Arjun's ultimatum

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

I do agree with Trish that today's was a suffocating episode, but this was not so much because Purvi, pushed to the wall by Arjun's insistence on an immediate response from her, turned him down . One could have lived with that.

What was suffocating was the appalling rudeness, harshness and insensitivity she displays. When I was a young woman, I was taught that even if you have to refuse a proposal, you should do it gently and with grace, so that the other person does not feel humiliated. He should be let down softly. Purvi does the exact opposite. The impertinence with which she asks him how he could have ever developed such feelings towards her passes all bounds of decency, and I was glad that Arjun finally snapped at her and told her where she got off.

Purvi's behaviour in this episode was far worse than in the last one, and she does not deserve the constant excuses that we all make for her. I do not know what her "middle class upbringing" has to do with it either. Middle class people should be up in arms against such explanations

What she displays is a total lack of concern for the feelings of a person who has, once he changed his ways, always shown her special consideration. She carries on as though she was the Queen of Sheba getting rid of an importunate suitor, whereas the fact is that she is only a stupidly obstinate, emotionally stunted, lower middle class girl, and normally the likes of Arjun Kirloskar would never come pleading to her door.

If I was Arjun I would have told her to get lost and pushed off. Her good luck is that Arjun is so obsessed with her that he does not give up even in the face of such rudeness, but continues with his earlier strategy of putting her on the defensive and making her feel guilty. The phrases he uses "Tumhe mera chehra phir kabhi nahin dikahoonga" , " Bahut door chala jaoonga, kabhi wapas nahin aaoonga" are all very filmy and quite unlike his normal style. They are obviously meant to make her feel the seriousness of his threat to leave for Canada in 24 hours, and to reinforce this approach, when she starts lecturing him on the need to keep personal and professional matters apart, he cuts her off with his 24 hour ultimatum.

It is also significant that he does not, even in the face of her "final decision", close the door on her, but ends with the precap sentences, winding up with "Faisla kar lo". This is his last throw of dice, and if it does not work, he will not look back but will leave India.

And he will not get involved with Ovi either. The good thing about the ArVi track at this moment is that Arjun's character has been remarkably consistent till now. The only surprising thing is how far he stoops to win over this stupid girl who does not deserve him at all. For such a rich and successful young man, he seems to have no ego at all where she is concerned, which is quite remarkable. His face, when he seeks her decision at the beginning, is pathetic, and any girl with an iota of feeling would have responded to it with concern and sympathy, even if her answer was a No. But not our Purvi, who gets on a high horse and holds forth about what the chawl people would say and how she feels nothing for him. It is this that makes one think poorly of her. She needs a sound spanking to put some sense in her head.

Well, let us see whether we have the standard device of romantic fiction, the dash to the airport, though I doubt if Purvi would have the spirit for that. One is reminded of Audrey Hepburn's running after Gary Cooper's train in Love in the Afternoon, lugging a large cello to boot. At least Purvi will have no guitar or the like to carry along!

Arjun's put down of Punni was very neat; I was delighted with the dismissive sideways look he gives her. That was the saving grace of today's PR.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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Posted: 13 years ago

I just love arjun today he is in love .today I cry for arjun .it was so said its pains me to see him like this .please purvi don't do this to him.

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parameswaran

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Posted: 13 years ago

You did it again! Relished your take on the awesome twosome. Thanks

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Darlyne

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Posted: 13 years ago

Hi Shyamala, great analysis of Purvi's behavior. I am feeling same since she was accusing Arjun for a kiss on forehead. Since MMS fiasco Purvi's character is not likeable. As you said, I hope she get some sense very soon. Arjun did all the pleading now he has to be strong and not look back at her. She can go to him if she decides.

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Dabulls23

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Posted: 13 years ago

Oh Purvi has learned Passive-Aggressive behavior from The ultimate Queen Archana...

Although I thought Arjun reminded me of Fatal attraction for a second when he kept telling Purvi that she loves him back too..

Purvi should have handled everything properly post kiss on the forehead and MMS issue...But Naaah she had to get on the soap box.

Arjun is the next bakra in line of PR...Manav, Satish and now Arjun all are being treated like crap by the female species of PR..

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soapwatcher1

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Posted: 13 years ago

Lol, dabulls :) Bakras make good fodder for daily soaps!

