Snubbing Kunal - Was Siddhi right?

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norzar

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Posted: 13 years ago

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sinal's fight in the first scene actually lead to what happened at the breakfast table.

kunal accused siddhi for leaking the div info, yes it was her fault that she didint tell kunal in advance before the court hearing etc but another fact which kunal doenst accept is that he himself did no preparation for the case, infact he under estimated thakral. both are at fault yet he decides to blame only siddhi.yes he was hurt siddhi hid things from him but it was uncalled for him to actually accuse her of taking revenge from him and brought up the c night, topic.. if he really thinks siddhi loves anand and is anand's love he shouldnt have brought the topic of c night up, bec he always said he is guilty about what had happened.

siddhi ignoring kunal on the breakfast table i can understand and

in a way its good that siddhi too doesnt have to pretend infront of the chopra's. afterall all know the status of sinal's marriage. kunal going away without eating proved he was highly affected by siddhi's behaviour. seema was there to serve kunal but he choose not to eat.

i am actually glad that atleast at home sinal dont have to pretend anymore that they are an ideal couple, they have been doing that for so long for everyones happiness, now they can behave the way they want to behave and chopras will not question them.

kunal too came home drunk last week and yelling at everyone on the div fact. so its working both ways, i am not saying its right but that is the approach both sinal are using not just one of them,

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Kshiti

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Posted: 13 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: annie_mckinnen
Kshiti, it is all very well to wonder if Siddhi was right or wrong. But I think that is pointless. Because this relationship has gone way beyond
right and wrong. Both the people involved are (being shown to be) swayed completely by their emotions and the stress of the situation. Neither is thinking straight - and this is understandable. Too many pulling and pushing forces. But yes, I don't blame Siddhi for snubbing Kunal. I can understand her behaviour. I agree that I would also personally never snub my husband, even if it is in front of his own family. But their dirty linen is already out isn't it? And Kunal made sure he rinsed it in front of everyone when he got drunk and screamed. So why should Siddhi be the one pretending? Especially after the way he treated her. Because there is NEVER EVER any justification for the kind of anger he displayed to her. There can be guilt afterwards and your loved ones can forgive you, but that DOESN'T make it right. I know - because I can be a very angry person and my husband often refuses to carry on a discussion with me when I start screaming and get irrational. What gives me the right to insult people in a fit of anger?
Why should he subject himself to the humiliation of listening to me insult him?

And why indeed should Siddhi? He has forgotten that before he started kissing her that night, she told him not once but twice "How can I forget
what I heard and saw?" If he has conveniently chosen to forget some of the details of that night, is it her fault? Does she need to remind him of
everything? It is after all his case as he rudely pointed out to her multiple times and he doesn't need her help, so how come he didn't prepare for this and is now blaming her? Why should she even dignify any of his statements if after all they have been through he cannot trust her. Because they crossed the trust barrier a long time ago and he claimed that he had full faith in her. Trust is not dependent on what people say or do. It is implicit, as Siddhi had once said - "Saare sabuton aur gawahon se bhi badi koi cheez hoti hai aur woh hai vishwas." - and Kunal had claimed to understand. If there is no trust anymore in their relationship, then why should Siddhi even try to talk to this man? There can be misunderstandings about people's feelings for each other but about their basic character and honesty? No, I'm not buying that. I completely support her silence and her final "Bas." If Siddhi argues with him as we all wanted what is the guarantee that he will believe her. Why should she waste her breath with him when all he really wants to do is vent?

As you can see I am really upset with Kunal's initial behaviour. But then there is the pondering Kunal, the one who is constantly critiquing his
own behaviour and when he realizes he is wrong, he tries to rectify the situation. That is the Kunal I love. Because he is real. He is as we all
are - a flawed human being. He tries his best and he often fails. That doesn't mean we should feel sorry for him and give him a break. Because life doesn't always give you a break. You have to keep trying on your own. You have to fix the things you can and if you can't you have to still move on. He is trying and that is why I love his character so much. He is multi-dimensional. Siddhi is comparatively simpler. It is easier to love or hate her. But with Kunal it is always complicated!

