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Granny Weatherwax

@Omnipotent_Taco

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Posted: 14 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: return_to_hades
I have a craptastic bad joke about Sachin's failures to get a hundred 100's - He stands with the 99%.

Actually, I like the idea of Gambhir leading tests. I think Gambhir could captain tests and Ashwin be VC.

Who would be our wicket keeper after Dhoni? Is Patel up to the task? As a Mumbai Indians fan I really want to see Ambati Rayudu in the international team.

Ashwin as VC? Oye, Team India mein bumboo lagane ka hai kya? Ashwin is still a relative facchad even though I like the guy for his calm demeanour, but then again he has captained Tamil Nadu on a domestic level. Perhaps he'd be given a dekko in the long term.

Oh, I love Ambati Rayudu, and I still don't get why he's hardly picked even as a back up option for the team in the shorter formats. Speaking of MI, have you been keeping up with the IPL news? We now have the likes of Gibbs, Pragyan Ojha, Mitchell Johnson, and Dinesh Karthik not to mention several uncapped players. I like how MI always makes it a point to give newbies a chance every season.

BTW I think Karthik would make for a decent wicketkeeper. He's better than Parthiv Mickey Mouse Patel behind the stumps, but Mousey has the edge with the bat and is also preferred by the selectors.

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Originally posted by: Summer3
Shane Warne ' Who Says You Need To Be In Shape to Play Cricket?

Just cricket, eh Warney? ;)

But there have been so many fat cricketers in history who've become legends in their own right: Merve Hughes, Graham Gooch, Inzy, David Boon, cricket's own grandpa W.G. Grace, etc. So what if they couldn't run to save their lives? They more than made up for it with their other tailunts.

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Believe

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Posted: 14 years ago

#12

Dhoni no doubt is the Best Captain, but he should not come out open against the seniors, and the seniors like Tendulkar should understand his capacity, and should not wait till 99 years to retire. Tendulkar should give a chance to other youngsters like him who joined the Indian Team at 19 years and after retirement he should play a New role in BCCI & ICC in order to develop the cricket at next level...

I think only Cricket fan's suffer cos of these bad policies and politics... I think that Indian cricket should stop doing quick fixes and starts fixing the system from the grass root level which will provide us quality cricket players for generations to come...😊

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Granny Weatherwax

@Omnipotent_Taco

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Posted: 14 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: dr_death999
Gambhir hasnt had a test century for more than a year. What puts him ahead of Kohli?

-Aggresiveness : Yup Gambhir is aggressive than Dhoni. But he aint as aggressive as Virat Kohli.

-So Kohli cant be Test captain as he has not played in every condition around the globe. What has Gambhir done by playing in Aus, Eng, SA or WI ? At 30, will he be going to the next tours of Eng and Aus in 4 years time? Ind play test cricket for the next 2 years at home. Best time to give experience to a young captain. Plus,Kohli has travelled in Aus with the Senior and Ind A teams. Has played and performed with the A teams in Eng and SA. Plus, he doesnt poke his bat at every ball outside the off stump even with 4 slips and 2 gullies waiting to catch it. Can brag about scoring a hundred and a 75 in Aus when others failed. At 23, is a given captain for atleast the next 2 WC's.

- He is a natural born leader. Has lead RCB and Indian under XIX to success.

- The only hurdle I can think would be the fact that he hasnt played enough cricket. So perhaps the big fish of Indian cricket would not respond to him that well. So what? If these players are going to put their egos in the middle of the future of cricket in the country then they can go.

If we are to look at everybody's stats and consistency over the past few years as a yardstick for captaincy, then we can safely adjudge that nobody in the Indian team is deserving of the captain's spot, including Kohli and even Dhoni himself. I find it too much of an ask to appoint someone as captain solely on the basis of 'form'. Form is not an indicator of leadership qualities, and there have been several successful captains (Fleming, Smith, Strauss) who've made better leaders than players.

Even then, Gambhir is a better player than Kohli in Tests. I'm not taking away from Kohli's Adelaide performance, but all his ODI tons thus far have been scored in our backyard- so no. At least Gauti has shown his mettle on intl. grounds, and who can forget that awesome '08-'09 season he had against the likes of England and Oz?

Granted that no one in our team, barring Zak, has had any extensive experience playing for a county side. But if I were to pick a skipper, I'd rather opt for someone who already has some experience captaining a team against A-rung oppositions. Leading an IPL and U-19 team is a totally different ball game than captaining an A side against England and Australia, and I wouldn't be comfortable with Kohli doing that just yet. Gautam did a pretty good job against NZ and WI, even though one can argue that those teams aren't formidable as the likes of SA, England, and Oz.

Kohli is aggressive, but the dude has too much of a tude at times and needs to behave even if the crowds act like a bunch of hooligans. The last thing we need is a captain who gets affected by all the booing and cussing by fans abroad. At least Gambo channels his aggression towards the opposition and makes them STFU when they need to.

Virat is indeed a candidate for the skipper's role, but it's too early despite the fact that we'll be playing Tests at home for the next 2 years (the BCCI just never learns, do they?). He has a lot of brushing up to do, and I think he'd do well starting off as a VC instead in due course rather than being made captain now.

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souro

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Posted: 14 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: Omnipotent_Taco

But there have been so many fat cricketers in history who've become legends in their own right: Merve Hughes, Graham Gooch, Inzy, David Boon, cricket's own grandpa W.G. Grace, etc. So what if they couldn't run to save their lives? They more than made up for it with their other tailunts.

You forgot Ranatunga - the guy who always strolled and never ran.
But they are all from the pre-2000 era.