Shyamala, Purvi's screeching yesterday in the night did irk me but made sense somewhat as she got carried away by the heat of the moment. She forgot for an instant of the mohalla that guards over her izzat.

Today, Purvi was not as bad in my perception, the guy needed to have gone home, he needed to have had some inkling of what she has been hounding into him - middle class izzat - and mohalla talk. Being parked outside in his posh car all night (noticed a dent on it by the way), will give way to unnecessary talk, talk that she can do without now, in light of the broken engagement and the MMS. Arjun declared himself passionately, sincerely and resolutely, he should have left then. Yes, I understand his emotions, and the romantic in me applauds him for having stayed there in the car and in the rain all night awaiting her answer, uncaring as to what the world thinks of him. He is so in love, he has blinders on, he has had them on since the first time he met her, unfortunately for him, he cannot see anything beyond her when she is around. But at the same time, girls are "supposed" to be shy and behave with decorum especially heroines of daily soaps, this is exactly what Purvi is doing. Poor girl, she is confused at his impudence, not daring to believe someone such as him could actually love her - remember her mantra of her being an orphan and middle class - this is what she is voicing when she asks him, " how could you have such feelings for me". She is going to be proved right, in accepting her suppressed feelings for Arjun, she is only going to throw open the gates of angst and anguish for herself - he is about to be engaged to her sister, he is the guy her sister idolizes, he is the guy that her Baba and Aai (now) want for Ovi, her aaji is going to hate this (can see Sulo saying things already about aukaad, etc), she will lose her new found friend, Tej; DK is going to be against this alliance (he told Ovi she was the best). All I can say is poor Purvi. Hope she has the strength to face all these obstacles and live up to Arjun's love.

Arjun is rash, daring, fool hardy and will face the entire universe if need be for Purvi. She has to just give him the word and he will shield and protect her against everyone and become her strength. At least, I hope so, the poor girl deserves her happiness as Arjun himself told her the night of his confession. Can she come to terms with the fact that she is deserving of this happiness? that is the question that Arjun is waiting to have answered, patiently on his part would have been nice, 24 hours is an ultimatum which might push Purvi over the edge. Over the edge into his arms, is what all us ARVI fans are rooting for!! 😃

Edited by soapwatcher1 - 13 years ago

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bee5

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Posted: 13 years ago

Arjun took 3 whole (calendar) months to realize he had in fact fallen in love and Purvi shouldn't get, forget two months, even 2 days?

1st of all, I wonder who instilled such thoughts about middle-class-girls and love in Purvi? But as she claims, she is more worried about her family's honor than love at-the-moment.

He tells her, she does have love for him and she is ignoring it. In that case, now that he has implanted the germ of love in her head, give time for the germ to act upon. Earlier when he was fighting with his thoughts and trying to get an answer as to why he ends up thinking about her all the time, there was no one to tell him, why. Now that he has told her or asked her to think in that direction, let her think and get back.

I had mentioned this earlier too, is her behavior towards him and his love (kiss) different because she was brought-up with no males around the house? But whatever the case, as per her thinking, love is something taboo and Arjun standing there insisting all the night and the not leaving the entire night, it has shocked her definitely. This is something new for her , very different from the protective environment she has been living in all these days. It looked like it was totally alien to her and hence her behavior for her characterization looked acceptable.

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I did feel bad for Arjun and a lot of times, something did tug at the heart, but it is only fair if Purvi also got some time to understand and realize. She was just too afraid. Even his behavior of insisting about love and camping the whole night outside her house was not something that she has seen before, and more so, from a young successful businessman from Canada.

Edited by bee5 - 13 years ago

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

I can quite see your points about Arjun's rashness, and the propriety concerns on Purvi's part, and as you would have seen from the opening para of my post, I would not question her right to reject his love.

What appalled me was the ill-bred way in which she goes about doing it. It was totally lacking in compassion and made me think very poorly of her. I cannot find it in me to make all the excuses for her that so many in this forum seem not to tire of making.

What on earth can she find to object to in Arjun? She does not know anything about her 'sister' Ovi at this stage, and Arjun is, if anything, super-eligible. If her mother had produced him out of a box, she would have nodded her head like a compliant sheep and accepted him without any question. So why such sound and fury now?

