Woh jo bhi kuch aur hai, woh BDO zaroor hai - Page 2

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Haan, here is the post from ages ago, titled Pintu's identity crisis:

www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2789424

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

@Shri: This is totally like all those serials when the hero and heroine run into each other before they know they are the hero and heroine of the story!

Your chiffon dupatta fluttered in my face, long before I knew you, and I didn't even realise it! 🤣

So run across that sarson ka khet and give us a hug! 🤗

Now that we have discovered our common destiny! 😉

Shri I always love your comments u pick up things that sometimes some of us miss and u ask a lot of tough questions ab this show and the characters that needs to be asked and answered. But this current post u are a bit too harsh with him he isn't that bad he really can't help the only way he is we can control most of our actions but how do we stop our heart from reacting and this is what he does all the time he reacts from the heart. The only time we will be able to see a calm, rational person is if he blocks out all emotional contact with ppl if he don't allow himself to feel anything 4 any1 and that's impossible to do at the moment 4 him. But that being said there are 2 sides to the man 1 is extreme and the other has been want we have seen for the past few weeks calm, rational but there is always a feeling with him when is the monster going to come out of him. Watching his scenes with Krishna even though very sweet I always felt like a wrong word by Krishna may trigger something in him. He is a reactor that's why he is often so quick witted.

Now his bdo comment- the way he supported Krishna when her dad went to jail was 1 of mere support coz at the end of the day Krishna had to deal with her emotions herself and Pintu is going to have to do the same thing and at the moment he don't realize that besides support he can't expect anything else from her. Krishna even though she had him had to go through her own pain and so will Pintu and that statement of his she is now a bdo is in accordance with his role in her life he was there 4 support but he couldn't make her problems disappear. when she made that promise she was trying to do the same thing by promising she would be with him to help him but he is just too emotional at the moment to think straight let alone do anything else. Krishna to do her duty couldn't be a daughter and this time around Pintu is so emotionally that he isn't able to think as the person who is in love with and knows Krishna and he only sees himself as Ganga's son. Now Krishna is going to have to be there 4 him she can't leave him coz he said something to her when he was in an emotional state.

Now your comments ab him using his dads money to be with Krishna and even after he left home we don't know where he got his money from (would have been nice if they had shown a scene ab his financial situation after he left but now we are left to wonder). But we could also argue that since he was helping Babloo at the coaching center that he was given something for that and this was the money he was using to live on now.

Now the tough part of your post him not keeping his promise and I really don't know how to respond to this coz we all know that Pintu is loyal and he does seem like the sort of person who once he makes a commitment won't back out. But he has made 2 promises 1 without his heart but mind and the other he did whole heartedly and with full consciousness and in both instances he broke his promise. If situations changes a man's beliefs and conviction that person doesn't have anything and no1 can trust that person. Him breaking his promise to his dad we could understand it coz he really didn't want to get married to Pinky but he had given his word and it changed coz of the situation not coz of him- I would have really preferred him backing out completely than him backing out coz of what his dad had done. And now there is Krishna and even though we can understand his plight he broke her heart by uttering those words he promised to be with her forever and at the 1^st hurdle he doesn't stand with her. For me I really feel when he said she tricked him it was ab the 5 minutes and nothing more – I am at a loss as how to defend him here though.

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Interesting post Shri!

I think you have a detected real pattern there. For Pintu, rules and words are meant to be bent. He places the priority of getting something done for the right reasons as soon as possible, rather than getting it done the right way, even if it takes longer. Most of the time this works because he has the backing of his dad's name and money and his own physical prowess, and because we live in a world where things are hardly ever black and white. It is interesting though because though his deeds will get things righted in the short term they will do nothing to change people or their mindsets which should be a long-term goal. It's the whole idea of give a man a fish vs. teaching him how to fish. Pintu force feeds people what is right without giving them the chance to think for themselves or participate consciously. The best example is the little girl who got the DC's "autograph". That was for the ultimate good and it was effective to be sure, but he didn't really think about what he was teaching the little girl in that situationWe applaud his presence of mind because it comes out in the favour of what is right most of the time. I guess it took this same bending of rules having a negative effect for us to go back and assess all of the things we had applauded and realise how the pattern was always there and we failed to recognise it because it was doing good. I don't know if I am making much sense at this point.---

Please all understand that a criticism of Pintu is not by default a defense or glorification of Krishna. Whether Krishna has faults or not is irrelevant to this post as far as I can see as it discusses Pintu's character exclusively.

Shri, I remember your criticism posts of Krishna! I think, same as Pintu, I understood why she was doing what she was doing but I couldn't really approve of it. It is time for Krishna to give Pintu that slap that changes everything, I think. I hope it is a verbal slap but that might be too much to hope for in the context of this show. 😆

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

First of all, I loved that song! I had heard it I think when I was too young to really understand because the tune sounds familiar but not the lyrics.

@red: I completely agree with this and I had made a post a long time ago (will see if I can dig it up) about how these two extremes in his life are sort of manifest in the conflict between TTS and Babloo. Before he found out TTS' truth, he was literally straddling the line between these two and his job in life was to maintain the peace between them and to try to reconcile the two extremes. This is why I am accepting his devotion to Ganga now, he was her kid, walked her path. This is also why I feel he went so long without unemployment because whatever he did, he would be declaring allegiance to either his father or his brother and he couldn't afford to do either. This is why his statements about figuring out "Pintu Singh" meant so much to me.

But unfortunately, before he could really figure out what he was, he became Krishna's piyaji. And in the last few episodes he acted as that rather than as that, once again, rather than figuring out his own stance on things.

I think this is why he has that tendency to break and bend rules. He defines himself according to other people and has not formed his own identity, his own set of principles and his own ideals. As long as he is following someone else, he can't be held accountable and this is why it is so easy for him to bend the rules. He is indeed a valuable ally to someone like Krishna but until he finds out what he stands for it is impossible to judge if they are meant for each other or not.

I was also thinking, while we are on the subject of Pintu's behavioural patterns, that there have been two times that things haven't gone Pintu's way immediately when he has cost Krishna a great deal. Obviously there is now, and then there was the time he couldn't get a job immediately. He barged into Krishna's office and created a ruckus, that too in front of the pompous DC! As much as Krishna's dream means to him when he is lucid, he is equally out of control in that regard when he is not. That does not bode well for either of them or the future of this relationship.

As for your second point in bold. I agree. I think some junk food is needed in order to stop this from being a documentary and we all accept that but just like they did with the stranger danger, there should be follow ups for all the entertaining wrongdoings that happen. This show is definitely more responsible than most but Pintu's violence is definitely a subject that will be dealt with, I feel later on.

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Originally posted by: Surma

Nice discussion about Pintu ! I wish I could contribute to it but my brain get black out when I get to write and analyze human being and their characteristics !

Btw: the song was from Savage Garden , their second album which was released in 1991 ( not sure about year but most likely ) !

Darren Hayes was my first love 😭

Originally posted by: shridevigaddam

Surma!
😆 What was that ? What is that crying for ?

For not being able to write for brain having black-out ?

or that Darren Hayes was your first love ? What's wrong in that ?

And btw may I know who is your second love and third love in the same category 🤣