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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thanks Vjayam for the super update...
TA in between KP & Charu.. might have got some hints on the psychoness from her eyes. Did he say abt the PS matter just to evoke her anger and psychoness? ennamo ore confusion pa on his expressions.
Tuls - good you resumed your studies. She ought to learn from her mistakes but she realises that too late. anyways let her be peaceful in atleast studies!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thulz has been modicum of plain old-decency, humility, tenacity and hall-mark of patience, poise and grace under fire...except for two occasions when she has questioned the very foundation her relationship:

- When Thulz walked away from TA, T broke her own tenet about relationship: Cornerstone for relationship/affection is trust and not suspicion. While she may not have been suspicious about TA behavior directly, she had seeds of mistrust.

- In current episode when she mind-voiced about TA's relationship being distraction. Although her mind-voicing is a superficial hyperbole, she never ever uttered the same kind of words calling into question her relationship with MM who till this point has never been a human,.let alone been a father to her.

Why does she have different yard-stick for TA and MM? Till now, T has not tried to analyze why TA is behaving like a jerk. She has not heard TA's side of story, thus far. Yet, she is rushing to pre-judge TA while she has never questioned MM knowing full well a moron he was?

Relationship of Trust [which is what T claimed her's with TA to be], is based on willingness to look @ interest of others [i.e. TA] and not only self-interest [i.e. WIIIFM]. This leads raise a question- Is T's relationship TA is about convenience and her own self-serving interest of education??

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnnaJay

Thanks for the fast update

Everyone will be brought under same roof by coming monday, who and what i mean by this you will know by this week. when charu decides to step forward everyone will be brought into picture by fate. What Charu need now is to make sure Thulasi is nomore in Tamizh's life to move forward so things are going to move towards it. The betrayer track which i mentioned along with another one is going to help things to move further from Charu's side.



Is padma by any chance part of charu's plan. Becoz the way she tried acting goody all of a sudden and police complaint was to seperate TT. Yesterday she dropped another bomb asking compensation from TA which means divorce.is she doing everything on charu's instructions.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: acornn

Thulz has been modicum of plain old-decency, humility, tenacity and hall-mark of patience, poise and grace under fire...except for two occasions when she has questioned the very foundation her relationship:

- When Thulz walked away from TA, T broke her own tenet about relationship: Cornerstone for relationship/affection is trust and not suspicion. While she may not have been suspicious about TA behavior directly, she had seeds of mistrust.

- In current episode when she mind-voiced about TA's relationship being distraction. Although her mind-voicing is a superficial hyperbole, she never ever uttered the same kind of words calling into question her relationship with MM who till this point has never been a human,.let alone been a father to her.

Why does she have different yard-stick for TA and MM? Till now, T has not tried to analyze why TA is behaving like a jerk. She has not heard TA's side of story, thus far. Yet, she is rushing to pre-judge TA while she has never questioned MM knowing full well a moron he was?

Relationship of Trust [which is what T claimed her's with TA to be], is based on willingness to look @ interest of others [i.e. TA] and not only self-interest [i.e. WIIIFM]. This leads raise a question- Is T's relationship TA is about convenience and her own self-serving interest of education??