Annie.

Nicely put. for me Siddhi lost her brownie points when she met Richa every single time Kunal asked her not to and that dragged them further down.

And per Kunal's point, she should have atleast come clean about it.

had she told Kunal about Richa betting on getting him in bed in 24 hours, he would have sensed the trouble and wouldnt have gone to the party. Or if he did, he would have been careful.

Had she not gone to meet Richa the other night to challenge her, Kunal had someone else to suspect and blame for the leaked news of their divorce.

and Kunal was not the one who talked in front of the family about Divorce. They got to know in the court so yeah the laundry was hung outside all along, he just doused those with some more water thats all 😆

and i understand Siddhi's dignity but Kunal has already taken a big hit to his dignity and self respect. Its a different thing when your husband questions you for things you have done or hidden and when he is being flashed on the news as a rapist.

The blow to Kunal's character is huge. he is a wounded tiger and now he has been restrained to lick his own wounds as well, he is bound to go bad.

I wish Siddhi opened her mouth and maintained her dignity at the right time.

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Kshiti

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Posted: 13 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: norzar
hi

siddhi ignoring kunal on the breakfast table i can understand and
in a way its good that siddhi too doesnt have to pretend infront of the chopra's. afterall all know the status of sinal's marriage. kunal going away without eating proved he was highly affected by siddhi's behaviour. seema was there to serve kunal but he choose not to eat.

Norzar,

They have not been pretending to love each other or care for each other for past few days. They have been genuinely caring and when she decided to snub Kunal, that care was missing. No matter how angry you are with the person you love but their well being is always your first priority. So that snubbing meant she in actually did not care. So why would Kunal be wrong to think that she has no feelings. So when she did not need to pretend, she stopped caring. It will be interpreted that way.
had Siddhi been caring even then, that would have shown Kunal that she REALLY cared, as a wife and not because they were forced to spend their lives together. When someone does something wrong, either you can be angry and pass a In-your-face comment to make them realise OR you can do the SAME THING correctly to make them realize it on their own. I would have been gladder if Siddhi had chosen the latter.

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Alu-

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Posted: 13 years ago

#14

I don't think anything was wrong in it
I mean you can say that he may think she hates him after that night
But it may make him realize how life without her is impossible

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Padmini

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Posted: 13 years ago

#15

I don't think what sidhi did was wrong, may be yes the timing was wrong because as someone pointed out Kunal would assume that she was caring till the truth of their divorce came out , and now when it is out she is no more the care and loving wife she used to be but the point is she was taking care of him even when the family members were not around, no one in the family knew she had arranged money for Raveena's wedding and not Kunal, she was the one who took care of him in the passed out state even after the family members came to know about the truthmany a times she has done things for him when no one in the family was there to see or observe so logically he should not be thinking on those lines but since he is the " Kunal chopra" he can interpret anything and assume things
there is a limit to how much she can tolerate this sarfira , and in ME , when he was so rudely talking to her, venting out all his anger on her, making fun of the most beautiful moment of her life, that was crossing all the limits,any woman who has some self respect would have blasted him.she just pushed him , i felt like slapping him that time.

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chitsss

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Posted: 13 years ago

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I dont see any issue with it,I mean how could it get any worse ?They have probably all the MU's piled up,I think the only thing left is for Kunal to accuse Siddhi of delibrately trying to sabotage his chances of winning the case and yea Siddhi to remain mum then too.Well what can we expect from these sarphira couple??.

She is right in her part if she snubs him,she isn't doing it out of anger ,he keeps telling her 'I dont need your help' again and again so if you look at it she is just following his instructions.And please he did not have to bring up C-nite and say she was taking revenge ,I dunno where he dreams up such stuff,good Siddhi shoved him.But his anger is justified at her for not telling him about visiting the hotel that night,she should have thought that through.About the whole Ritcha getting to know about divorce,why would Siddhi tell her?I didn like that Kunal thinks Siddhi told, all this bcoz Thakral called him up and told him first.Siddhi did try telling him even though it was a pretty feeble attempt.

