Woh jo bhi kuch aur hai, woh BDO zaroor hai

19/4/2012: Ab tak woh Beti Thi, lekin ab, woh BDO hai

According to me pintu is right on his place.plz pintu ko galat mat kaha karo becoz IF par kuch aise hain jo pintu singh ko pasand karte hain.i am not saying krishna is wrong she is also right on her place

Rachna,

It is unfortunate that there is no Dislike button for the posts. There was a time when I raised same kind of criticism over Krishna's character, the time when she agreed for the marriage. May be it did not affect you because there was nothing about Pinto ji being discussed.

Whatever said and done, I understand that watching TV serials and discussing these fictional characters over the forum here is allowed. And discussing characters in relation to drama development is also permissible. As such there is no mud-slinging going on with a personal vendetta here !

If a consensus opinion is passed on me like putting a ban on me for posting critical commentaries, then I guess I have to follow it if the forum rules say so. But let that consensus opinion reach me first through the moderator. As of now I am not aware that I broke any rules. I have not bashed any forum member, have not said a thing about the actor playing the character. I am discussing a character in relation to episodal content and tracing it back. All those events have been raised by other characters of the show as well.

As for Pinto's character trajectory being swooped into a different dimension just like Ganga had over past two weeks, please blame the story-writers and not me. I am only making sure that by raising these points, I will still have the hope that the swoop may not be a total wash-out and has some salvage potential left.

Regards.

Originally posted by: Prishna_DBPS

Shri I saw your post I don't know why are you so hyper and blaming Pintu like anything. I didn't wanted to answer because I generally prefer to stay away from any argument but can't stop myself from replying this post.

By making Pintu bad or you can say worst character can you change the fact that krishna is also human and she can also do faults.

I never wanted to raise it and felt Krishna's majboori and official restrictions but I always felt even when VP was arrested and today Ganga devi is arrested.

Is putting innocent people behind bar in the name of law, order and evidence right and morally correct.

I am not blaming Krishna as I can understand she had to follow the protocol but this is also wrong Morally like u torture a innocent person without committing crime.

The above points he always had best motives while doing those actions and I must say Krishna is benefited from that.

I just wanna say stop throwing mud on other's person's character to prove one right. I know Krishna is right in her own place but she is not completely faultless.

VERY WELL SAID Rachu 👏

Aggreed . if Pintu is not right then Krishna 2 is not right . It was she who told Pintu 2 bring TTS in thana so tht Ganga devi could be saved . I really don't know why Pintu is been blamed ? I mean he didn't asked her 2 stop the arrest , Infact usne toh kuch bola hi nahi tha when that cable waala took Ganga's name . Did he said 2 krishna that U CAN'T ARREST MY MAA , SHE IS INNOCENT . NO It was krishna who said tht she wants 2 help Pintu , If Pintu was wrong in asking the time from Krishna then Krishna 2 was wrong by giving the time 2 Pintu . If she was not sure 2 delay the arrest waarent then why she assured Pintu ? If I am not Wrong She Clearly said " hum Ganga chachi ka Arrest Warrent Ek ghante ke liye rokte hai " And once she did then Being a BDO She shld have used her Power .

And I also aggree with u that Whtever Pintu did breaking all rules n all , till the time when krishna was benefited frm it (Almost everytime ) He was doing rght But As soon as it didn't benefited Krishna then he became a rule breaker ? Today VP is out of Jail becozz of Pintu and not krishna . What krishna did 2 release VP ? Just saying tht I am bound with my Duty is WEAKNESS of Krishna (frm my side ) , If It's ur duty 2 take action then Ur Another duty was 2 save an innocent person in which She completely failed . Had Pintu not switched on the bulb of DC and Krishna's mind by that Signtaure thing , They all were ready 2 send an innocent person into jail just becozz he didn't had any Proof ? PLEASE!!!! Who would have saved VP ?

See i m also not against Krishna But just want 2 say that Both Pintu and Krishna are human beings FORGOD SAKE , They are not God who can't do mistakes . But Just to blame one person for cicumstances is not at all correct . n I still feel and i will not at all change my view abt Krishna in yest's episode that She could have done more 2 delay arrest warrent but provided she would have used her little presence of mind .

