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Posted: 13 years ago
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200% agree with you Annika! CV's are not showing A to the extent they have to show.

a lead should be so strong like Tulsi / Parvati etc, but i felt her character in this serial is so weak, depends still on DS / Bhairon. cannot come out of haveli / J's life (though it is very difficult for her to come so easily) and take independent decisions when she has decided to study n move on. even Pratyusha should develop her acting skills more and more the dialogue delivery, the way she speaks will be like a small kid speaking i don;t know whether it is her acting itself or the CV's wanted her to do so. but they must show a diff, btw kid n grownup A.

abt J being the lead yes even i felt so. there is no imp of any other character as J in the story. as someone said so true that all other characters revolves around J and acts accordingly.

and as you said why is it required a vamp / negative character: i think it started with Ekta kapoor and they became very popular shows of that time. and every serial maker now feels that if there is a character like that then they can get good TRP's and the show is a big hit.

viewers doesn;t accept same story line all the time. i saw many serials these days (though i don't follow regularly) which has a character like that not only hindi, telugu also. either a negative character or a story related with a balika. to attract children they are introducing kids as main leads and their fight making them enemies; very very very disgusting story lines.

really don;t know what the CV's think. and the BV CV's OMG how many possibilities of keeping viewers attention on their story. i mentioned those possiblities in other thread. CV's please think something different viewers are not fools to accept the same story line again and again.


---Swetha---
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Annika ,

A big shout out for an outstanding post, you hit all the right spots and focussed on the worrying trend in the tv industry. Yes , please spare the thought that it is meant to for entertainment and noone really gets influenced by it, am sorry if i offfend but you are grossly mistaken, there should never be any sadistic pleasure in watching an educated girl spoil her life and that of others for the so called soapish romance, If the show comes out with a USP of social awareness, markets itself as a pathbreaker and feeds the viewers a moral tag at the end of episode should be held accountable for what it shows to the audience. I was actually hopn that parliament discusses this issue again and censor board issue a warning to the CV's for not glorifying Bal Vivaah, domestic violence, marital rape , bigamy etc, these are some very real and important issues and the serial makers should send a strong msg to society that these are not pardonable.

Annika, you are absolutely right, today I cannot and will never consider characters lyk Anandi, Iccha etc as positive leads , coz they in there own way send a very bad msg, by not speaking the truth , by not asserting their rights, not raising voice against unjust in the name of protecting others ,harm themselves and others. There is no mahanta or majburi in being silent and bearing atrocities , there are no fairy God mothers who will wish wash the sorrows, and the girl will accept her husband bck in the name of luv, No way the cvs should let Jagat get back to Anandi , this will only prove that women were and will always be doormat. The trps are declining not becoz of lack of romance or triangle but coz it is playing with the so called reformation of Anandi...she is still, an ever pleasing, ghar ki bheendni who for me has not yet come to terms what has happened to her and what she should do.

Gauri was an interesting character , her speech and disdain for Bal vivaah, her sympathic attitude towards Anandi during Jagat's b'day, her declaring that both girls should ditch the guy was inspiring but now the mess she has become. No amount of trauma, insecurity and psychological stress should drive a person to be so vengeful as to mlign another girl's character, under real circumstances, if these two would have carried with divorce and issued noticed calling on A's character, she could have taken her lyf. Remember that Bangalore girl case who died coz of her husband's continued realtionship with his gf.
She suffered a trauma when she was married and then rejected at an early lyf, probably her parents and villagers gave her a hard lyf but see the positive side, it gave her an opportunity of education of becoming a doctor and leading a normal lyf, rather than thanking her stars and realizing what Anandi has missed all the years, she is still stuck with the same family, says she evies Anandi and declares that education was her last resort.

Her whole problem is JAgya, he is a spineless conniving man, if she is so worried about her future, she should move out , there is no love in this world which can be bigger than your respect, your family's dignity and which makes you into a manipulating soul-less human being. If there is nothin romantic in seeing Basant and Gehna happy after the marital rape then similarly and equally there is no "fun" in watching a helpless girl suffocate under lies and with the tag of keep but she is a negative character now and ends our sympathizes coz she is unning after innocent people, she is hanging on to Jaggu hen she should be kicking his arse.