Ok, let us take it that for some reason she does not want to accept him. Surely this could have been conveyed to him quietly and gracefully, with dignity? She could have told him "Sir, I do not know anything about love - it is not the done thing in our (middle class) circles, and so I am sorry but I do not love you.I am honoured by what you have told me, but I simply cannot reciprocate. I would be most grateful if you could leave it at that."

Was it really necessary to say such hurtful things in a shrill tone and try to dress him down in public? She would have been well served if he HAD made a scene; it would not have bothered him at all, but it would have been very bad for her 'parivaar ki izzat'. She is taking undue advantage of the fact that he has an incredibly soft corner for her, and misses no opportunity to make him miserable.

We are here talking of the characters, of course, not the actors, and all characters have their defects and warts. One had to accept them as they are, and not try to whitewash them.

One of Purvi's defects is a tendency to bully those she can - Arjun now, and Vinay in the office just before she sees the MMS. No good administrator dresses a junior down in public in such harsh terms as she uses then; it must have made it all the sweeter for him when he is able to turn the tables completely with the MMS. Even earlier she says the kind of things to Arjun, her boss, that no superior will tolerate, no matter how much in the wrong he/she might be.

The other defect is a crashing inferiority complex that robs her of confidence in anything but her work, and her relations within her closed family circle.

It is not 'poor Purvi'; she can always take refuge in the much prized "self-sacrifice" when all the negatives you have listed so comprehensively make their appearance. She will do so gladly, upheld by a great sense of moral rectitude, exactly like Archana, who has no hesitation in making Manav miserable for the dubious gratification of pleasing her "son" Sachin. And she will go thru the rest of her life buoyed by this sense of self-worth, and will probably be ready to marry the next 'middle class' candidate her mother digs up.

It is poor Arjun who will really suffer, given his intense, all or nothing temperament. If he had really been the Casanova Purvi accuses him of being, he would have been as safe as houses. As it is, not only will he go through severe heartache thanks to Ms.Perfect, without being able to talk about it to anyone, but he is moving to cancel the engagement with Ovi, which will enrage everyone around him: DK, Manav, Ovi, Teju. Sachin. And he will not even have a good reason to offer, for there is no substitute for Ovi that he can produce and say "This is the girl I love and whom I am going to marry, and I am not asking you folks, I am telling you". He is going to look like the villain of the piece, and it is not going to be easy for him at all.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1
Lol, dabulls :) Bakras make good fodder for daily soaps!

Shyamala, Purvi's screeching yesterday in the night did irk me but made sense somewhat as she got carried away by the heat of the moment. She forgot for an instant of the mohalla that guards over her izzat.

Today, Purvi was not as bad in my perception, the guy needed to have gone home, he needed to have had some inkling of what she has been hounding into him - middle class izzat - and mohalla talk. Being parked outside in his posh car all night (noticed a dent on it by the way), will give way to unnecessary talk, talk that she can do without now, in light of the broken engagement and the MMS. Arjun declared himself passionately, sincerely and resolutely, he should have left then. Yes, I understand his emotions, and the romantic in me applauds him for having stayed there in the car and in the rain all night awaiting her answer, uncaring as to what the world thinks of him. He is so in love, he has blinders on, he has had them on since the first time he met her, unfortunately for him, he cannot see anything beyond her when she is around.

But at the same time, girls are "supposed" to be shy and behave with decorum especially heroines of daily soaps, this is exactly what Purvi is doing. Poor girl, she is confused at his impudence, not daring to believe someone such as him could actually love her - remember her mantra of her being an orphan and middle class - this is what she is voicing when she asks him, " how could you have such feelings for me". She is going to be proved right, in accepting her suppressed feelings for Arjun, she is only going to throw open the gates of angst and anguish for herself - he is about to be engaged to her sister, he is the guy her sister idolizes, he is the guy that her Baba and Aai (now) want for Ovi, her aaji is going to hate this (can see Sulo saying things already about aukaad, etc), she will lose her new found friend, Tej; DK is going to be against this alliance (he told Ovi she was the best). All I can say is poor Purvi. Hope she has the strength to face all these obstacles and live up to Arjun's love.

