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Here is the summary of a very interesting discussion in the previous thread about parenting for your pre-episode reading pleasure. 😊
Parvarish doesn't necessarily come from parents.
This one is so true and I agree completely. It just takes a strong influence in your life to steer you in the right direction and that force can come from anyone. So Yash and Prateek were surely influenced by Pankaj a lot as he was their older brother and they would have wanted to be just like him, and Pankaj being the gem he is, took that responsibility seriously. To this day we see that both Pankaj and Yash are very much parents to Prateek and I still maintain that the SR night was Yash's best display of his parenting chops. I am actually dying to know more about Aarti's childhood now. What was her parvarish, was it all self-taught or did she have a mentor?
These things can't be generalised
Again, I totally agree. This is why I was referring specifically to the Scindias and the Dubeys, who happen to have joint and nuclear family models, respectively. It was not meant to be a discussion of the different types of families in the abstract but rather a specific analysis of why the "bad" in-laws succeeded in rearing the honourable men while the "good" in-laws raised one that broke his promises and the faith his closest family had in him. Leave aside what he did to Aarti where right and wrong is very debatable according to me. But abandoning Ansh is just plain wrong. You don't have to be in a functional relationship with the mother to be a good and present father.
Centralised decision making
I think this was Indu and I think you have a real point here. When there is someone sort of overriding the function of the household, it does function as a cohesive unit. It is another matter whether that cohesion is organic or forced but for the Scindias, I do find it pretty organic. None of the sons seem eager to run away (except maybe Yash on the whole remarriage thing) and do have a healthy respect for their parents. I also think it is interesting that their parents can be defied. I can also not forget that it was his dad that Yash messaged when they were arrested for being in that shady bar. So there is a degree of trust between the parents and the children.
As for Prashant's upbringing, I do agree that we don't have enough to go on but from what I can surmise, Papa Dubey let Prashant make mistakes without taking responsibility for them. This is what I got from the sequence just before the wedding when Dubey falls weak and allows Aarti to go. Similarly, it felt like he was getting Aarti married partly to fix Prashant's mistake (though marriage is not the real answer). He is ready for Prashant to come back and for their life to go back to normal...that is actually a possibility for him! And when he is in that mood, Shobha fades into the background because he beats her down with his harsh words. So this is how I see Prashant's upbringing. Prashant makes a mistake, Shobha holds him accountable but Dubey comes and fixes it and tells Prashant not to worry. That is why he is able to leave Aarti, because she was a mistake and he has not been taught to take responsibility for his decisions.
And as for the Scindias being open-minded, ok maybe that isn't the right word but Papa S is smart enough to know that being ahead of his time is much more of a sound investment than being strictly traditional. Basically, he is aware of the world outside, the way it is changing and know how to adapt to keep his position intact. That is intelligent I think.
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Episode Analysis
Episode Analysis
Um, well, you will have to forgive me if I am not exactly coherent today. I am still in fangirl mode over that last scene, even when he was shouting at her but I will get to that later. There were a lot of interesting things that happened in the episode, lots to think about, not least one of my dream tracks of Paridhi's job. I am so glad that got started today and the CVs didn't just sort of leave it hanging for too long. On to business:
Today was Aarti and Ans's night/day for making Yash talk about everything he had bottled up inside. It sort of bothered me that Ansh felt no guilt for the pin, if not for hurting his dad, then for getting his mother shouted at on his behalf. But then maybe he is used to her taking the fall for him and so he doesn't think much of it. This is a trait to look out for later. I am SO GLAD that Yash took out all his frustrations on Aarti. We all know that her greatest weakness is not listening and doing whatever she takes to her head and here it turns into an advantage. While she does give an ear to Yash's concerns, her main objective is finding a way to help him with his pain at that moment, and everything else sort of just flows off her back.
Point to be noted: Neither Aarti nor Yash confirmed to Ansh that the kissy would not happen. 😉 And since this was his primary worry, he went to his room unsatisfied with the inconclusive outcome of his mission. I wonder what is bothering him so much about the kiss and I do think it is possessiveness towards Aarti and huge discomfort with the idea of another man in her life. If he was competing with Aarti for Yash on the other hand, he would have done something to endear himself to his new dad, not pierce his...um...ego! 😆
The pillow scene was of course adorable and GC was so cute. I could relate to the OCD about the towel. Sometimes you just can't sleep when something like that is staring you in the face, but the readjustment of the towel was the clincher that showed this man has issues. I also thought it was interesting that when Aarti's hand lands on his, he doesn't just take his hand away but moves hers...back into her side of the bed. All about perfection this one.