T's relationship with TA is def not herown self-serving interest of education..Although education has been T's priority and only priority till TA breezed into her life, when she decided to leave that and accompany TA to blr, she has proved that her relationship with TA is more important to her. IN fact as professed by her to deepa outside the beauty parlour, as far as TA is concerned she is not just herself, probably this is the first relationship she has of her own choice. This weakness, inspite of her trust in TA but lack of trust in her own destiny, made her forego her paper in the 1st sem...Again this weakness has made her behave quite unlike herself in the past few days. Now, left to herself and her thoughts which have slightly crystallized now, she is able to see how her marriage has distracted her from her studies/. She knows now that there is nothing that she can do or say to convince TA otherwise now, so rather than worrying abt that (she is def sure that TA is not going to let any other girl into his life...), she cud conc on her studies till TA realises...
MM too under the influence of padma has been a moron and it took him rather long to realise abt T..but once he has realised he has been quite sincere and with her at every step..
This track has in fact to be admired for a couple of reasons...
for showing a hero and heroine who are not perfect..who are just good human beings but with some faults too. How these faults are coming in the way of a near perfect relationship is being beautifully shown...
T's mistakes to be listed are
listening to sudha and calling pei
listening to deepa, enacting with pei and hiding the facts she found from TA as also the KP visit matter
and last but not the least, in a fit of helplessness leaving GW's house (this has proven to be most damaging..but for this the mohan-lav incident and the police station incident wud not hv taken place)
(all 3 were uncalled for as she is very confident of TA..)
TA's mistakes..
misunderstanding T's adv reg his behavior in shop as siding Puvi and not him
falling prey to gw's repeated archanai to T as how she has married him because he is educating her and that he has been letting T get the better over him...
believing that GW and lav have changed and it is now T who has to understand them (thanks to her convo with mohan that he overheard.)
and his guilt factor reg pei, which is refusing to believe anything that cud come in the way of her marriage with KP
somewhere down the line TA seems have mixed feelings as far as T is concerned..On the one hand he feels she is too possessive over him and on the other that she values her education more than him...
TA too needs to be left alone to go over all past events to code them properly, i guess...and he cud see that if T has been correct over,
4 lacs matter,
dharman matter,
she cud not be very wrong with this esp as TA knows that initially it has been sudha who had warned her abt pei and now she has a letter too...
On the other hand if T had not reacted wht cud hv happened...
TA will continue in blr.
working for a n almost nonexistent company
T continues in chennai listening to gw's taunts and curses..ta keeps coming in weekends...
and where does that leave TT?
One point of interest is TA has realised that the past one year he has suffered and when he realises that most of that is because of his family...one wonders what he wud say then?
Either way, TT in spite of the pristine love they have for each other do have some learnings to do and what better way to fall and learn?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ vijayam, well said...TT are not Mr. and Mrs. Perfect...they have done mistakes like common men and they are going to correct themselves with this track to mutually trust each other first before trusting any other ...

as Annajay mentioned sometime back that they are going to face the problems together differently...wish it is for their good and more matured approach is followed by them, TOGETHER...

Another relief in yesterday's episode is C spkng agnst T...else i was worried wat if she asks TA to forgive T and act goody goody...things would have gone back to sq 1...I i was relieved after she said T cant be forgiven...Thanks to Mr. Dir for that...Now she is nearing TA faster...and that is what we want...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thanks Vjayam...interesting episode. I was happy to watch TA oda puzzled face when he suddenly saw the other side of Pei - saying she would kill the police woman for having slapped him. Kesh quickly brought her back to reality before TA could start thinking of her behaviour.🤬

She later said Thulsi is not fit to be his wife coz only a woman who feels the pain for his misery shd be considered his wife...!!🤣...indirectly meaning her good self..!!😉

Appovum...TA was blank coz he feels Charu is only a very good dost who has been giving him support and nothing else - he won't even think for a moment that Charu has got feelings for him even though Thuls had highlighted it to him.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: acornn

Thulz has been modicum of plain old-decency, humility, tenacity and hall-mark of patience, poise and grace under fire...except for two occasions when she has questioned the very foundation her relationship:

- When Thulz walked away from TA, T broke her own tenet about relationship: Cornerstone for relationship/affection is trust and not suspicion. While she may not have been suspicious about TA behavior directly, she had seeds of mistrust.

- In current episode when she mind-voiced about TA's relationship being distraction. Although her mind-voicing is a superficial hyperbole, she never ever uttered the same kind of words calling into question her relationship with MM who till this point has never been a human,.let alone been a father to her.

Why does she have different yard-stick for TA and MM? Till now, T has not tried to analyze why TA is behaving like a jerk. She has not heard TA's side of story, thus far. Yet, she is rushing to pre-judge TA while she has never questioned MM knowing full well a moron he was?

Relationship of Trust [which is what T claimed her's with TA to be], is based on willingness to look @ interest of others [i.e. TA] and not only self-interest [i.e. WIIIFM]. This leads raise a question- Is T's relationship TA is about convenience and her own self-serving interest of education??

T seems to be same wrt MM and TA - waiting with lots of hopes that he would understand her one day. Towards MM, though he kept on taunting with words all thru the 21 years, her only solace has been her studies and that gave her a break from all the nonsense she had to face from MM family. Deepa, kalyani and pati were her only support. She waiting all along for MM to understand that she is not like mom and kept focussing on her studies. Her trust that MM would understand her one day made her win her dad's heart with TA's help.
Towards TA, she again trusts TA and like vjayam rightly pointed out, she gave up everything including her studies for TA, but not TA for anything. Charu learnt this too during her confrontation.
Her trust towards TA, that he would never even think of another girl has been rightly pointed out by herself to Padma and her family. Now that she has started to wait again for TA to understand her(like in case of MM) and she has taken up education as her means of diversion from TA's behaviour towards her.
Her words could be taken this way too. Its like she accepting that her focus on education has reduced after TA entering into her life, avoiding going to college on her first day, missing her exams were all examples. Now that on her wait for TA to undestand her focus on studies are more and the issues are put aside. When she is not sure as when TA would understand her though she is super confident about TA, she is proceeding with her career with her hopes that TA would come understanding her..😍
The major difference/biggest mistake wrt MM and TA - She struggled from the same house to make MM understand where she walked away from TA but still waiting for TA to understand. She walking away is one thing TA might not have expected too and the same question was asked by TA and GP too. I wonder what was their intention to question her about she hiding the conf with C.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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The basic premise of the question: "Is Is T's relationship with TA is about convenience and her own self-serving interest of education??" is in the context of her disposition W.R.T. to MM [et al] and TA.

