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vgiri

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Posted: 13 years ago

#31

Archana, plz tell me that you will not agree with Arjun's action if he decides to marry because of Ovi's situation and his guilt. Do not prep yourself for that. Honestly Purvi is at a bad state, she is an orphan and anytime Archana can ditch her for her own kids, Manav doesnt feel comfortable talking to her and Arjun is not in a position to disclose their relationship in the public.. Her job will also be in jeopardy if Ovi comes to know about their affair..

sry for not defending Arjun when u have dedicated the topic for him...

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archverma10

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Posted: 13 years ago

#32

@vgiri...no dear...there is no way I will defend Arjun if he actually marries Ovi. I just dont believe he will. We have a couple of facebook accounts indicating this will be resolved by June, and a couple of articles stating that Ovi will be extremely unhappy with them coming together and will try to create a lot of problems.

All speculation of course...but there have been SBS', articles, etc. that state that Ovi will find out (DK already knows), and Archana herself will come to know. As I said yesterday I think the CVs love to torture us and mess with our heads...they are going to drag this until the actual wedding...but he is not going to go through with it. Someone or something is going to stop Arjun from marrying Ovi and the truth about him and Purvi is going to come out.

What Asha said was that she is very angry...Arjun got engaged to Purvi meaning he is going to marry her (that is after all what an engagement means)...that doesnt mean he is going to actually do it. I do not believe EKTA and the CVs are dumb enough to do that. I dont believe he will actually marry her.

In his own heart right now he doesnt intend to. He is postponing telling her (now he thinks he should wait until her legal problems are over) but he never said...oh let me just give Purvi up and go through with this for Ovi's happiness. That was one of his pain points with his mom...he was only doing this for Ovi's sake...but he asked his mom..."what about me?" Same thing he told his dad very clearly- I cannot do this. I cannot marry Ovi.

Actually marrying Ovi and telling her the truth about his love for Purvi are 2 different things. He is not going to marry her. I really believe that.

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soapwatcher1

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Posted: 13 years ago

#33

Archana, no one is saying Arjun is bad, his intentions are good, as I have said before the way to hell is paved with good intentions. He should have felt this guilty before he confessed to Purvi. Granted he could not contain himself and he fell headlong in love but he could have stopped himself from telling Purvi. Loving does not mean obtaining, he could have loved her from afar and indulged in his justified reasons for not breaking Ovi's heart. He has known all along that Ovi is besotted with him. If you tell me he realized the depth of her feelings for him because she put her career on the line, I will not buy that, sorry. She will always do something stupid like that for him, she announced she was marrying him, she flirted with someone to make him jealous, she put her career on the line, next she will threaten suicide, if he is going to be overcome by guilt at every step, he had no business getting close to Purvi. Being honorable enough to not want to hurt Ovi absent Purvi's presence is fine and dandy. We don't know if it will ever be the right time for Arjun to tell Purvi, do we?

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vgiri

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Posted: 13 years ago

#34

He doesn't say or think 'What about me?" anymore. I wont be surprised if he requests his dad to not talk to Manav until Ovi's situation is resolved. Please don't count on Ekta or CVs..just to drag the story they may get Arjun/Ovi marry and make them go thru divorce etc.. Let me be positive and look for something good during tomorrow's dinner. (even if Ovi doesnt hug Arjun that is good enough for me)

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Esha Singh

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Posted: 13 years ago

#35

Arjun doesn't want to be selfish...and wants to help his best friend in need, so he's not telling Ovi about him not loving her, but loving someone else...but what if tomorrow Ovi wants to commit suicide and forces Arjun to marry her...WHAT THEN ???

Will he go ahead and marry Ovi and coviniently forget abt Purvi ...😡

Coz this is just a legal matter and he chickens out...what will he do when Ovi's life will be at stake 😡 😡...coz it can come to that point right ???? Ovi can go to any extent to make Arjun dances to her tunes...

Then he WILL forget abt Purvi...

Before confessing his love to Purvi or running like a Majnu after Purvi, he should have sorted out this matter first. He fell in love with Purvi...did he even think abt the promise that he made back in Canada to Ovi ???? NO !!!!!!!! wasn't that selfish ????