I was so incredibly happy with Paridhi today! Some girls really like the whole domestic routine and it suits them, they are interested even when they have jobs, but for others it is really boring and she seems to be one of those. She is showing no interest in really learning any housework as she uses any way possible to get out of it. Basically she wants to go back to work, which is where her passion lies, and why not when Prateek did to? Why not indeed! 👍🏼 I got the idea that Prateek thought this job ki bhoot would sort of just "go away" after marriage, as though marriage was some sort of magic pill that made a girl domestically oriented. I like that they are enforcing that marriage does not change people unless they choose to change themselves. Paridhi is not unreasonable. She is willing to wait for Prateek to "ask permission" which in itself could be construed as an insult to a girl who has always been independent and made her own choices as an adult. She is doing her bit and I hope he succeeds in doing his. Otherwise I see a rift in the Scindia Swarglok soon. 😕
Aw the PayPal scene was precious! They are really starting to accept Aarti as a part of their lives, now smiling and talking happily in her presence. And how could they resist that warm, welcoming smile, full of love and those gorgeous eyes full of masti? Poor kids don't have any fun clips though, but now we know that Aarti has been officially accepted as a Scindia bahu because she has been blamed for Gayatri's bhulakkad! Aw! Group hug! 🤗🤣
The breakfast table moment was also very, very telling about the regressive ways in which the Scindias, or at least the older generation, regard women. I felt bad for Aarti here. She genuinely thought Prateek was starting a conversation and chimed in and lo and behold she was silenced by Papa S himself, who acknowledges that other people might think that way and it's super for them, but not the Scindias. It was interesting to see that on one side the idea of women working and going toe to toe with men outside the house was being rejected by Casanova, and at the same table, the traditional bahu, Vidhi whose world starts and ends with this house is being rejected by her husband. Interesting contradiction there. Poor Prateek. He should have thought this through before marriage.
Isn't it great how nobody noticed where Yash was until half the meal was done? No wonder PayPal are neglected if Yash himself can't make his absence known immediately! Haila!
And now to the best of the episode! Look at that casanova, sending bahu only to wake Yash up! And I am actually suspecting him of some black magic/voo doo today becuase Yash did think this new Arpita was the old Arpita. 😲 Just what Papa S wanted. I am telling you. Something's rotten in the state of Denmark!
Ok now to the last scene, Yash in his feverish stupour thinks that Aarti is Arpita and pulls her towards him and brushes her hair softly away. He is lost in this dream until Aarti herself snaps him out of it with her candid question of what are you doing, abruptly snatching her hand away. I am thinking the sound of the kangan when Aarti jerked her hand away was what triggered Yash into this half sleep dream. Isn't it interesting that Aarti had some intimate physical contact with Yash, thinking he was Ansh and now Yash has had some physical contact with Aarti, thinking she was Arpi. It reflects our discussion about their respective obsessions.
What I loved most about Yash's outburst were his expressions of disorientation and confusion and his complete, blind anger on himself for thinking that Aarti was Arpita. It must have been a heady combination after so long to dream of Arpita's presence and actually feel a warm, living woman in his arms and so I can understand the adverse effect when he wakes up and realises it is Aarti. He hates Aarti in that moment for not being Arpita, he hates himself for daring to make that mistake and I think on some level he even hates Arpita for not being there, which only makes it all the worse. If you notice the fb was in full colour, I think meaning that Yash was totally submerged in it. There was no part of his conscious mind at work.
But I loved that he was like a little kid with his outburst in this scene and Aarti just handled him with calm and maturity. We thought he would be the calm one to her storm, but it looks like they are going to take turns and surprisingly the placid Yash was the first one in the relationship to totally lose it. Gah! His expression when he said nobody could take Arpita's place is still haunting me! The most important thing though is that she has now seen a side and degree of his grief and anguish that I don't think he has ever expressed to anybody. This is AarYa's first, "only you" thing, I think.
And Aarti's reply was so perfect. "Mein kisi ki jagah lena bhi nahin chahti. Mein sirf aapko jagane aayi thi". This is the perfect definition of what Aarti is going to be in this marriage. Just like she woke him up today, she is going to wake him up in life, out of the stupour he has been living in, that half awake state where Arpita still exists if he promises never to fully wake up. Well mister, your wake up call is here and it is not taking no for an answer! 😉 I love how he bowed down to her commanding tone, "no you will not go anywhere, mister" and just took rest.
I guess we have the hospital sequence to look forward to for next week. 😃
Today was Aarti and Ans's night/day for making Yash talk about everything he had bottled up inside. It sort of bothered me that Ansh felt no guilt for the pin, if not for hurting his dad, then for getting his mother shouted at on his behalf. But then maybe he is used to her taking the fall for him and so he doesn't think much of it. This is a trait to look out for later. I am SO GLAD that Yash took out all his frustrations on Aarti. We all know that her greatest weakness is not listening and doing whatever she takes to her head and here it turns into an advantage. While she does give an ear to Yash's concerns, her main objective is finding a way to help him with his pain at that moment, and everything else sort of just flows off her back.
