Jogia vs Gouri - who deserve FORGIVENESS

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Posted: 13 years ago
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i m a firm believer tht every human being does mistakes, sometime big, sometime small. i m also firm believer tht whn we discuss a serial character, we sd discuss on the basis of wht hs been shown and not wht sd be shown. so all my point in this thread will be only on the base of SERIAL STORY AND NOT REAL STORY😉😉

now lets see, Jogia was the main culprit from the start. he cheated Anandi, he cheated Gouri😡 he was a big manipulator who always justify his act by manipulating the situation, like he justified his adultery, portraying himself as child marriage victim. he betrayed his family, he betrayed every relation. but since he married to Gouri and Gouri KNOWINGLY entered in this mess, we cant blame him anymore for cheating atleast to Gouri. he left his family for her and he was firm in his decision. its Only Gouri pushed him towards his family with her Ashirwaad mission and after tht everytime bringing his family between their relationship and blaming thm for everything. Now if Jogia is feeling for his family (which is quite natural for any person, who hs a sense of responsibility towards his family, which Jogia hd lost earlier but now realising), thn its only due to Gouri.

Jogia is getting wht he deserve. for cheating Anandi, he lost his family. for adultery, he got Gawari madam type illegal wife, wo hs made his life hell😆😆 he hs lost his child, he is in receiving end for the fualt, which is not besically his. he is suffering from self guilty. he is trying hard to correct his mistakes in both front. he is doing everything for his family, even bearing all humiliation and not demanding anything from thm, but just doing prayashchit. he saved Anandi, but didnt demand and expect anything for this. he came to jetsar staking his career for the sake of BM. he did everything but never showed tht he is doing any ahsan for thm. just silently and patiently waiting (the rit way to patch up with angry family). with Gouri too, he hs not cheated her after marriage. if there hs been shown some emotion for Anandi, thn may be again just his guilt feeling for her and feeling tht he is responsible for her all trouble. he never tried to seduce her. (some eyelock scenes may be just overdose to make people interested, by CVs). if he was calling Anandi secretly, becoz he knew tht Gawari madam is not the person who can understand anything. so just to avoid more tention in their already tensed life. still i m not saying tht he hs become a perfect person and he sd be forgiven for everything. but atleast now he is not adding any other mistakes. he realised his fualt for everything. his dialogue was very touchy tht he cd not make happy anyone. I always appreciate people who realise their fualt and try to do prayashchit. as till now wht hs been shown, he is doing same (i dont know wht will be shown later). i m not saying tht everyone sd just go gaga for him and Gale lagaofying. but atleast he is not giving any more reason to hate him further. atleast we can adopt a neutral stance for him, neither praise nor denounce.

On the other hand Gouri, who even after doing so much mistakes and making her and others life hell, still continuing blaming others. she hs still not realised her own mistakes, even after suffering so much. if a person dosnt realise, he can never improve. to improve urself, u must know ur mistakes. but Gouri madam feel tht she is the perfect person and whole world is full of fualts. thn we cant even expect from her any improvement. if tomorrow it will be shown tht after her miscarriage, she realised her mistakes and trying to correct it, i will praise her too and stop my de danadan for her.to accept ur mistakes, a person sd hv guts, and till now Gouri dosnt hv it. i know she will start blaming everyone, but herself and this is the things, which make me hate her.

I hate people who never realise their fualts and only play blame game. only on this basis i feel Jogia deserve forgiveness but Gouri still hv to work for it. i know some Faminst will start turning the topics to other direction, but i want to clarify my point tht, its only based on the recent developments. i dont minimizing Jogia fualt nor justifying him. i just want to say tht he cd be forgiven as he is going in rit direction. i m also dead against tht he sd go back to Anandi and all Family sd go gaga for him. i believe tht the mistake, which he hs done, he sd live with it. If Singh family cant accept him thn atleast they sd be neutral for him. But yes for Gouri i cant say the same as, i think she will continue doing mistake and if Jogia will loose his patience, thn she will be responsible herself.

one last thing, Jogia was and will be never my favourite character. i just judging him absolutely as neutral person, who dosnt matter for me.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Again a fab topic !