Interesting post Shri!

I think you have a detected real pattern there. For Pintu, rules and words are meant to be bent. He places the priority of getting something done for the right reasons as soon as possible, rather than getting it done the right way, even if it takes longer. Most of the time this works because he has the backing of his dad's name and money and his own physical prowess, and because we live in a world where things are hardly ever black and white. It is interesting though because though his deeds will get things righted in the short term they will do nothing to change people or their mindsets which should be a long-term goal. It's the whole idea of give a man a fish vs. teaching him how to fish. Pintu force feeds people what is right without giving them the chance to think for themselves or participate consciously. The best example is the little girl who got the DC's "autograph". That was for the ultimate good and it was effective to be sure, but he didn't really think about what he was teaching the little girl in that situation.

We applaud his presence of mind because it comes out in the favour of what is right most of the time. I guess it took this same bending of rules having a negative effect for us to go back and assess all of the things we had applauded and realise how the pattern was always there and we failed to recognise it because it was doing good. I don't know if I am making much sense at this point.

Please all understand that a criticism of Pintu is not by default a defense or glorification of Krishna. Whether Krishna has faults or not is irrelevant to this post as far as I can see as it discusses Pintu's character exclusively.

Shri, I remember your criticism posts of Krishna! I think, same as Pintu, I understood why she was doing what she was doing but I couldn't really approve of it. It is time for Krishna to give Pintu that slap that changes everything, I think. I hope it is a verbal slap but that might be too much to hope for in the context of this show. 😆

Thanks Sam.

Agree with your thoughts. Walking the right path may seem harder at first, but in restropect having taken that path always tells us that it was a beautiful journey. Truth has this magical trait about it that even the weak attain strength while living in it and that's why most love it for the kick it gives. Pinto character did not have that experience of walking on that harder path by environmental upbringing, but he definitely feels the kick of strength out of living a truthful life. In between these two bounds of his, he needs to actually start his journey. That was my point of the mini analysis as to how the character here vacillates between these two extreme realities for him..one present in action and the other present over a mental plane. He just needs to build a bridge between the two and start walking.

As for critical posts I remember Sandia making an issue of slaps in the show. At that time, I took it as one time drama and I did enjoy seeing the slaps that she raised as issues. But I could understand her larger concern. Yes, at times; most would like to keep quiet and watch. But in the name of drama, if it gets repeated then definitely is a concern. As audience, we definitely should react. Today the punch came quiet close, the police officer was pushed aside and he fell down. Is it not known to us that laying hands on a uniformed man is an offence, but none of us are raising the point because it was heights of emotion and he did not directly hold the police and had no eye-contact. But can the writer provide guarantee to us that next time they will not repeat this happening again with the same character? No idea. So the violent streak is still somewhere in. ready to raise its head if need be...is it all a purposeful representation ?

I am remembering the Affirmation Song from Savage Garden. I like all the lines of the song generally and at times some line suit perfectly the mood or situation we are in. Like AB high drama, even as we sometimes know it is not right, we like it like that junk food that tastes so good!.

Immediate resolutions are nice to see. I am professionally associated to the world high speed trading platforms and trader requirements and making connections. I understand speed and the millions that get invested in bettering speed. But in the end, speed or no speed; without organic growth prospect, speed takes us nowhere. Every growth or period analysis is like daily trends dropping into underlying longer term trend... So long term resolutions are also welcome ..

