My 2 cents on Creative License - Page 4

@ Mira, This part about Sati testing Ram, is not mentioned in Devi Bhagavat or Devi Puranas. Both of them has stories about different forms of Devi & other characters connected to it. In Shivpuran too it comes in between Parvati's story. Sita before going for her swayamvar had worshipped Parvati in the temple, that hows Parvati was worshipped as Goddess. So it seems cleary Sati didn't exist in that era. However I have read the same story with Parvati testing Ram & Shivji had told her she will be caught. Parvati went ahead & Ram addressed her as Mata. After that Shivji didn't over react like the one mentioned by Tulasidas. They just went ahead with their Van-bhraman.

Originally posted by: mnx12

@ Mira, This part about Sati testing Ram, is not mentioned in Devi Bhagavat or Devi Puranas. Both of them has stories about different forms of Devi & other characters connected to it. In Shivpuran too it comes in between Parvati's story. Sita before going for her swayamvar had worshipped Parvati in the temple, that hows Parvati was worshipped as Goddess. So it seems cleary Sati didn't exist in that era. However I have read the same story with Parvati testing Ram & Shivji had told her she will be caught. Parvati went ahead & Ram addressed her as Mata. After that Shivji didn't over react like the one mentioned by Tulasidas. They just went ahead with their Van-bhraman.

There was a show Ma Shakti, in that too Parvati was shown in this incident not Sati.

In Shiv puran the story is very abrupt and with out any coherency it starts abruptly and ends abruptly that clearly indicates later addition. I really don't understand the logic of tulsidas that Ram was Guru of shiva. Here are the people who have completely different philosophy and outlook , then why do you connect them in some weird point. For me it seems a way to score some brownie points for Sri Ram over Shivji.

Although its very natural for devotees to concoct stories which glorify their own deities, tampering of Shiv puran itself for is little too much. Further more a show like DKDM referring such absurd versions and introducing time travel to justify that is outright illogical and stupid.

They had taken so many liberties, even to the extent of bringing alternate groom for sati, but when it came to this part they adhered to scriptures. Similarly they redeemed Vishnu in some manner during daksha yagnya and didn't show him being knocked down.

i some how feel that CV's are some what biased in case of Vishnu

regards
Krishna

Originally posted by: kkr531

In Shiv puran the story is very abrupt and with out any coherency it starts abruptly and ends abruptly that clearly indicates later addition. I really don't understand the logic of tulsidas that Ram was Guru of shiva. Here are the people who have completely different philosophy and outlook , then why do you connect them in some weird point. For me it seems a way to score some brownie points for Sri Ram over Shivji.

Although its very natural for devotees to concoct stories which glorify their own deities, tampering of Shiv puran itself for is little too much. Further more a show like DKDM referring such absurd versions and introducing time travel to justify that is outright illogical and stupid.

They had taken so many liberties, even to the extent of bringing alternate groom for sati, but when it came to this part they adhered to scriptures. Similarly they redeemed Vishnu in some manner during daksha yagnya and didn't show him being knocked down.

i some how feel that CV's are some what biased in case of Vishnu

regards
Krishna

Originally posted by: tannipartner

Krishna, I don't know if you know the name of Shree Shree Ramakrishna. He, in one of his gospels, once said, Rama is the guru of Shiva and Shiva is the guru of Ram. It was in reference to the fight between shaiva's and vaishnavs on who is better and greater.

Both of them are the same, if u notice each respect other. Ram does durgapuja and shivpuja to gain victory over Ravan and Shiv bows down before Ram. Thats the admiration and love of one for the other. There is no harm if they show it.

As for the testing , yes i agree, i thought it was unnecessary and irrelevant.

As for Vishnu being redeemed during daksha yagna, a lot of the viewers are devotees of Ram, may be not to hurt their sensibilities? I however liked the way they kept the mutual admiration of Shiva and Vishnu for each other.

Hi there, Sri Ram Krishna discourse is very relevant and necessary to maintain harmony between followers of two groups and i am in agreement with that.

but one cannot deny the fact that Shaiva and Vaishnava philosophies are most of the time diametrically opposite. So such a stand is superficially very good but does not stand scrutiny.
if you accept Vaishanava philosophy there is no way you can accept Shiva as guru of Shri Ram
and vice versa.

i am not against vaishnavas per se but my point was, as this is story of Lord Shiv i expected them to conform to standard shaiva versions.

i am not complaining or saying that it was wrong i was just putting forward my views.

regards
Krishna

Originally posted by: kkr531

Hi there, Sri Ram Krishna discourse is very relevant and necessary to maintain harmony between followers of two groups and i am in agreement with that.

but one cannot deny the fact that Shaiva and Vaishnava philosophies are most of the time diametrically opposite. So such a stand is superficially very good but does not stand scrutiny.
if you accept Vaishanava philosophy there is no way you can accept Shiva as guru of Shri Ram
and vice versa.

i am not against vaishnavas per se but my point was, as this is story of Lord Shiv i expected them to conform to standard shaiva versions.

i am not complaining or saying that it was wrong i was just putting forward my views.

regards
Krishna

Originally posted by: tannipartner

same here,just expressing my points.. Well I come from a home where both shiva and Visnhu are worshipped with equal love and admiration and it really beats me to see why it cannot be possible.

And also, i doubt staunch shaiva or Vaishnva tradition description will hold any significance in modern Indian cosmopoliton viewership. There are also viewers outside India who do not really adhere to such thinkings. I guess hence the need for the moderate approach.

i guess your family tradition must be Smartha ( middle path) as advocated by Adi Shankaracharya. i am not saying its impossible to worship them with equal love and admiration.
its only when you dig deep and look into the philosophies then the difference arises.

What you have said in terms of viewer ship is reasonable. However there is also a possibility of wrong kind of message being passed to a viewer who is completely dependent on TV medium for his information in mythology. Tradition might not hold much significance for modern cosmopolitan viewership but i feel by adhering to the tradition, they would give viewers a choice to judge for themselves.

regards
Krishna

Originally posted by: kkr531

same here,just expressing my points.. Well I come from a home where both shiva and Visnhu are worshipped with equal love and admiration and it really beats me to see why it cannot be possible.

And also, i doubt staunch shaiva or Vaishnva tradition description will hold any significance in modern Indian cosmopoliton viewership. There are also viewers outside India who do not really adhere to such thinkings. I guess hence the need for the moderate approach.

i guess your family tradition must be Smartha ( middle path) as advocated by Adi Shankaracharya. i am not saying its impossible to worship them with equal love and admiration.
its only when you dig deep and look into the philosophies then the difference arises.

What you have said in terms of viewer ship is reasonable. However there is also a possibility of wrong kind of message being passed to a viewer who is completely dependent on TV medium for his information in mythology. Tradition might not hold much significance for modern cosmopolitan viewership but i feel by adhering to the tradition, they would give viewers a choice to judge for themselves.

regards
Krishna

Hi all