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TheUltimate

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Posted: 14 years ago

#15

Sachin should step down in grace. He is the best and will remain the best. Hundred 100 for what? 100 is just a man-made magical number giving psychological satisfaction of reaching some kind of destination. Anyway, for any batsman, it will be very tough to break Sachin's 99 century record. And if a batsman does that, then it will not be tough for him to score one more century. If Sachin still had energy (not the talent) to score 50 more centuries, I would say by all means, continue playing and ignore the critics.

Regarding fast bowlers, historically Indians are not good at playing fast bowlers as evident in their latest outing in Australia. Also, we have not produced any world-class fast bowler. No, Kapil Dev was not world-class. Our strength has always been batting. We should stick to our strength and make it stronger.

By the way, who is fat in the Indian team?

And lastly, a great captain needs to have a great leadership quality. He does not have to be the best player in the team.

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souro

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Posted: 14 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: dr_death999
Graeme Smith was inexperienced as well. Stephen Fleming is another one. When the selectors meet next and decide the test team for the next series (based on performances, not biased as usual) whose name would they pen down first - Kohli's. The guy captained the under XIX team to glory. So he knows how to captain a side. Is the most confident cricketer in the Indian team right now.

Its time Indian cricket moved ahead with a young captain. A captain that would not be ashamed to show the middle finger when required. Perhaps not the finger but would atleast be in good shape when he sways his shirt around. It would be a massive gamble. But Kohli is a confident young chap and I'm damn certain he would take Ind to more glory.

Kumble captained after 120 tests or so. What does it prove? Nothing.
It might have worked for RSA & NZ but that doesn't mean it would work for the current Indian team as well. The teams are completely different, the times are different and are not at all comparable.
Having a young captain doesn't mean one should overlook other more deserving players. Kohli has played only 8 tests and until the last 2 tests his performance was quite poor. If he was about 20 tests old with consistent good perfomance, it'd have been different. But if he is chosen captain with an experience of only 8 tests with sub-par performance it'd be a huge injustice to those players who have played more and better than him.

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Cotillion

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Posted: 14 years ago

#17

I haven't watched cricket for years, doesn't find it exciting anymore. It is hard to believe that indian still cann't score on fast and bouncy pitchs.

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souro

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Posted: 14 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: dr_death999
^^^ Sorry, but which player who has played better than him at some point is a possible candidate?
Lets stroll down the test team-

* Gambhir: Only logical option. BUT hasnt played decently for over 15 months now. With His place in the Indian team in major doubt who would make him the captain? Like I said before at 30, he would deffo not be going to next Eng, Aus or NZ tours. If you wanna make captain for matches in India then this oppurtunity should be taken to nurture a Captain for the future.

* Sehwag : Oh well. What has Virender Sehwag done in tests abroad since 2006? Plus, his childish behaviour in the ongoing CB series is shameful. Just like Gambhir, Sehwag probably has 2 decent years left in him a time which Ind play all its matches on home soil.

* Sachin, Dravid, Laxman : 39,39 & 37 'nuff said.

* Zaheer: Wouldnt play 90% matches because of his injury prone body. Age a massive factor again.

*Harbhajan: Out of the test squad. Period.

* Yuvraj: Should be back soon but has NEVER established himself in the Test arena.

* Ishant: 5 wickets in 4 tests against Aus. What should I say?

* Raina, Rohit, Rahane: One cant play a short ball to save his life. Others have'nt even made his debut.

* R Ashwin: Woeful Test series against Aus. If Kohli cant be made captain Ashwin doesnt stand a chance.

Hopefully I have'nt missed someone.

Players like Sehwag, Gambhir and Dhoni have played considerable no. of matches. Currently whether their form is good or not so good, atleast they have a track record which shows that they are proven performers. And there is every chance of them bouncing back. Moreover, their style of captaincy and how much they are capable of as a leader are also more or less known.
Kohli is a blank sheet. You can't compare a blank sheet with another which may have got 3 out of 10 questions wrong but atleast have got several right as well. Currently Kohli is at zero and so your (and everybody else's) knowledge about him is zero as well. All that you are saying about him are nothing but assumptions cos you have no track record to back it up.
And lets see what all you are assuming.
1. That he will be a permanent member in the Indian Test team even 5 years down the line. Cos according to your own words those who don't cement their place in the team shouldn't be the captain (refer to the point you made regarding Yuvraj)
2. That he will perform consistently for considerable no. of years (refer to the points you made regarding Gambhir and Sehwag)
3. That he will perform equally well and of course consistently in overseas condition (refer to the point you made regarding Sehwag)
4. That he will never behave childishly (refer to the point about Sehwag once again)
Ohh wait, Kohli already has, infact in this very series. I guess fans suffer from selective short term amnesia.
5. That he won't get injured (refer to the point made about Zaheer)
6. That he will perform in every series (refer to the point regarding Ishant, and please note Kohli hasn't performed well in either of the two series he has played so far)
7. And of course the biggest assumption of them all is that he is good at captaining a team in international test matches.

You can't place a novice at the top and hope that everything goes right (i.e. all of your assumptions becomes a reality). First Kohli will need to prove himself that he is suitable for Test cricket and will play for a long period to come, next he needs to be groomed for leadership and only then should he be made the captain.

Edited by souro - 14 years ago

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Believe

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Posted: 14 years ago

#19

Again...Sachin selected, shewag dropped from Asia cup squad ... Sachin is given chance to hit his 100th ton against Bangladesh😛

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Mithu Hiranand

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Posted: 14 years ago

#20

Absolutely right. And he will continue to be selected again and again. and if...and if he gets his 100th century...maybe there is too much of demand for him getting Padma(...)award. What a shame. i think it is high time for him to come forward "AND RETIRE IMMEDIETELY".

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