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Posted: 14 years ago
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I have gone through this in my mind over and over again, and come to the conclusion that I would not prosecute sadhu if i were in asha's place.
My decision would be based on :-
1) I dont have to see sadhu ever again
2) I made the mistake of going into sadhu's room, which will be misconstrued if this goes to court and goes public -- thereby tarnishing my own career.
3) My future will be at stake -- In Jayetsar, I will always be known as a woman of questionable morals. This cannot bode well.
4) Finally, I will be creating problems for my family. I am not contributing anything to the family anyway, so i do not want to create extra problems for madan singh and radha.
It would have been one thing if asha had been in her haveli and someone had broken into madan singh's house and attempted to rape/molest her ... but here she went into sadhu's room in the ashram.
Finally, I would really not give a damn about other women in society (this is selfish i know) by prosecuting sadhu -- but I just want to focus on myself and my betterment. (sort of anandi style ... it is done, move on).
Does this make me a coward? I dont know. But its what I would do.
All views welcome. Thanks.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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if everyone start foloowing this view thn no complain sd be made for any crime. suppose if anyone murdered, thn why to complain, u cant return dead person, but u will be harassed in court cases and other complication, thn why to complain. just leave t and move on, anyway u cant change anything. as concern to the she went to Sadhu herself, so she sd not complain, thn all dhongi baba sd be allowed to do whtever they want in their Asharam, they dont go to anywhere but people come to their ashram, so they get license to do everything with thm. if innocent fall in the trap of cheater, he sd be silent, becoz its her own fault. if we will start keeping silent only becoz openng our mouth can create problem to our family thn whnever u go agaisnt wrong it might create problem to ur near dear, so we sd bear all injustice silently. Asha is not forcing anyone to fight for her, but why she sd be silent, only becoz she live on the mercy of others?? if her near dear r helping her, thn instead of appreciating thm , is it ok to criticise thm? i simply cant understand this logic.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Thanks ankit. But I dont agree with any of your statements.
So then, my question must be in some framework of individual good vs. social good.
And I cast my weight in 'individual good' ... not social good,
which is what anandi does the opposite of. šŸ˜†šŸ˜†. No wonder i have so many issues with her character.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

Thanks ankit. But I dont agree with any of your statements.

So then, my question must be in some framework of individual good vs. social good.
And I cast my weight in 'individual good' ... not social good,
which is what anandi does the opposite of. šŸ˜†šŸ˜†. No wonder i have so many issues with her character.

every body is entite to hv their own view. i m also not agree with any of ur point but not forcing my POV. i m not here defending Anandi action, but in general, such trend wil be dangerous even for selfish POV, becoz after such accident, a person cant live with pride, if she will not do anything. if not think abt society , but for individua its not acceptable for me. i dont think its good for individua too. it will curb invidual personaity and will haunt u whole ur life. this is my personal viewšŸ˜†
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: ankit111

, such trend wil be dangerous even for selfish POV, becoz after such accident, a person cant live with pride, if she will not do anything. if not think abt society , but for individua its not acceptable for me. i dont think its good for individua too. it will curb invidual personaity and will haunt u whole ur life. this is my personal viewšŸ˜†

Fantastic response šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘. No I did not mean you were forcing your POV on me, because I invited all points of view. I just meant that I did not agree with your POV.
Okay, so I want to take this forward.
Yes, good reply that it will curb an individual's personality... which then brings up the topic of
'self-respect'.
What is 'self-respect' -- is it inflicting punishment on someone ... or is it focusing on your own life and moving forward without punishment? Meaning is the broader form of self-respect to move on with your own life and push yourself to higher levels?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I hve not posted anything in this forum for a long long time...I was silently reading the topics and the comments. But this topic, and the comments provoked me to write ...
Tinoo...you are absolutely right that people should give first priority to individual interest...
But ALAS, some people still dont understand and have not understood in past...
I dont understand why Gandhi ji started his fight against freedom when he was so much qualified, was a barrister...he was from a well off family...and britisher's were not at all effecting his own life...
I have heard many of our renowned social reformers have done for society without any individual interest... I dont understand that unki life mein kya aata jaata if they were not doing such reforms in society...How foolish people are they...
Raja Ram Mohan Roy fought against Sati Pratha. Why the hell he did he was a king after all...and Sati Pratha was not doing any wrong in his own life...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