And I am not sure how much Kunal would have understood if Siddhi did tell him then about Ritcha!!! Remember 'Ritcha mam se Ritcha kab ban gayee' question,I didn't like his tone one bit,if it was me instead of Siddhi probably I would have kept mum too, b'coz honestly I would have no clue as to what he was thinking about Ritcha,he goes out of his way to help Ritcha all the time, I understand the hesitation at Siddhi's end then, but after Ritcha filed the case she should have told.

I am pretty sure when Kunal comes to know he is going to scream again at Siddhi.

I am not sure if Siddhi fighting the case is going to resolve MU's, it could lead to more bcoz we all know how touchy Kunal is when it comes down to his lawyering skills, remember 'Koi maa ka laal ' dialogue.

But looking at the state Kunal's state , what he is doing makes complete sense, what he said about Ritcha doing this to him,the female who said she can't live without him did this to him,he is in a pretty vulnerable state now.

So I guess the circumstances ought to be blamed for this mess.But then life is like this.

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norzar

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: Kshiti_Kunal

Norzar,

They have not been pretending to love each other or care for each other for past few days. They have been genuinely caring and when she decided to snub Kunal, that care was missing. No matter how angry you are with the person you love but their well being is always your first priority. So that snubbing meant she in actually did not care. So why would Kunal be wrong to think that she has no feelings. So when she did not need to pretend, she stopped caring. It will be interpreted that way.
had Siddhi been caring even then, that would have shown Kunal that she REALLY cared, as a wife and not because they were forced to spend their lives together. When someone does something wrong, either you can be angry and pass a In-your-face comment to make them realise OR you can do the SAME THING correctly to make them realize it on their own. I would have been gladder if Siddhi had chosen the latter.

true sinal have been caring for each other for a long time now, but no one else other that sinal and seema knew that they was tension brewing in they marriage. for the family they were a happily married couple till the time the div news came out, after that kunal came home drunk and vented out his pain and frustration and said siddhi and him arent happy in the marriage.

Kunal has told siddhi more than once that he doesnt need her help, even at the table even though she directly diidnt give kunal the paratha and tea, but she gave it to seema to give it to kunal and seema gave it kunal. hasnt kunal so many times in the past asked seema to give him tea even when siddhi was there?

problem with sinal is that they dont think from each others pov, siddhi probably doesnt even think that kunal needs her , bec he keeps on telling her the same

if siddhi was really angry at kunal i doubt we would have seen her hurt face when she saw kunal go back in the room without eating.

and i feel its unfair to always expect siddhi to bow down and be there for kunal even when she isnt even valued or appreciated.

norzar

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Padmini

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Posted: 13 years ago

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@chitsss..i completely agree, he has always gone out of the way to help richa..

Friendship after marriage that too with Ex has a limit, a "seema rekha" and I have always felt that he has crossed those limits many times be it Richa's real or fake accident, Be it when Richa came to Chopra's house during pagfere..I just hated it when he called Richa "aaee" the way he calls Sidhi..(no difference between a friend and a wife)
honestly most of the time it has come across to me to at least ,as he is treating both of them at same level and frankly giving more importance to Richa than to sidhi.Most of the time I really doubt if he actually loves Sidhi?
As Thankral rightly said , that his wife is not well and he is going to friends party, though Sidhi was well , she did say that i am feeling scared so don't go, please don't go but he gave priority to richa which has landed him in this mess.
If I am correct at least in 2-3 occassions Sidhi has been shown to be thinking that He only cares for Richa , even after the pregnancy drama, when she thinks about confessing her love, Richa calls him and then he starts thinking what happened to richa , why is she calling now, instead of concentarting on what Sidhi wants to say..and then she thinks," mujhe sirf inki fikar hain aur inhein sirf Richa ki" main sirf inke baarein mein sochti hoon aur ye sirf Richa ke baare mein"

so richa thinking Kunal still loves her and sidhi thinking he only cares for Richa are justified , the way he behaves anyone would have thought in those lines. Hie gesutes and his over goody attitude towards Richa have always given wrong signals to both Richa and to Sidhi.