He just forgot Ovi...

And Purvi was so right when she told him: Ovi's love for you is not something of yesterday or a few days, you knew long before, you promised her to get marrried and still you kept a relation with me without informing abt Ovi...what was that called if not selfish 🤬

And now suddenly he doesn't want to become selfish...what a joke !!!!!!

I think the best option for Arjun is : getting married to Ovi...Ovi will be happy, Manav will be happy & even his dad will be happy and finish off this matter...in this case he won't be selfish and would have thought abt everyone's feeling and happiness and made everyone happy----- leave Purvi alone and let her live in peace and let us all live in peace also...

Even if Arjun has a talk with Purvi and she listens to him...what will happen ??? What does Arjun expect exactly from Purvi ???

That Purvi will understand the situation...a situation created by himself ????

That Purvi will give him a hug and act all lovey dovey with him although he's engaged to her sister ????

That Purvi will wait for him until he finds it convinient enough to tell Ovi the truth and if he doesn't , will eventually get married to Ovi ????

Two people can support each other when they are sure abt each other...but in Purvi's case:

Is she really sure that Arjun will choose her in the end or even loves her ????? Coz Arjun says one thing and inmediately after that contradicts it with his behaviour, so for any girl in that situation it's difficult to think rationally---- you don't know what to be sure about ...

I hope Purvi acts sensible tomorrow and just give him the cold shoulder...really I understand that she cannot easily forget her first love , but I feel Purvi should not become another crybaby like Archana...she should keep her pride and self respect intact...

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soapwatcher1

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Posted: 13 years ago

#36

Esha, exactly my thoughts, that is what I said in my post above. Arjun needs to have thought about the wrong he would be doing Ovi before he confessed to Purvi.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#37

Dear Archana,

I am sure you read my rather long post fully (I used to feel guilty about the length of my posts, but see the amount of vigorous debate you have stirred up! So I need not feel guilty any more.. So you would agree that (1) I am NOT up in arms, whoever else is, and (2) I do NOT think that Arjun is a two-timer.

So, in her innermost heart, does Purvi. That is what makes things worse for her; if she had believed him to be a good for nothing and a hardened flirt, the anger would soon have lessened the pain. It is the opposite now, as we saw yesterday: she hardly ever thinks of him and Ovi together (there is only one passing shot of the paper dance); what she remembers and mourns is the loss of the lovely times they had together. She does not understand what he is doing and why. The lack of communication is near total, and soon it will be like the Berlin Wall before 1992.

Thus you do not at all need to point out how miserable and acutely uncomfortable Arjun is all the time - whether during the paper dance, or in the precap, at the restaurant. I do not need to know how and why he got there to realise that Arjun is always on edge whether Purvi is there or not. He is never going to be relaxed any more, or be able to enjoy himself till he sorts out this mess, and there is absolutely NO question of his either having forgotten Purvi and fooling around with Ovi. Or of his having the slightest intention of marrying Ovi. Or of letting Purvi go either. Or of hurting Purvi; in fact I am prepared to believe that he feels her pain as his own.

Others may not, but I will readily grant Arjun all of the above, and I do NOT question his bonafides. Nonetheless, Archana, the questions remain: what is he actually doing, and how is going to get where he wants to get - freeing himself from Ovi, and persuading Purvi to take him back?

He could have the luxury of not being selfish and not brushing Ovi aside summarily if it was just he who was involved. He has obviously changed as a person and become much more sensitive to others' feelings - for he had brushed her aside quite summarily once before with no sense of guilt. (I also feel that his sense of guilt now about what Ovi has 'given up for him' is misplaced, but let that pass).

The point is that in the process of being unselfish towards Ovi, he is being selfish towards Purvi since, to make himself feel better vis a vis Ovi, he is making Purvi feel very much worse. He knows this, but it does not decide his choice of action, that is the problem. After all, this is not Sophie's Choice, and if he has to do it some time soon, why not now?