Fantastic response šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘. No I did not mean you were forcing your POV on me, because I invited all points of view. I just meant that I did not agree with your POV.
Okay, so I want to take this forward.
Yes, good reply that it will curb an individual's personality... which then brings up the topic of
'self-respect'.
What is 'self-respect' -- is it inflicting punishment on someone ... or is it focusing on your own life and moving forward without punishment? Meaning is the broader form of self-respect to move on with your own life and push yourself to higher levels?

For a woman in Indian society, Izzat is everything, its not such small things tht justleave it , forget it and move on. woman like Asha, lack confidence, but such events even thm can shake. self respect is not just punishing for every small things but also not tolerating izzat ke sath khelwad. here we r criticizing Anandi, becoz she is not teaching lession to Jogia, and there we r criticizing Asha why she is fighting against Dhongi baba. if Anandi is not rit to be soft with Jogia, it dosnt mean tht we sd criticize everything done by her even good things. yes she sd not hv doube standard, but for this we cant denounce all fight against wrong people. Ony becoz we find Anandi showing doube standard, we cant prove wrong fight against Dhongi baba in general.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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tinoo!
i am a silent member and i liked your posts in this forum and others. your posts make me "think" i may not agree always but i think about them.
but this one numbs my thinking ability.
pardon me but such thinking like this doesn't belong to this century. hell it shouldn't belong to any century.
saying that asha went to Sadhu's room ;she wasn't attacked in haveli has that old age saying that "the girl deserved it".
sorry but NO woman DESERVES to be raped or molested under ANY circumstances.
and just because a woman is dependent on someone doesnt mean she has no right to speak out. should a woman dependent on the family always maitain silence.
Marital Rape, abuse and all SHOULDNOT happen just because the woman under attack is dependent. every one has a right to stand up for themselves.
focussing on your betterment is understandable. judging that peole who stand up as that they are being mahaan or something is not. (incidently i also think anandi is a hypocrite. But i dont think asha should keep silent)
moving on is right. but please dont say that maybe the girl deserved it. society already thinks that way. maybe time to understand that NO woman entering a room alone is exactly asking for being molested.
No girl, woman or a child deserves it.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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i work with one ngo who support girls with such past ... molestation n rape ... n trust me , their life is hell... mental damage is far more den dere physical pain ... n it cld have been better only if dey had complained on first incident instead of tolerating the pain over n over again ... n yes wat u described is wat dey say too ... but dis thought led dem being molested again n again... as it gives confidence to the criminal dat the victim is too weak n he can take advantage wtout ny fear , dey repeat dere sins again... n also make dem overconfident to play wt other girls ...

rightly said in Gita ... jurm karna and jurm sehna dono paap hai ...
i wnt call u a coward as u hav openly shared ur views :) but such victims (been tortured but not complained) are indeed weak personalities , dey prefer to live life in dark with no confidence on demselves... not to blame dem , as this is bcoz dey hav since childhood been supressed for some reasons ... or had childhood traumas whch make dem very insecure n fearful...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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If Asha remains silent after such an accident on her personality (not on her physical body),she would be taken 4 granted n blackmailed by Guruji n then his chelas (Guruji allows this to escape himself n establish that she is a prost) etc., etc.,till she finally becomes a wreck at the hands of all in the society.

It is not only how better we drive that decides our safe reaching home but rather how better the others drive to allow us reach home safe. Hence society first then we next.

All the reformers,leaders,avatars,prophets are the outcome of such innumerable accidents that push 2 a jeopardizing limit to put humanity at stake.

We shall always be prepared to train our children WHY of the values that keep us happy those can also be got 4m the other elders n sacred books!
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