Point to be noted: Neither Aarti nor Yash confirmed to Ansh that the kissy would not happen. 😉 And since this was his primary worry, he went to his room unsatisfied with the inconclusive outcome of his mission. I wonder what is bothering him so much about the kiss and I do think it is possessiveness towards Aarti and huge discomfort with the idea of another man in her life. If he was competing with Aarti for Yash on the other hand, he would have done something to endear himself to his new dad, not pierce his...um...ego! 😆
The pillow scene was of course adorable and GC was so cute. I could relate to the OCD about the towel. Sometimes you just can't sleep when something like that is staring you in the face, but the readjustment of the towel was the clincher that showed this man has issues. I also thought it was interesting that when Aarti's hand lands on his, he doesn't just take his hand away but moves hers...back into her side of the bed. All about perfection this one.
I was so incredibly happy with Paridhi today! Some girls really like the whole domestic routine and it suits them, they are interested even when they have jobs, but for others it is really boring and she seems to be one of those. She is showing no interest in really learning any housework as she uses any way possible to get out of it. Basically she wants to go back to work, which is where her passion lies, and why not when Prateek did to? Why not indeed! 👍🏼 I got the idea that Prateek thought this job ki bhoot would sort of just "go away" after marriage, as though marriage was some sort of magic pill that made a girl domestically oriented. I like that they are enforcing that marriage does not change people unless they choose to change themselves. Paridhi is not unreasonable. She is willing to wait for Prateek to "ask permission" which in itself could be construed as an insult to a girl who has always been independent and made her own choices as an adult. She is doing her bit and I hope he succeeds in doing his. Otherwise I see a rift in the Scindia Swarglok soon. 😕
Aw the PayPal scene was precious! They are really starting to accept Aarti as a part of their lives, now smiling and talking happily in her presence. And how could they resist that warm, welcoming smile, full of love and those gorgeous eyes full of masti? Poor kids don't have any fun clips though, but now we know that Aarti has been officially accepted as a Scindia bahu because she has been blamed for Gayatri's bhulakkad! Aw! Group hug! 🤗🤣
The breakfast table moment was also very, very telling about the regressive ways in which the Scindias, or at least the older generation, regard women. I felt bad for Aarti here. She genuinely thought Prateek was starting a conversation and chimed in and lo and behold she was silenced by Papa S himself, who acknowledges that other people might think that way and it's super for them, but not the Scindias. It was interesting to see that on one side the idea of women working and going toe to toe with men outside the house was being rejected by Casanova, and at the same table, the traditional bahu, Vidhi whose world starts and ends with this house is being rejected by her husband. Interesting contradiction there. Poor Prateek. He should have thought this through before marriage.
Isn't it great how nobody noticed where Yash was until half the meal was done? No wonder PayPal are neglected if Yash himself can't make his absence known immediately! Haila!
And now to the best of the episode! Look at that casanova, sending bahu only to wake Yash up! And I am actually suspecting him of some black magic/voo doo today becuase Yash did think this new Arpita was the old Arpita. 😲 Just what Papa S wanted. I am telling you. Something's rotten in the state of Denmark!
Ok now to the last scene, Yash in his feverish stupour thinks that Aarti is Arpita and pulls her towards him and brushes her hair softly away. He is lost in this dream until Aarti herself snaps him out of it with her candid question of what are you doing, abruptly snatching her hand away. I am thinking the sound of the kangan when Aarti jerked her hand away was what triggered Yash into this half sleep dream. Isn't it interesting that Aarti had some intimate physical contact with Yash, thinking he was Ansh and now Yash has had some physical contact with Aarti, thinking she was Arpi. It reflects our discussion about their respective obsessions.
What I loved most about Yash's outburst were his expressions of disorientation and confusion and his complete, blind anger on himself for thinking that Aarti was Arpita. It must have been a heady combination after so long to dream of Arpita's presence and actually feel a warm, living woman in his arms and so I can understand the adverse effect when he wakes up and realises it is Aarti. He hates Aarti in that moment for not being Arpita, he hates himself for daring to make that mistake and I think on some level he even hates Arpita for not being there, which only makes it all the worse. If you notice the fb was in full colour, I think meaning that Yash was totally submerged in it. There was no part of his conscious mind at work.
But I loved that he was like a little kid with his outburst in this scene and Aarti just handled him with calm and maturity. We thought he would be the calm one to her storm, but it looks like they are going to take turns and surprisingly the placid Yash was the first one in the relationship to totally lose it. Gah! His expression when he said nobody could take Arpita's place is still haunting me! The most important thing though is that she has now seen a side and degree of his grief and anguish that I don't think he has ever expressed to anybody. This is AarYa's first, "only you" thing, I think.
And Aarti's reply was so perfect. "Mein kisi ki jagah lena bhi nahin chahti. Mein sirf aapko jagane aayi thi". This is the perfect definition of what Aarti is going to be in this marriage. Just like she woke him up today, she is going to wake him up in life, out of the stupour he has been living in, that half awake state where Arpita still exists if he promises never to fully wake up. Well mister, your wake up call is here and it is not taking no for an answer! 😉 I love how he bowed down to her commanding tone, "no you will not go anywhere, mister" and just took rest.
I guess we have the hospital sequence to look forward to for next week. 😃
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