Arjun is rash, daring, foolhardy and will face the entire universe if need be for Purvi. She has to just give him the word and he will shield and protect her against everyone and become her strength. At least, I hope so, the poor girl deserves her happiness as Arjun himself told her the night of his confession. Can she come to terms with the fact that she is deserving of this happiness? that is the question that Arjun is waiting to have answered, patiently on his part would have been nice, 24 hours is an ultimatum which might push Purvi over the edge. Over the edge into his arms, is what all us ARVI fans are rooting for!! 😃

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

It is not a question of how much time you have or do not have. if Purvi had told him she needed more time to think it over, or even if she had very politely but firmly rejected his love, but with dignity and without trying to humiliate him (the way she says " Ab aap ja sakte hain" sounds as insulting as can be, like a queen dismissing a subject), he would have left and would not have talked of 24 hour deadlines.

As it is, he thinks, thanks to her shrill outpourings that seem to have no logic at all, that she is simply refusing to accept that she loves him. From this to a tight deadline that will force her to choose is but one step. By that time, he is tired and worn out with physical and emotional fatigue, and he hits back the only way he can think of, to silence her. And he does.

You say"She was just too afraid" and someone else offered "her circumstances" as an excuse. Why is she afraid and of what? As I have noted in another response, I can see nothing, at this point, that should make her afraid. All the negatives that will surge up once she and Arjun openly declare their love, are still in the future. Right now, she has no business behaving the way she does; if I had been her mother I would have been ashamed of her. And this has nothing to do with whether she accepts Arjun or not. Some people cannot see even Heaven on a plate when it is offered to them, but that is their problem!

Your point about her perhaps being inhibited as she has no experience of men in her household might be well taken - she is visibly awkward with even the mildest overtures from Vinay - except that she relates spontaneously and uninhibitedly to 'Manav Baba', and she has no problem in crying on Arjun's shoulder while he hugs her with both arms, not to speak of the way she takes him home from the hospital with a twisted ankle. It is not consistent behaviour at all, wouldn't you agree? .

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: bee5
Arjun took 3 whole (calendar) months to realize he had in fact fallen in love and Purvi shouldn't get, forget two months, even 2 days?

1st of all, I wonder who instilled such thoughts about middle-class-girls and love in Purvi? But as she claims, she is more worried about her family's honor than love at-the-moment.

He tells her, she does have love for him and she is ignoring it. In that case, now that he has implanted the germ of love in her head, give time for the germ to act upon. Earlier when he was fighting with his thoughts and trying to get an answer as to why he ends up thinking about her all the time, there was no one to tell him, why. Now that he has told her or asked her to think in that direction, let her think and get back.

I had mentioned this earlier too, is her behavior towards him and his love (kiss) different because she was brought-up with no males around the house? But whatever the case, as per her thinking, love is something taboo and Arjun standing there insisting all the night and the not leaving the entire night, it has shocked her definitely. This is something new for her , very different from the protective environment she has been living in all these days. It looked like it was totally alien to her and hence her behavior for her characterization looked acceptable.

Edit:
I did feel bad for Arjun and a lot of times, something did tug at the heart, but it is only fair if Purvi also got some time to understand and realize. She was just too afraid. Even his behavior of insisting about love and camping the whole night outside her house was not something that she has seen before, and more so, from a young successful businessman from Canada.

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Lady_Impala

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Great post once again, and I really enjoyed the argument that was put forward in defence of both Arjun and Purvi.
The only thing I am waiting for at the moment is when and if Purvi does realise her love for Arjun, What will she do next. Because there is immediate fact tht she will be told of the fact that OVi is about to get engged to Arjun( obviously by her Archana). What I would like to see for a change is how this two(Arjun and Purvi) fight against all odds to be together. What I don't understand is why people are hellbent on accepting the truth, that because DK has talked to Manav about the engagement and the fact that Archana knows about it, this engagemnt will go forward. Arjun will be the ultimate person to decide whether or not his love story will be a happy one. For all I know, irrepsective of what Purvi's answer, he will tell his father, Ovi and all people concerned that he doesn't wish to go ahead with the engagement because he is in love with someone else (he might tell who) because he told Purvi, unless she tells him she loves him, she has no rights to tell him what to do and what not to do.

At the end of the day, I don't really care about anything else, I am just, like all ArVians am rooting for Arjun-Purvi to find a happy ending. Given that it won't be easy, and will take time, but I just hope that by te time these two get their happy ending with each other, they have not gone thorugh a series of marriages and divorces. Cos that is jkust unacceptable.

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