them so There's nothing wrong in what Shiv did.

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leo4ever

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Posted: 13 years ago

did u see the whole attittude changed of the guy holding the gun when he realised shiv is more stronger than him while holding the gun? there was fear in his eye before the siren was heard. and the thappar, i feel it is v natural he wasnt doing it coz he had the power he didi it coz he was genuinely appaled by his behaviour.

see some times force is necessary, u feel these ppl who are so high on thoier power nad authority, he loves to quash ppl( remember how he said that humary gaaon mei aurton ku himmat nhn hai zaban chalane ki) and the suggesstion to bolnath( tou yeh ha woh larki phir kamm lagao) this all showed that they are beyond understnading, sometimes when u need change either u can create by words, some times by direct force and somewhrer both.

ik dafa the village has seen their thakur been taken to police, beaten do u thnik any will dare to do bal vivah now,phele the thakur was protecting them givng thme the copurage that i am behind do it, jab uska yeh haal hua tou do u thnik that villagers will dare to do that? when police can take away the incharge of the village what will they do to us? atleast this will stop the injusticve being done.

i beleive injustice is done cox the person doing it feel he is more powerful and will not receve a backlash sometimes u need ot give it back simply coz of the fact ot state that no u will not push anyone down any more!

after a fight u r pretty pumped up it was just two slaps and it can even be taken as a rection from the owrds he said( remember bheem singh has already mentined inka ghussa bht tez hai) thnik of it as reaction of putting gun on his love 😳 if u want but for me it was am ix of both he deserved more and i would want the police to teach him a lesson in his own bhasha( voilence)

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kavmuks

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Posted: 13 years ago

As government office may be n- NO but then -- someone raising hands on "Sarkari Officer" is an offense as per law..

And those people were doing Goondgardi .. had they wanted to talk and be decent then perhaps he would have not hit .. he his as he was beaten up ...

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AnjanaYYZ

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Posted: 13 years ago

I have no issue with Shiv defending himself, stopping the marriage, or protecting the girl, Anandi, etc. I am with him. But, is it appropriate for a Public Official to slap as insult/punishment? Shiv already had the gun. The police were on route. What lesson was he trying to teach with the slap? Was that lesson really taught with the use of force? Shiv is District Collector not Judge, so does he have legal/moral authority to punish? I take issue with his exceeding his power or misusing his power... it looks great and heroic, but appropriate?

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AnjanaYYZ

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: leo4ever
did u see the whole attittude changed of the guy holding the gun when he realised shiv is more stronger than him while holding the gun? there was fear in his eye before the siren was heard. and the thappar, i feel it is v natural he wasnt doing it coz he had the power he didi it coz he was genuinely appaled by his behaviour.

see some times force is necessary, u feel these ppl who are so high on thoier power nad authority, he loves to quash ppl( remember how he said that humary gaaon mei aurton ku himmat nhn hai zaban chalane ki) and the suggesstion to bolnath( tou yeh ha woh larki phir kamm lagao) this all showed that they are beyond understnading, sometimes when u need change either u can create by words, some times by direct force and somewhrer both.

ik dafa the village has seen their thakur been taken to police, beaten do u thnik any will dare to do bal vivah now,phele the thakur was protecting them givng thme the copurage that i am behind do it, jab uska yeh haal hua tou do u thnik that villagers will dare to do that? when police can take away the incharge of the village what will they do to us? atleast this will stop the injusticve being done.

i beleive injustice is done cox the person doing it feel he is more powerful and will not receve a backlash sometimes u need ot give it back simply coz of the fact ot state that no u will not push anyone down any more!

after a fight u r pretty pumped up it was just two slaps and it can even be taken as a rection from the owrds he said( remember bheem singh has already mentined inka ghussa bht tez hai) thnik of it as reaction of putting gun on his love 😳 if u want but for me it was am ix of both he deserved more and i would want the police to teach him a lesson in his own bhasha( voilence)

- Red - Shiv pulls over to take/make a telephone call. But, here he exceeds his legal authority when he engages in violence after he has the situation under control. While dramatic, romantic, etc...is it the "proper" use of his position? I don't think so. Should it matter if the target was Anandi or not? All are supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law from an ethical standpoint... the fact that it is someone he respects or cares about should not make a difference.

- Blue - Who is Shivraj to determine what this thug deserves? Isn't that the job/task of a judge? Did the slaps really teach any lesson? Isn't punishment the purview of a judge once an individual is convicted?

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Blukitten

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Posted: 13 years ago

Lets forget he's a govt official...As a normal human what would they do ??
Tht guy was extremly high on power he probably thought he could get away with anything...he needed tht slap to bring him down to Earth.

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AnjanaYYZ

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: nniks
What else should he do ??
Laato ke bhoot baaton se nahi mante...tht guy was about to kill Anandi...Shiv only slapped him.
He's a govt official...he has the responsibility of taking care care of public as well as displining them when required.Did u see the fear in his eyes when shiv slapped him.
Even parents have to slap their kids sometimes to discipline them so There's nothing wrong in what Shiv did.

Brown - Does his authority extend to discipline aka punishment? Isn't that the task of the court of law? The police were on route.

Blue - Is Shiv a parent to the goonda? He is the Collector not a Parent. Even parents aren't allowed to hit grown children BTW.

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AnjanaYYZ

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: nniks
Lets forget he's a govt official...As a normal human what would they do ??
Tht guy was extremly high on power he probably thought he could get away with anything...he needed tht slap to bring him down to Earth.

That's the thing - I can't forget that he's a gov't official. Being a gov't official is not a 9 to 5 job. Its a 24/7 job. Its something ingrained or should be ingrained into the public service.

Even as a normal human being, he should have waited for the police, who were on route. The situation was under control at that point. When the police arrived, explained the situation, and requested the police to arrest the perpetrators.

Did the heating/beating teach a lesson? I suspect jail time might have a greater impact. Also, who is Shiv to teach lessons through violence?

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malika

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Posted: 13 years ago

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I agree with what u said...from the legal pov he was not right slapping them coz at that moment neither he was defending anyone nor himself.But I think for that 2 thappars he was not the collector of jaitser...he was just Shiv...who has secretly fallen very hard for anandi.He doesnt realize it as of now but he has.So those two slaps were out of his love for anandi and respect for the singhs.Yes as a collector he may not be justified but as a lover whose beloved was being physically harmed he can be given the benefit of doubt.

Edited by princessyashika - 13 years ago

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