Reflecting not justifying! Deconstructing Inshi! - Page 9

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Posted: 13 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: AnkitalovesHD


Raj bhai the pure reason indira transformed into Hitler was the betrayal from her father. Now since the perfidious father is back we will see the Might Hitler soon. Rishi will be back, Hitler will be back, the audience will be back and the balance will be restored. 😉



@bold-

hope this all happens in future.

it is very difficult get back viewers once viewers are lost.

now tough task is ahead for PH and ila bedi.

i wish them best of luck.

Edited by 100raj - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hi Ankita. Nice post and very well written.. i totally agree with ur POV. You have written evry single thing i had in mind. But some of us are more talented in putting it to words. So keep up the good work and keep posting. Would love to read more of ur posts.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Excellent character sketch,and analysis.You do have a way with words;really liked the way you have judged both the characters and made a sense for their actions.Couldn't agree more.👏
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thank you so much Raj bhai, dhanya.r and Earnshaw! 😊

Ah I did not want to post this here but thought its a followup of yesterdays conversation in this thread. Cvs got the message loud and clear it seems. Indira's dialogues show her moral dilemma has faded with the revelation abt her father. It was a beautiful dialogue and answers most of our questions regarding Indira. Like jjkj said yesterday that this is not the time Indira should be worried abt what would happen if Sumer's words were proved to be true. Indira proved once again, she is a still the strong person she was. She was simply hibernating. Her father has been her weakness and as I mentioned over and over again the thought of her father betraying her again and the pain it would result in had completely arrested her ability to think clearly.

As Indira gets to know the truth and Hitler resurfaces. The dialogue the creatives wrote for her "We doubt and fear of what might happen when something so horrible occurs but when it does occur the strenght that seeps into us suddenly is beyond our ken!" Now that is what Indira should think like. Yes she fell weak momentarily but the strong adamant person in her is waiting patiently to make a comeback. 😊

As I said it was not a question of what a person should do in such a situation. The Cvs did not go that way. Rather the Cvs in yesterdays episode through Indira's poignant monologue beautifully stated that indira is just like one of us. The world sees her as a Hitler But like any human being she has her weakness and flaws. Hope from now onward Indira wont force herself to wear those rose tinted glasses and see the world again the in the way she used to before, in all its nakedness!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnkitalovesHD

JJkJ: We should not forget Indu is heavily challenged with moral dilemmas all the time. She had to agree to sell the house to save her husband. But where will her family go? Does merely thinking abt this makes her selfish and not love Rishi? there is a hiccup so Indu asks herself the question what she should do! Her family might have to live on the streets since she has no job and on the other hand refusing the kidnappers what they want cud be highly fatal to her husband's life. She is definitely challenged with a moral dilemma here no matter what you say.


But the audience shoot a fusillade of arrows at her because she apparently did not give Rishi the 1st preference here. Some of the IF members would like to call it Indira's 'mahanta'. It would have been highly inhuman of her if she did not even consider the possibility of what might befall her family if she sold their only possession. But she does give priority to Rishi. She was challenged with a dilemma like any other person and chose Rishi over her family. Yes it took her a few secs to get there but she did not treat Rishi like disposible trash and did not leave him there to die at the hands of his kidnappers.

Your words would have valid if Indira thought she has done wrong after signing the paper her father gave her or worse if she refused to sign it. 😊 The Indira u describe would not have gone to visit her husband after his phone call in an attempt to save him in utter desperation, or shouted at the insensitive woman. She did not even think twice when her boss fired her from the very job she needed to keep her family floating, the very family she supposedly keeps giving more priority over her husband! 😕

So why purposely omit all these cases where Indira displays her unbounded love for Rishi? Remember Indira kept supporting Rishi throughout the story esp when his family cursed him and their relationship. She always took his side and said he understood her like no one and wants to be with him even if her family does not approve(The shaadi track) Now thats unfair! 😆 keep an open mind dear... Love Ankita!


Ankita

Patronizing aside, the anger and contempt at Indira is not leveled because she did/didn't agree to sell SN. You are absolutely right that this is a dilemma. And actually not selling SN would be the right decision. If CVs had decided to give Indira brains, she and Radhe, along with a competent police officer would have found a way to trick the kidnappers to release Rishi and not having to sell SN

And yes she went to meet Rishi at the cost of her job. That was human of her

But her inactions and obstructions far outweigh her actions. And most importantly, what led to her downfalls were her inactions when actions would not have cost her anything

Case and point - instead of finding the dump site the truck went to, she had the mental and emotional wherewithal to chase Sumer, wait patiently as he concludes his bribe transaction, take pictures, print flyers, distribute them. All of this right after she has seen her husband being thrown of a high storied building.

Would anyone imagine doing what she did, right after she witnessed murder of her husband. During situations such as this, people become superhuman because of the adrenaline rush, and intense fear of inaction. People snatch life from jaws of death. Yet we see Indira doing her usual, run-of-the-mill bhashan giri


Second example would be the morning after her niece's birth. Your husband is being tortured and most likely near death. You have seen one murder attempt on him. Fine - you prevented your brother being brought in for questioning the day his daughter was born. But considering who Munna is and his habits of getting drunk and disappearing, would not not have spent the night awake, making sure he does not disappear.