The question is not in an isolated context of T'n'TA relationship. T's affection and devotion towards TA is a complete one i.e. "Thulz like" [in its purity and pristineness] is devoid of any" strings attached" - is sorts of legend that needs no validation or credential establishment.

T as rightly noted, has been through one-room living hell under the tutelage of MM & GW-P for better part of her 20 years of existence with a hope that, the "horrible living condition" will change as MM will get know the real "Thulz" and that she is not like her "mom". Even when D,K and her fav patti @ several points urged T to "bolt from blue" [re: run-away], but, T steadfastly stayed the course until it finally dawned on MM during Vel marriage saga where TA played a pivot.

What made T stay the course which has made human out of morons like MM, Vel, et al?? It is her conviction and firm belief as she was "correct" and stayed the course no matter how bad the tide against her was, as stated by TA when admitting her in school.

T though has stayed with TA through thick and thin, has every right to be mad and angry @ TA - She can rip him apart et al, but has questioned or sort of alluded the foundation of her marriage with TA when she stormed out and when she mind-voiced.

Through many a crisis, TA always stood by her and emphasized the need/importance of her education [example her bday celebration]. Knowing TA as well as she does, what is the need for her to call into question her "marriage"@ superficial level or to term it a distraction repeatedly?? Through her MM ordeal, she never questioned her relationship with her father??

Till now T has not analyzed why TA is behaving in a moronic way, nor she seems to be in a mood give TA the same leeway or accord the benefit of doubt that she had afforded MM & et al, as the "thaw and deep freeze of the winter chill" has set in in their relationship albeit temp, hence the question.

Edited by acornn - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@accorn - now that she has moved her next step towards TA's issues with GP. TA is not even ready to see her or listen to her. The problem here is...T has her own stand but denies to think from TA's POV...and same with TA too...though i m towards TA is acting right now, his behaviour earlier was like he decided on things on his own and convinced her...Both fail to discuss on the other's POV and hence its so complicated. Now that its like T is waiting for GP's course of action as he had promisied to her that he would make TA understand.
T's words - love/marriage distraction is something simliar to the irritation and frustration TA had once after Padma's visit and her gutter wordsabout the loan. He was so irritated to see her studying and even said when i m in so much frustraion she is studying..the word distraction too came from the same sort of situation probably..according to me both conclude on things too fast and if they think from other's pov every problem would have been handled better.
The situation when TA hated T studying and complaining that she does not care about his problem and now T saying love/wedding was distraction and education is life, both are just words of frustration and failing to think what next and how to handle the situation. The difference here is T chose education which is quiet acceptable, and that too only bcos of her trust on TA keeping in mind about Gp handling the issue I guess.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Quote Accorn:
Till now T has not analyzed why TA is behaving in a moronic way, nor she seems to be in a mood give TA the same leeway or accord the benefit of doubt that she had afforded MM & et al, as the "thaw and deep freeze of the winter chill" has set in in their relationship albeit temp, hence the question
T may not have analysed why TA is behaving in a moronic way but T has analysed why the problems have come between them (as she told MM) and she has understood her side of the problem, which i think is equally imp. As far as TA is concerned, acc to her TA is prefering to listen to gw, lav, pei and kp rather than believing her or her side of truth. She has analysed his state of mind at present..that he needs to be convinced after assessing on his own (even once sudha has said that only when TA is shown a big picture on screen he will understand abt his mother.)the same happened with 4 lacs matter. he has to know on his own.
But all the same i T leaving GW's house, after having promised to MM that she will not leave or having told TA that she will wait for gw to change for ever can be questioned..but i guess here if ta continued his support of her she may have stayed on..but with ta holding hands with gw, she must have thought staying here is only going to make things worse and she felt somewhere that TA too wished like gw..her out of the house..(that happened to be true as ta told kanagu that ta wished t out till pei marriage took place).
Here t's exit has only one explanation by the team..something has to happen for something to happen..(that is to take matters forward...)

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