Sidhi was right in not telling him about richa's plans because he wouldn't have believed her, just shouted and blamed her . so if I were in her place , i would have done the same thing.

yes later may be when Kunal was getting ready to fight the case , she should have told him about Richa's plan and intentions which would have helped him in the case
But I think she is too scared of him to talk to him openly and discuss issues with him.
even in the Me, while asking him to sign those papers she was so nervous, and scared.
after all this he says Richa par bharosa phele hi uthgaya tha..if he did not trust her , why did he believe what ever she said , whatever she did so blindly.

actually it is really Sidhi's greatness that after all this , she still loves him madly and trusts him blindly
it is high time he shoukd realize this and if he is not then Sidhi is on the right track in making him realize his foolishness.

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norzar

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: d.padmini
@chitsss..i completely agree, he has always gone out of the way to help richa..

Friendship after marriage that too with Ex has a limit, a "seema rekha" and I have always felt that he has crossed those limits many times be it Richa's real or fake accident, Be it when Richa came to Chopra's house during pagfere..I just hated it when he called Richa "aaee" the way he calls Sidhi..(no difference between a friend and a wife)
honestly most of the time it has come across to me to at least ,as he is treating both of them at same level and frankly giving more importance to Richa than to sidhi.Most of the time I really doubt if he actually loves Sidhi?
As Thankral rightly said , that his wife is not well and he is going to friends party, though Sidhi was well , she did say that i am feeling scared so don't go, please don't go but he gave priority to richa which has landed him in this mess.
If I am correct at least in 2-3 occassions Sidhi has been shown to be thinking that He only cares for Richa , even after the pregnancy drama, when she thinks about confessing her love, Richa calls him and then he starts thinking what happened to richa , why is she calling now, instead of concentarting on what Sidhi wants to say..and then she thinks," mujhe sirf inki fikar hain aur inhein sirf Richa ki" main sirf inke baarein mein sochti hoon aur ye sirf Richa ke baare mein"

so richa thinking Kunal still loves her and sidhi thinking he only cares for Richa are justified , the way he behaves anyone would have thought in those lines. Hie gesutes and his over goody attitude towards Richa have always given wrong signals to both Richa and to Sidhi.

Sidhi was right in not telling him about richa's plans because he wouldn't have believed her, just shouted and blamed her . so if I were in her place , i would have done the same thing.

yes later may be when Kunal was getting ready to fight the case , she should have told him about Richa's plan and intentions which would have helped him in the case
But I think she is too scared of him to talk to him openly and discuss issues with him.
even in the Me, while asking him to sign those papers she was so nervous, and scared.
after all this he says Richa par bharosa phele hi uthgaya tha..if he did not trust her , why did he believe what ever she said , whatever she did so blindly.

actually it is really Sidhi's greatness that after all this , she still loves him madly and trusts him blindly
it is high time he shoukd realize this and if he is not then Sidhi is on the right track in making him realize his foolishness.

no matter whatever happens i will never doubt sinal's love for each other

yes he did show care/concern towards witcha many times, but i dont think his intentions were wrong, if they was any other women in witcha's place and she was in trouble, kunal would have helped her, although i agree he should have been alert about her intentions after she pretended to get drunk and tried to get close to him etc.

yes that night he went to the party even if siddhi expressed her fear, but we know when he got drunk he confessed his love for siddhi and even told witcha that he came there as a friend and didint want her life spoilt, plus he said siddhi is waiting for him at home so in his aatma and heart he was thinking of siddhi all the time,, yes i agree one needs to maintain distance with the ex's, but for kunal witcha wasnt just an ex gf, of his, she was someone who he thought had helped him in a number of occasions, so in a way by saving witcha he was returning her favours as well as humanity sake. if i person is drowning you will help them, you wont think she was my ex gf or what na?.

and when kunal said reg having no trust reg witcha, i feel he meant after the hotel incident he stopped trusting witcha, bec there he had told her he diidnt love her.