Absolutely horrendous was her dis-interested response to Sumer asking her where Munna was. That episode will go down in history of HD as the day old Indira died. Her whole conversation with Sumer was so unbelievable. She was taking him to task for daring to ask her about Munna. And her husband could be dead!

In these cases, time is of the essence. If the kidnappers don't kill Rishi, he could inadvertently die because of internal injuries sustained from constant beating. Infact, this is usually the cause of death.

So, downfall of Indira is because of huge gulf between how we as audience, would react to situation ...versus...how Indira reacted.


PS: And this is CVs fault because they needed to show a dominant Sumer, and that too in conflict with Indira. so Indira had to be brought down to bring Sumer up

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: jjkg


Ankita

Patronizing aside, the anger and contempt at Indira is not leveled because she did/didn't agree to sell SN. You are absolutely right that this is a dilemma. And actually not selling SN would be the right decision. If CVs had decided to give Indira brains, she and Radhe, along with a competent police officer would have found a way to trick the kidnappers to release Rishi and not having to sell SN

And yes she went to meet Rishi at the cost of her job. That was human of her

But her inactions and obstructions far outweigh her actions. And most importantly, what led to her downfalls were her inactions when actions would not have cost her anything

Case and point - instead of finding the dump site the truck went to, she had the mental and emotional wherewithal to chase Sumer, wait patiently as he concludes his bribe transaction, take pictures, print flyers, distribute them. All of this right after she has seen her husband being thrown of a high storied building.

Would anyone imagine doing what she did, right after she witnessed murder of her husband. During situations such as this, people become superhuman because of the adrenaline rush, and intense fear of inaction. People snatch life from jaws of death. Yet we see Indira doing her usual, run-of-the-mill bhashan giri


Second example would be the morning after her niece's birth. Your husband is being tortured and most likely near death. You have seen one murder attempt on him. Fine - you prevented your brother being brought in for questioning the day his daughter was born. But considering who Munna is and his habits of getting drunk and disappearing, would not not have spent the night awake, making sure he does not disappear.

Absolutely horrendous was her dis-interested response to Sumer asking her where Munna was. That episode will go down in history of HD as the day old Indira died. Her whole conversation with Sumer was so unbelievable. She was taking him to task for daring to ask her about Munna. And her husband could be dead!

In these cases, time is of the essence. If the kidnappers don't kill Rishi, he could inadvertently die because of internal injuries sustained from constant beating. Infact, this is usually the cause of death.

So, downfall of Indira is because of huge gulf between how we as audience, would react to situation ...versus...how Indira reacted.


PS: And this is CVs fault because they needed to show a dominant Sumer, and that too in conflict with Indira. so Indira had to be brought down to bring Sumer up


I have my qualms abt those scenes as well. Horribly scripted and so unlike Indira... I agree with u that to establish the fact that Sumer is some kind of maha hitler, Indira was purposely subordinated to him in order to bring him up. Abt those scenes you mentioned, I agree with you completely. See this is the problem with the story writing. We have some scenes where Indira's selfless love for Rishi is brought to the fore front( a few scenes I mentioned) whereas we have such scenes which outright degrades indira's character and befudles us with the question if Indira truly cares for Rishi or not. I do understand your concerns here. Yes Indira might have her little moral crisis regarding her father and her family blah blah blah but at the end of the day the story is abt Inshi and their love( and we love to see the story focused on them) and this track should have focused on some other emotion within Indira's heart i.e her love and concern for Rishi and her desperation to get him back. 😊 The dilemma in her head could have been shown later on after Rishi came back and Inder's dissemblance was highlighted. This track should not have focused on that. The emergency to get Rishi back should have been the primary concern. Maybe later Rishi could have helped Indira through this problem himself. That one lovely monologue that Rati was given yesterday was enough for the audience to understand Indira's state of mind. But instead the audience was bored with constant reminder of Indira's "moral dilemma" which resulted in a show of negligence on her part to get her husband back. Plus when Sumer took charge Indira almost faded in the backdrop. As if she has let go of the case to him resignedly. A more proactive Indira cud have been shown. Instead indira came in between the investigation. 😕
Pple go crazy and despondent in such a situation( I cud only imagine) Having a brilliant actress like Rati at your disposal and not using her skill to any use and that also in such a powerful track was a bad move on the part of the creatives. I guess it cud have been due to our cold remarks after the mandir scene in SN! The audience did not get excited with that scene much. Rati did a fantastic job in expressing the wife's pangs when the husband disappears. Pple called it boring. The Cvs might have then decide to go a different way. (Again I am assuming here) But they forgot that the audience reaction to that scene was mainly due to Rishi's absence. Fans were really depressed(it was the beginning of this track and many thought Rishi was gone for good) and its obvious that they wud overlook such a scene and in anger call it boring.
Edited by AnkitalovesHD - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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OMG! The thread actually crossed 3000 views! 😆 feeling a little proud.😉 So will be posting the 90th comment in this thread thanking all of you for your lovely comments and for liking the post.

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