Morever, his action plan for this crisis is curiously foggy: has he any idea how long it is going to take to sort out the suit filed against Ovi? Or whether it can be sorted out at all? In fact, this would have been an opportunity to let Ovi down very gently, by assuring her that he cares very deeply for her and feels guilty since she has put her career on the line because of him, and so he will do everything he humanly can to help her out of this tangle.But as for the marriage, he has a problem and he wants her to understand his situation and help him out. Of course he does not try this approach. He is going to sink deeper and deeper into the quagmire with each passing day, and in the end, as he cannot avoid telling Ovi at some point, she will feel much, ,much worse than if he had broken it to her right now, as you have said yourself.

A maxim for us in diplomacy was that there is no such thing as not making a choice - for doing nothing and drifting with the tide is also a choice. This, alas, is what Arjun is doing now, and he is either heading for a plunge over a waterfall, or towards getting stuck in a whirlpool where, like the man in the Edgar Allan Poe story, he might end up bruised and battered and his hair gone white.

One last point and I am done. If Purvi still has her job, her family, her chawl, her life, so will Ovi have the unstinting backing and love of Manav, Teju, Sachin and her grandmothers, and her career (she is a model, and so long as she has an 'international face' that sells, all her trespasses will be forgiven and Romil will find her new contracts).

As for Purvi having Arjun's love and heart, that would not be of much use to her unless she gets the rest of him as well. Even then, as I wrote in a response to Janhvi, neither Arjun nor anyone else can "make things as before between them.". What is to happen to Ovi will scar the minds of everyone concerned - Manav, Archana, Teju, and Sulochana - and even if they come round eventually, it will never be a whole-hearted acceptance. That is the cross both Arjun and Purvi will have to bear, and she more than he, for she cares far more about being loved by these people than he does. It is unfair, and to her more than to him, for she would have any day preferred to be left alone. But then, who said that life is fair?

For the rest, what strikes me is how much of deja vu there is in our analyses. We are, all of us, recycling our arguments, round and round and round, while right in front of us, the CVs are slowly altering the objects of our affection into distorted versions of their old selves, the ones we had grown to love. And we cannot do a thing about that.

As for the restaurant scene today, I hope Purvi does not either look like a mournful statue, with eyes occasionally brimming with unshed tears, or obviously give Arjun the cold shoulder. Both would betray her, and that is not what she wants (or we want). I would like her to be quietly gracious and conversable, as normal as possible, giving NO sign at all of tension or sadness. She should join in the conversation to some extent, and excuse herself a little ahead of the rest and, her head held high and her pride intact, go back to her office. Where Punni awaits her, most likely, full of malicious curiosity. The practice session at the lunch should be useful for Purvi with this ordeal ahead!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: archverma10
Shyamala,
Thank you so much for your post. 😊 I know everyone in the forum is up in arms and it was tough on me to watch the episode online too. It is really tough to see Purvi in pain as we saw today. However I do want to point out one thing... I dont believe Arjun is two-timing...as we saw yesterday, he knew what pain this was going to put Purvi in...and his end thought to himself during the pictures was for Purvi. "I wish I could convince you how much I love you"

I saw the precap too...it did not look like he was smiling, laughing, and having a good old time. I dont think that precap was an indication that he has forgotten Purvi and is having a grand old time with Ovi and no longer in love for Purvi. I for one am not going to jump to conclusions since we dont know how we wound up at the restaurant, under what circumstances he is there, etc. I want to see how he ended up there before drawing any conclusions first.

I agree with you Shyamala in that we all need to calm down and remember that he is indeed a very, very stupid and dense young man. But that does not make him a 2 timer or someone who is intentionally trying to hurt Purvi. He is making some very bad and terrible decisions, and seems to be totally unable to take the bull by the horns and do what needs to be done. As you said, over the phone was much easier for him- when he has Ovi face to face in front of him...and it is obvious the depth of her feelings for him and how much she has given up to be with him----his courage totally fails him.

Extreme guilt is one of the worst feelings in the world to have. I understand that Purvi is involved and all- but please keep in mind what he himself said in the office. He knows she is suffering, even more than him, he knows how she feels- he knows all of it. But he truly believes in the end result- in his heart he has no intention of getting married to Ovi. He is going through this charade and continuing on but I want you guys to try to get out of your very justified anger and think about this and tell me your take.

