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Posted: 13 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: JZephyr


So I personally think Kesar justifying himself at all other odd times, was different from this instance - because all those other times, somewhere intuitively or subconsciously he was aware of a guilt in being ridiculously unfair to Gulaal - and part of his justifications were almost for his own self!


Here on the other hand - where Kesar has risen to such humility and maturity, it's all out his love and devotion to the cause called Gulaal that makes him justify his intentions which are no longer marked by anything but goodwill. And IMO, it should hurt the most to have to explain oneself, when you know your intentions are pure and well meaning as Kesar's in this case. A feat only he could manage, because when it was Gulaal's turn earlier, she miserably failed them both!

Jzee what I meant was that he had to explain out of habit, yes I agree with you that the accusations were far too disparaging and had he taken offence like she did and chose to walk away from there it will be completely out of character, he paid a heavy price for that internal turmoil when he chose to walk away and not confront her about what he had overheard at that stage,10 long years where he was searching for answers and when he did finally manage to gather that courage she let him down so badly….

I think you have said this somewhere before this basic difference stems out of their individual characteristic where both of them subject themselves to be responsible and answerable toward only one they love and that's why I think when he says that she is forgetting the relationship they shared beyond his love confession had died for her…even when she is trying to manao him in the kitchen he says the same thing…"Main tujpe apna haq samajta aaya hu bina koi rishte ki parwah kiye,jab se tu iss ghar main aayi thi…."

What I wanted to point out was that once he knew what selfless love meant he was so above these ego and resentments that he would have done anything that would make her happy,if that meant clarifying baseless accusations however hurting so be it….anyway this is how I will interpret his need to explain his stand after that mandir convo with terrorist….

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Posted: 13 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: JZephyr


Lool who's back 😲

Hola Mazeee 🤗how ya been?!



I'm good 🤗 ..just been busy..sigh.. oo I am watching that Na Bole tum show as well!..missed 2-3 epis in between, but I like the story and treatment so far...just read your post in the forum too ;))
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Posted: 13 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: enchanted23


What I wanted to point out was that once he knew what selfless love meant he was so above these ego and resentments that he would have done anything that would make her happy,if that meant clarifying baseless accusations however hurting so be it'.anyway this is how I will interpret his need to explain his stand after that mandir convo with terrorist'.


That there does sum it up Aditi. He had risen in the moment of that one revelation. Risen beyond a decade of despair and doubt, and risen to the form of love which Gulaal had only just defined to him. In some stark ways, Kesar - despite being the spoiled and looked out for baby of the house - had to fend too much, too often, for himself and became a strangely self groomed man of self convictions and self lessons. Which is where he is also, a stark difference from Vasant - who is best defined as a man made of society's top and all ideals. And that's what makes Kesar such a real deal - like this tangible character sketch you can reach out and touch or hold or mould, or even be or become!
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Posted: 13 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: Maz.



I'm good 🤗 ..just been busy..sigh.. oo I am watching that Na Bole tum show as well!..missed 2-3 epis in between, but I like the story and treatment so far...just read your post in the forum too ;))


Mazieee! 2012 has kept my schedules on rocks so far too, but I can't be one complaining after my long end of last year vacation .. so well!

And NBT is turning out to be such a promising bet atm - brownie points to the fact that the forum has very interesting and logically debating members, always adds to what you take home from a show! So far, so good. You should make time and drop by now and then - it's that kind of place to be! =)
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Posted: 13 years ago
#65
Okay folks, here go uploads for today. Specifically paired these two scenes - because the mark the departure and return of Gulaal, both, in different ways for different obligations, quite forced. And both, of course, very much Kesar-compelled situations!

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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dZ-deWF1f8[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykz63_9taF0[/YOUTUBE]
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Posted: 13 years ago
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ok Jzee,I have a request.When you get time (and please no sacrifice of lunch😆)can you please upload the Punjabi-Gujarati food fight between GK.I do love that scene.One of those rare scenes when Gulaal completely forgot her surroundings and got lost in Kesar even if it was just for the sake of an argument.Gulaal was so cute here and Kesar enjoyed watching her get all worked up😳

I am enjoying all the discussions here.so many good points.It's like every single scene I get to learn something new from you all.I love it😃
Edited by minizz - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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^^ Haha, yeh I'll get that done sometime today Mini - no skipping lunch because it's happy weekend atm 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
#68

Originally posted by: JZephyr

^^ Haha, yeh I'll get that done sometime today Mini - no skipping lunch because it's happy weekend atm 😆


on that note Jzee here's my list...

when you get chance , I am in no hurry I still need to unres all the scene I want to put my view on…here goes…