Characters lyk Dadisa, become scene stealers not only by stellar acting but becoz they are grey character, who seem more real than these Anandis,Gauris etc, Dadisas and Ammajis exist in our villages where they rule and women lyk Anandi are doomed for lyf, they dont have any support whatsoever, hence if this serial claims to spread social msges it should give a voice to those women not just blib out a saying before credits roll.

We dont question the wisdom or the freedom of choice of anyone but that doesnt mean there are no flaws in the so called favs characters, its not our fault or anyone els,e it is the show makers who have regressed a century back...stop playng with marriages, education and sentiments ... , Like Annika mentioned there were a slew of women oriented shows, i remeber watching Shanti when i was very young and was inspired in many ways, but since Ekta's tym the main lead is kept n the kitchen , wearing a saree speaking out the sermons , keepng those kasams, hiding truth, exchanging husbands and mindless crying.

This serial has made Jaggu a central character, serioulsy the guy has destroyed two lives, committed zillion bad things, lied his way around, is a 1st rate MCP ...still we are glorifying his actions under the disguise of love and now his self proclaimed dignity and self respect, some one tell the writers he lost both a long tym back...there is no redemption for him

Thank you Annika once again, for venting out what i feel and what is happening.

As a young girl who is just on the cusp of her career , i feel belittled as a female when after so many years we still dont have a "real female character" who is capable of voicing her opinion, being independent and just being normal for once.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Genie: since Ekta's tym the main lead is kept n the kitchen , wearing a saree speaking out the sermons , keepng those kasams, hiding truth, exchanging husbands and mindless crying.

exactly my words too. but i think in ekta's serials the main lead used to fight for the justice / support the correct one. though the used to show them in the kitchen or so later they emerged as a strong character who fight for justice and wins over the injustice. but in BV the A character is so weak that she her self can't do anything though there are few supporting characters for her to proceed but does she do it really anything independently. she still do DS n J's jaap which someone has menitoned abt it.

ekta's characters were not so weak atleast. im not supporting ekta's serials but the main characters atleast were not so weak. A is not even show to do such things to herself.

G was shown very strong at first who is very friendly having some ideals, where have they all gone after marrying J. they have ruined the G's character completely and made A's character a funny one.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Swetha,

I agree atleast the story used to focus on those tulsi and parvatis ...though never watched them , but i meant that it was she who slowly brought the regressive intent in the tv industry, BV doesnt have a lead female character to call for , they are those doormats who are stomped regularly and silently bear the pain and still remain in the relationship or the house.

I agree atleast Ekta showed Tulsi kllin her own son now that was defining,

Gauri was a spirited girl lyk the young Anandi , see what she has been reduced to , this pisses me off , y cannot she be the one who answers back to Jagat, show him what a real educated woman is, ...Both A and G lack the spine to stand against a slimeball J
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: charminggenie

@Swetha,

I agree atleast the story used to focus on those tulsi and parvatis ...though never watched them , but i meant that it was she who slowly brought the regressive intent in the tv industry, BV doesnt have a lead female character to call for , they are those doormats who are stomped regularly and silently bear the pain and still remain in the relationship or the house.

I agree atleast Ekta showed Tulsi kllin her own son now that was defining,

Gauri was a spirited girl lyk the young Anandi , see what she has been reduced to , this pisses me off , y cannot she be the one who answers back to Jagat, show him what a real educated woman is, ...Both A and G lack the spine to stand against a slimeball J


@bold very very true. CV's should have raised G to tht level but they spoiled the entire story line. 😡
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Anjani

Look I don't say I wish to see ruin of Gauri to derive sadistic pleasure. I was talking in general about all negative and deviant characters. Realisation that you've been wrong - it must be shown. Wrong actions beget wrong results it must be shown! Punishment for really gross characters like the one in 10 PM show (the female one whose name starts from T😉) should be shown.