I am really surprised with jag's recent behavior, seems like he is really regretting. And more importantly I found it is a very convincing one. he did many things before, rescued anandi, his pain and care for family were shown many time. But I felt those are just coz he is not getting the importance ,so he was showing his over flowing concern I felt which is very much fake. I thought he never cares for anyone.

But now things seems different, he sticks to his decision and , really wants to make gauri happy,wants a new start.

And I will be very happy if those changes will be shown in gauri too. Miscarriage is a big loss to them. If things will be shown in a complete opposite way . I wont feel it is a strange thing. dont ever play the blame game and move on in life!

Live and let the ppl live.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Great topic Ankit, I was also thinking about the same things. Everybody makes mistakes in life, but the greatest growth of human character comes when we realize our mistakes and become better human beings. Don't we feel ashamed and laugh at ourselves when we look back at the mistakes of our past?
But for Gauri, the growth is stunted, since she believes she can do no mistake. And her parents are pushing her to this doom, because they support Gauri in all her wrongdoings instead of showing her the right path.



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Posted: 13 years ago
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I can see how jagya is taking steps in the right direction, however, for me that is just a total crock.
He is regretting things he has done because of the impact on HIS life, not because of the impact he had on others. And true guilt is recognizing what he has done to others and how he has hurt them.
Not "I am sorry because you dont want to talk to me and that makes me feel bad"
True guilt would be "I am sorry because you dont want to talk to me and I am sorry that I didnt care enough for your feelings and my actions made you feel bad"
For me the way he manifests his guilt is yet one more sign of selfishness.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Also, to characterize Jagya's actions as 'mistakes' is being too kind on him.
Mistakes are things that happen as accidents or unintentional oversights.
What he has done on many fronts and continues to do (despite the occassional nice gesture here or there) cannot be called mistakes. They are INTENTIONAL SCREW JOBS.
Mistakes are not characterised by malicious intent... the intention behind them is innocent and often times, something mis-fires which we cannot foresee.
Jagya did a lot of things characterized by malicious intent... he knew that the things he did would be hurtful to certain people...and he had foresight to know exactly what the intentions and consequences would be but he still does them. ...albeit on a lesser scale.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Tinoo. i m not saying tht he hs become saint and absolutely selfless. no one can be absolute selfless. if selfishness not hurt other, its acceptable. if his realisation, even due to his own suffering, hs selfishness element, thn its not hurting anyone. generally people realise their mistake, whn they receive jolt for thmselves. its very rarething whn people realise, becoz others r suffering. such peopler just great and Jogia hs not still achieve such greatness. but even realising his fualt after suffering is appreciable for me. the best thing is he is not demanding anything in return of his realisation. he just want a chance to do prayashchit. for me its good thing and i appreciate it. i dont expect tht everybody must hv such view.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Its completely true that these two characters stoop very low. Turned complete inhuman ...
But the recent accident is also a big blow to both of them...
Its a fair chance for both of these character for reforming... Though they have to go a long way to prove ...
Its just a tiny ray of hope... Which is not OTT i feel ... atleast for me being a hardcore jg criticizer ... Never though there will be any chance for them to back to normal (human)
so just a dare for me think that ... A chance to reform but they have a lot to prove...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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jagya partial forgivness deserve karta hai kyonki use apni galti ka poori tarah ehsaas nahi hua hai.aur gauri philhal to woh 1% bhi forgiveness bhi deserve nahi karti
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Posted: 13 years ago
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That's true tinoo, but I would still say having some realization of one's own flaw and knowing that one is not always right is a better state of repentance than dangerously believing one can NEVER be wrong.

Agreed it's too early to forgive Jaggu---his act of repentance is too miniscule compared to what he has done. But I guess her realizes what hurt his actions cause others---hence his apology to Anandi, his apology to his family for his and Gauri's misdemeanor and his drunken realization that he cannot keep anyone happy. He knows he is not perfect, whether out of his own miseries or the miseries of others.

But the problem with Gauri is she thinks she is perfect and that she is ever always right. She does not see what havoc she wrecks on other's lives---hence her complete cluelessness after BM's collapse: "maine kiya kya hai?"---nor does she see herself responsible for her own mess, and hence blames Anandi for everything.



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Posted: 13 years ago
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Fantastic post Ankit agree with every word you've written.. 👍🏼

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