and the aaee bit i agree he called witcha like that once, but i have seen him call seema like that too a few times, but usually its for siddhi he talks like that, so i believe that was maybe a mistake on the part of the writer in the scene

and you are right witcha siddhi maybe got wrong signals from kunal's behaviour, but that was done on purpose by cvs to build up the drama for the c night. kunal had even called witcha a musibaat when her driver said she was drunk, and wanted to drive. but siddhi or witcha diidnt see him say that, we as the audience did

i can vouch for kunal, that his intentions have always been noble and he wanted to save witcha bec he felt she needed help.

we know how much kunal tries to supress and hide his feelings as long as siddhi is concerned, so he was all the way making sure he wasnt giving any hint that he is falling for siddhi, but his drunken confession ne panda poor diya. haha

kunal's love confession for siddhi in the hotel that night actually cleared all, even witcha was shocked that kunal loves siddhi, it was a slap on witcha's face .no wonder she filed wrong case against him, bec she cant take the fact that kunal fell for siddhi and forgot about witcha

i can understand siddhi not telling kunal reg witcha before the c night, but after that false case she could have told him or maybe atleast informed him reg the div, but then again if that was all solved and told, we wouldnt get drama in the current track.

norzar

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chitsss

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: norzar
hi

no matter whatever happens i will never doubt sinal's love for each other

me too no doubts about the love, its just that they dont know that its mutual is whats leading to all the MU's

yes he did show care/concern towards witcha many times, but i dont think his intentions were wrong, if they was any other women in witcha's place and she was in trouble, kunal would have helped her, although i agree he should have been alert about her intentions after she pretended to get drunk and tried to get close to him etc.

yes , never were his intentions wrong , he could have displayed more caution thats all, the prob was Siddhi didn't know what he feels for Ritcha or for her.

yes that night he went to the party even if siddhi expressed her fear, but we know when he got drunk he confessed his love for siddhi and even told witcha that he came there as a friend and didint want her life spoilt, plus he said siddhi is waiting for him at home so in his aatma and heart he was thinking of siddhi all the time,, yes i agree one needs to maintain distance with the ex's, but for kunal witcha wasnt just an ex gf, of his, she was someone who he thought had helped him in a number of occasions, so in a way by saving witcha he was returning her favours as well as humanity sake. if i person is drowning you will help them, you wont think she was my ex gf or what na?.

his intentions were never wrong, just like i said earlier the circumstances created the mess.

and when kunal said reg having no trust reg witcha, i feel he meant after the hotel incident he stopped trusting witcha, bec there he had told her he diidnt love her.

yea i think too, but i remember one earlier episode when he asks Siddhi not to work for the Thakrals , he says mujhe unpe koyi bharosa nahi hain.

and the aaee bit i agree he called witcha like that once, but i have seen him call seema like that too a few times, but usually its for siddhi he talks like that, so i believe that was maybe a mistake on the part of the writer in the scene

I like it when he calls Siddhi , not anyone else.😃

and you are right witcha siddhi maybe got wrong signals from kunal's behaviour, but that was done on purpose by cvs to build up the drama for the c night. kunal had even called witcha a musibaat when her driver said she was drunk, and wanted to drive. but siddhi or witcha diidnt see him say that, we as the audience did

exactly, and seriously Cv's certainly kept his feelings under shrouds.

i can vouch for kunal, that his intentions have always been noble and he wanted to save witcha bec he felt she needed help.

me too.

we know how much kunal tries to supress and hide his feelings as long as siddhi is concerned, so he was all the way making sure he wasnt giving any hint that he is falling for siddhi, but his drunken confession ne panda poor diya. haha

kunal's love confession for siddhi in the hotel that night actually cleared all, even witcha was shocked that kunal loves siddhi, it was a slap on witcha's face .no wonder she filed wrong case against him, bec she cant take the fact that kunal fell for siddhi and forgot about witcha

i can understand siddhi not telling kunal reg witcha before the c night, but after that false case she could have told him or maybe atleast informed him reg the div, but then again if that was all solved and told, we wouldnt get drama in the current track.

norzar

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