And here's the song lyrics in the hope that you are able to enjoy 😆


"Affirmation"

I believe the sun should never set upon an argument
I believe we place our happiness in other people's hands
I believe that junk food tastes so good because it's bad for you
I believe your parents did the best job they knew how to do
I believe that beauty magazines promote low self-esteem
I believe I'm loved when I'm completely by myself alone
I believe in Karma what you give is what you get returned
I believe you can't appreciate real love until you've been burned
I believe the grass is no more greener on the other side
I believe you don't know what you've got until you say goodbye

I believe you can't control or choose your sexuality
I believe that trust is more important than monogamy
I believe your most attractive features are your heart and soul
I believe that family is worth more than money or gold
I believe the struggle for financial freedom is unfair
I believe the only ones who disagree are millionaires

I believe in Karma what you give is what you get returned
I believe you can't appreciate real love until you've been burned
I believe the grass is no more greener on the other side
I believe you don't know what you've got until you say goodbye

I believe forgiveness is the key to your unhappiness
I believe that wedded bliss negates the need to be undressed
I believe that God does not endorse TV evangelists
I believe in love surviving death into eternity

I believe in Karma what you give is what you get returned
I believe you can't appreciate real love until you've been burned
I believe the grass is no more greener on the other side
I believe you don't know what you've got until you say goodbye

Originally posted by: shridevigaddam

Agree with your thoughts. Walking the right path may seem harder at first, but in restropect having taken that path always tells us that it was a beautiful journey. Truth has this magical trait about it that even the weak attain strength while living in it and that's why most love it for the kick it gives. Pinto character did not have that experience of walking on that harder path by environmental upbringing, but he definitely feels the kick of strength out of living a truthful life. In between these two bounds of his, he needs to actually start his journey. That was my point of the mini analysis as to how the character here vacillates between these two extreme realities for him..one present in action and the other present over a mental plane. He just needs to build a bridge between the two and start walking.

As for critical posts I remember Sandia making an issue of slaps in the show. At that time, I took it as one time drama and I did enjoy seeing the slaps that she raised as issues. But I could understand her larger concern. Yes, at times; most would like to keep quiet and watch. But in the name of drama, if it gets repeated then definitely is a concern. As audience, we definitely should react. Today the punch came quiet close, the police officer was pushed aside and he fell down. Is it not known to us that laying hands on a uniformed man is an offence, but none of us are raising the point because it was heights of emotion and he did not directly hold the police and had no eye-contact. But can the writer provide guarantee to us that next time they will not repeat this happening again with the same character? No idea. So the violent streak is still somewhere in. ready to raise its head if need be...is it all a purposeful representation ?

First of all, I loved that song! I had heard it I think when I was too young to really understand because the tune sounds familiar but not the lyrics.

@red: I completely agree with this and I had made a post a long time ago (will see if I can dig it up) about how these two extremes in his life are sort of manifest in the conflict between TTS and Babloo. Before he found out TTS' truth, he was literally straddling the line between these two and his job in life was to maintain the peace between them and to try to reconcile the two extremes. This is why I am accepting his devotion to Ganga now, he was her kid, walked her path. This is also why I feel he went so long without unemployment because whatever he did, he would be declaring allegiance to either his father or his brother and he couldn't afford to do either. This is why his statements about figuring out "Pintu Singh" meant so much to me.

But unfortunately, before he could really figure out what he was, he became Krishna's piyaji. And in the last few episodes he acted as that rather than as that, once again, rather than figuring out his own stance on things.

I think this is why he has that tendency to break and bend rules. He defines himself according to other people and has not formed his own identity, his own set of principles and his own ideals. As long as he is following someone else, he can't be held accountable and this is why it is so easy for him to bend the rules. He is indeed a valuable ally to someone like Krishna but until he finds out what he stands for it is impossible to judge if they are meant for each other or not.

I was also thinking, while we are on the subject of Pintu's behavioural patterns, that there have been two times that things haven't gone Pintu's way immediately when he has cost Krishna a great deal. Obviously there is now, and then there was the time he couldn't get a job immediately. He barged into Krishna's office and created a ruckus, that too in front of the pompous DC! As much as Krishna's dream means to him when he is lucid, he is equally out of control in that regard when he is not. That does not bode well for either of them or the future of this relationship.

As for your second point in bold. I agree. I think some junk food is needed in order to stop this from being a documentary and we all accept that but just like they did with the stranger danger, there should be follow ups for all the entertaining wrongdoings that happen. This show is definitely more responsible than most but Pintu's violence is definitely a subject that will be dealt with, I feel later on.

Haan, here is the post from ages ago, titled Pintu's identity crisis:

www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2789424