1. Scene after the near drowning where Talli's brain suddenly finds divine power to question his behaviour and his evasive answers till Gulaal's one liner…Iss se main badlugi nahi,aur na hi tere liye mera pyaar….
2. After the panchayat decides to give them 3 months to sort out their stand and the contemplation of his action in his room and then her entry and subsequent friendship promise….
3. Kitchen scene where she promises him abot manao MB and then sneakily extends glass of milk…..
4. Jewellery Shop where he shops for that earrings

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: enchanted23


on that note Jzee here's my list...

when you get chance , I am in no hurry I still need to unres all the scene I want to put my view on'here goes'

1. Scene after the near drowning where Talli's brain suddenly finds divine power to question his behaviour and his evasive answers till Gulaal's one liner'Iss se main badlugi nahi,aur na hi tere liye mera pyaar'.
2. After the panchayat decides to give them 3 months to sort out their stand and the contemplation of his action in his room and then her entry and subsequent friendship promise'.
3. Kitchen scene where she promises him abot manao MB and then sneakily extends glass of milk'..
4. Jewellery Shop where he shops for that earrings


Gotcha Aditi - just for the record, I've already uploaded the first scene you asked for, when I was doing the scenes in order ... here you go:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuQhAXt35Og[/YOUTUBE]
^^ The last half a minute or so in this one... continued in the next complete vid -

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLPQHQ4BUxQ[/YOUTUBE]

Will do the rest along with Mini's today/tomorrow.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#70

Originally posted by: JZephyr



Another infamous landmark confrontation between GK. Irate from weeks of the exhausting up and down in his equation with Gulaal, Kesar finally snaps.

Confronts her with all the questions that have crowded his mind and life for a decade now. Questions he has wanted answers to, but feared getting answers for just as much - afraid of uncovering a dark truth that he already assumes anyway - that Gulaal has betrayed him, her Kesar.
Hey Jzee well said though he had gathered as much ,he wanted to live in denial of this dark truth as he said in that letter at least that way he could keep her in front of his eyes as fear of loosing her was so profound in his mind that he would have put up with this as long as he could……..


The perpetually prevalent paradox in Kesar's nature - because on the one hand he has singularly hated on her for her betrayal; on the other side he wants answer to the one big question - whether she has betrayed him,. and why?! The epic 'kyun' of his dilemma.

So true it was that question of her hiding truth from him not making him party to whatever the reason was to withheld the truth from others that bothered him more…..


Of course, Gulaal throws a googly at him with her equally epic 'koi haq nahin hai tujhe' - and all his well built line of argument and logic and questioning goes awry in a second. All Kesar can comprehend anymore is the fact that Gulaal has bereaved him of his most priceless possession - his haq on her - which as he later tells her, he has assumed from the day she entered his life. main shuru se tujhpe apna haq samjhta aaya hun... Sigh.

Yes he is lost for words after this invisible attack that all but leaves him breathing in the name of life…what followed was just a childish tantrum to teach her a lesson that she would never forget for deciding something with the haq she assumed she had on him,which she denied him of having on her just few moments ago….sigh!!



Highlight of this scene IMO is the fact that Gulaal (almost unintentionally) accomplishes two feats with one declaration. Her withdrawal of haq from Kesar not only puts an abrupt halt to his questions - and never after this sequence do we find Kesar going back to her with his questions, despite her extremely hurtful snub something takes a back seat in him and he simply lets go of the Vasant murder and GD love angle mystery altogether. The second thing that Gulaal accomplishes - without realizing she would, lol! - is provoking Kesar into jumping to that totally out of line decision to marry Talli. How ironic that her pleas and cries and cajoling from just the evening before (the odhni confrontation) does not deter him from his I will not marry Talli decision, but what does is the impact of his loss of haq on her!

Jzee imo he accepted her statement about Vasant being her past and present and there couldn't be anyone else when she says meri neeyat pe shaq mat kar Kesar, and then substantiates it with Mujpe mere Vasant ke alawa kissi aur ka haq nahi hai, even though shattered by that revelations initially he accepted that that's how it will always be for her as he has known her all throug out the years he was the only one party to that diary, he was only one who knew about her Vasant prem through her letters and he was the one who witnessed her tears for Vasant ever so frequently,so it wasn't hard to accept what she was stating was truth………..


She pleads with him and he denies her. She walks out on him, and he complies 😲 - oh Kesuda, who can fathom your heart?! 😆

Well again imo it was nothing but childish tantrum to grab her attention, to make her realise her mistake, to make her reclaim that haq which she was ready to relinquish w/o realisation of the loss this would entail….

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JZee

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