Everytime he thinks of telling Ovi...he says "I cant be so selfish" This has been his mindset everytime. Purvi, and declaring his love for Purvi, and being with her, to him is what he ultimately wants and desires above everything. See, I want you guys to consider this---- what is the definition of the word selfish??

To me, this is what selfish means: when you want to and desire something...very badly for yourself...and are willing to do anything to get it no matter the consequences. In Arjun's mind, breaking Ovi's heart, declaring his love for Purvi publicly, and being with Purvi- without regard to Ovi's feelings is selfish. Because that is what he wants in his own heart. But doing this without regard for Ovi is beneficial only to him (and of course to Purvi). That is why he wants to make sure what he is not doing is selfish.

Yes, agreed...drawing this out is going to make matters worse- that is inevitable. Ovi will definitely end up being more heartbroken. However, in his mind, he thinks that he can still fix this.

He has the bad luck to be saddled with a complete fool of a fiancee that has the worst perception in the world- like I said, cant see and hear anything beyond what she wants to see and hear. She has also come to India, giving up her career and what set her apart with her own identity because she is totally banking on a life with him. She threw caution to the winds on her 100% assumption that he is in love with her and going to be her husband. She wont have anything to fall back on when he is not there.

Purvi still has her job, her family, her chawl, her life. And above all- she is the one who has Arjun's love and heart. This reminds me of the Bible story of Jacob, Leah, and Rachel (I dont know if any of you know it- its too lengthy to go into here- but do read it)

Ovi is going to be heartbroken no matter which way we look at it- but Arjun feels that at least by trying to help her through her legal issues and approaching the issue with sensitivity he can somewhat mitigate the pain. This is where he has gone wrong- and as Shyamala said- made a huge blunder in judgement. He doesnt realize that the more he prolongs it the worse he is making it. This is where we see his denseness and utter lack of judgement- in doing this he has made a terrible mistake. This does not mean he is 2 timing anyone.

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purethought

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Posted: 13 years ago

#38

I agree with posts by Jahnvi, Esha and Vgiri. Also to some extent to Shyamala and Arch. I sometimes see no point in arguing over Arjun and Purvi -- whose right, whose not. They are characters that Ekta and her PR creative team will treat the way they want to treat. The fact remains is that they create magic when together onscreen. A beautiful couple who don't have to hug or kiss or PDA to express love. They can do it by being far away from each other, just through their eyes. That is the ARVI magic. Isn't this the magic that drew us to them and isn't this the bond that we still somewhere in our hearts want to see again.

But the Cvs all of a sudden decide to change Arjun's behaviour overnight where he places Ovi's concerns over Purvi's. He puts the ring on her -- we supported him. He never gets the chance to tell Ovi about Purvi -- we supported him. Even after telling Purvi passionately in the office, " I will tell Ovi today. I cannot live without you Purvi" -- he chooses not to tell Ovi. I attribute all this finally to the weird thought processes of the writers of this track. They should have handled this gently, should have made his behaviour more convincing. His dialogues are lame, credit goes to the writers, not the usually eloquent AK . "I cannot do this to Ovi. I am sorry Purvi" ( These are his dialogues at the party) -- rattled off in a hurry, and written perhaps in an even more hurry. This dialogue clearly states to the viewer that Arjun has overnight placed Ovi over Purvi, all this after pursuing Purvi relentlessly for a strong reciprocation to his love.

Jahnvi and Vgiri correctly say that if tomorrow Ovi threatens suicide, will he end up marrying her?? Seems likely given his behaviour at the party. Didn't Arjun know how besotted Ovi can get. Well, I think the writers of PR have lost track of so many tracks in PR -- Arman, ARvi, now tej-Ovi. They are not able to do justice to anyone.

All this is happening thanks to some unclassy treatment to Arjun-Purvi by the creative team of PR, who should create a situation where our hearts hurt for both Purvi and Arjun. Giving lame dialogues and behaviour to Arjun at such crucial stages, makes his actions seem unconvincing to most of us who want to see Arjun-Purvi together. Arjun should atleast be shown not allowing Ovi into his arms, by turning down atleast some invitations to Parties and luncheons/dinners. He should not be shown happily greeting guests at engagement celebration parties. I hope they will rectify these little aspects in the coming episodes and revive our love for Arjun which continues to flicker.

Trish

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