But the way they handle negative characters these days, it seems they are almost celebrating or glorifying them or trying to attract sympathy for them! So even when a character is reaping the fruits of his mistakes and wrong deeds, viewers are made to feel emotional about them.

It's almost like the movie Darr which claimed to be against stalking and terrorising girls. But ultimately they handled the psychotic stalker's character in such a way that they ended up glorifying him! The best songs of the film were given to him. Those songs were supposed to be about a boy's obsession and his perverted fantasies. But they made those songs sweet and made it look as if Juhi Chawla was always supposed to be with SRK! They made it as if his tormenting and harassing Juhi is out of helplessness and ''desperation''. Again making him a martyr or poor love-struck boy!Even when he is killed by Sunny Deol in end - the way they handled that sequence, showing SRK smiling at Juhi as if giving up the fight and giving up life because she hates him...they tried to evoke sympathy and made him look like he's made a big sacrifice!🤢

That is what is happening in serials these days! Even if they punish a character they tend to make him/her look innocent, wronged by the world, misunderstood and victim of fate!

He/she is shown like a poor,innocent person who was martyred ''just'' because he/she wanted things in a particular way!😲

Why induce sympathy by showing negative ones talking about things like ''love'' or ''sacrifice'', being sensible and sweet at times, or reminiscing about happy times with family/friends/lover or crying like a victim? Or justifying their acts in the name of love or welfare of family?

I can understand if characters like Amitabh Bachchan's characters in Agneepath or Deewar are justified, despite being anti-social. That is because he killed only those who wronged him. He was not killing innocents in the city or depriving them of their rights as he had been deprived in childhood. He was not hooking up with girls. Even if he had a relationship with a prostitute, he sought to marry her and give sanctity to his relationship with her when she got pregnant with his child. He did express before his death that he would give up all illegal works and hand himself over to the police.

In Agneepath he was a do-gooder. He was feared for his power. But he used to protect the poor.

So justifying such characters even despite their anti-social activities is kind of okay.

But why induce sympathy for characters like Tapasya? Or make someone like Gauri look right in what she is doing? Arrey yaar, she's just doing it out of love?!😲

I wonder why still no one has been shown to ask her in serial, why she ruined herself and brought herself back to square 1 all due to a slimy boy like Jagat?!

If such self introspection and realisation are shown then at least viewers are not led to believe that whatever she has been doing is correct and justified in the name of love?

Consider Akele Hum Akele Tum, in that film both Manisha and Aamir's characters undergo self introspection and are shown to regret their egoistic behaviour. It's not like they remained what they were to begin with, or only changed for the worse. But they changed for the better and realised their mistakes plus their duty towards their kid.

I want to see Gauri facing consequences of her mis-steps. I want to see her confronting her parents too and give her explanation of all things in childhood! I want her and Jagat's truth to be out in open in Mumbai and in Gauri's family also. And then have them face everyone, answer others. I want to see her answer her Bade Papa, her Bade Papa question her on what she made of his upbringing and mentoring!

But no! They either show her and J living in a bubble. And even if they show insecurity, not once do they show her regretting her actions or her lack of judgement! They've still not shown her thinking about what she end up doing to another girl's life in the name of love and buying J's lies!

It doesn't work if all actions are almost justified or explained in the name of love or childhood trauma! Show her getting therapy for the unresolved pain of that trauma. So that people see that trauma ought to be treated and not used as an excuse to ruin other's lives or break rules!

That's all I wanted to say. And I talked of negative ones in general. Not just Gauri. If there are no negative consequences, then how will people see what they've done is wrong?


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Posted: 13 years ago
#17
About TV and its impact, I can only say one thing - TV can affect more than movies. Movies are only 3-4 hours long and we don't see them every day for years.

But TV serials are seen daily.They have more power to influence. Certain viewers (eg., housewives and elderly people) even watch repeat telecast of all episodes! It is possible that people get affected in some way when bombarded with something everyday for years!

They should be careful not to induce sympathy or justification for wrong doers or lift up spineless doormats as goddesses as they are doing these days in most serials! Ultimately right and righteous strong characters should be there and should prevail.

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