forgiveness

Hi --

Tinoo lovely topic...when one is a victim it is tough to choose the path...Anandi was right to move on. She did not file the case...But it would have been nice if she had not arranged the fund for Jagya, it would have been better if she does not inform him after every deposit. It would have been nice if she has talked to lawyer and arranged divorce by mutual consent and moved on...

If she had done the above then she would not have harmed Jagya but at the same time would not have been a push over. I always felt the break up part was handled badly...i would prefer taking the stand of bhairon than Anandi...nhairon is not plotting against JAGA nor is he helping them. he let them go and have left it to god to punish...Anandi could have divorced Jaggu herself and cut him off her life and let him decide for himself. The sort of weird connection they have is helping no one.

wow your situation is quite the same as mine. I was in a similar dilemma 2 years ago and considered my options and one being taking that person to court.

@ vasuja -- thanks! I dont have that kind of weird connection with my tormentor - where I send him money. I did find out that he did something wrong in the office -- and sent a couple of mass mails to his office seniors pointing it out. 😆😆😆😆... so there is no helping hand being extended (not that he has asked me for that anyway)... so yes, I think a bhairon type of approach is what I can adopt.

this man jagya when he said that "let anandi live in jetsar with maa bapu lie their beti" this is the weird attitude shown by this insensible mean man so such person should be punished brutally n one thing is clear anandi will not forgive him for his misdeeds and the way hhe ditched her

Originally posted by: tinoo

@ vasuja -- thanks! I dont have that kind of weird connection with my tormentor - where I send him money. I did find out that he did something wrong in the office -- and sent a couple of mass mails to his office seniors pointing it out. 😆😆😆😆... so there is no helping hand being extended (not that he has asked me for that anyway)... so yes, I think a bhairon type of approach is what I can adopt.

@simran -- thanks!! i too would like to believe in karma etc... but unfortunately, I see all these people living happy lives and nothing really happening to them.

So I feel that God must be busy to do justice and I will help him out 😆😆

Tinoo,

"Michchami dukkadam", This Pali interjection asks for forgiveness as well as granting of forgiveness- (even if it is not asked specifically). The concept is more elaborated in two stanzas of Jain Pratikraman- "Khamemi Savva jive..." It's a verse of four lines in Pali.

Savve Jiva Khamantu Me –I Seek Pardon from all the living beings.
Mitti Me Savva Bhuesu – I am Friendly towards all the living beings.
Veram Majjham Na Kenyi – and I renounce enmity of all kinds.

I think the subject under discussion is dealt in the first line. The Jain theosophy teaches the transformations to ideal state of supreme pureness (not possible in current times and current 'kshetra'-roughly speaking 'lands'). But one can strive towards it with as much sincerity as possible. It asks ONE to retire from all violence of living media, enacted through any of the three means of a living being (man-vachana-kaya) ;Physical action, Language action, Thought action. Now perhaps it's impossible in practice until one finds the right guide. But one can beneficially (to one's own self) practice preparatory disentanglements. One such tool (and most powerful one) is active repudiation of enmity, hurt, or violent transactions. The concept is- even if the counterpart is not relieving the transaction consciously (especially the hurts received from him), you pray, seek and let go of your part earnestly. A release from this entanglement; the hurt caused is sincerely repented and hurt received is actively sought to be closured-the burden of hurt received is jettisoned. One moves forward with less baggage.

Again, practical implementation is difficult. The counterpart's actions are not under our control. But his future provocation might be dealt with much calmer mind (if at all they are coming forward). Why to keep some part of 'jettisoned' baggage' preserved, just under the heading of 'precaution', when one is actually getting lightened ('not bothered') and moving forward?

P.S. I admit my insufficiency in explaining the concept, just an amateur attempt.

wow stutishah! thanks for your reply. I had no idea that there is an actual 'methodology' to forgiveness - and the different types -- language, deeds, thought etc.

Originally posted by: parri814

Tinoo,

i love your sene of humour but you are also right. i agree with eeryone here but sometimes god helps those who help themselves.😆