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Posted: 14 years ago
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@ Sonali, Thanks. (Please read following rejoinder.)

Kools,

I need to admit here, I've not read the book neither its detailed analysis anywhere. Whatever I said above was part of a formal discussion that we had at a coffee table conversation a few years earlier. The elder cousin who had talked about above parellels had imbibed the novel at the time of its episodic publication in Megazine. His insights are always sharp and factual and had a vast exposure to Guajarati literature. He had spoken about how Chitrlekha magazine used to admire the cause of Dhirubhai in his nascent years of fierce competition with Bombay Dying- an old established giant...more in the following vein (my impressions at recall)..."Sumati Morarjee was drawn to family business at a very early age and during as early as 1920s when Indian society at large was historically known to have ultra conservative standards of patriarchal obstacles for any woman in business. They had added adversity of stifling Governmental control (from both- British and Independent India) and a bolted misfortune of Government nationalization of their established shipyard at Vishakhapattanam. The articles about Sumti Morarjee used to appear in Chitralekha where HK became chief editor after its founder Vaju kotak." So yes HK must have taken the premise from two fond examples, synthesized them and come out with a catching story of his own imagination. How much actual facts had percolated in fiction is not known to me as MB had never been under my reading agenda, partly because my cousin had stated that he missed something substantially in MB by way of a satisfactory tale. One reason was heightened expectations from HK's virtuoso plot construction for his novels in general and some unfulfilled ambiguity on Devki-Vaibhav relationship in particular. About former I can happily vouch face from my own experience of HK novels namely- 'Jad Chetan', 'Sambhav-Asambhav' or 'Jog-Sanjog', interestingly, all deriving from some real life incidents (Jad-Chetan = Aruna Shanbaug, unfortunate nurse at KEM). About later, I think it's time to put hand on MB novel...Please indulge, if I am too verbose here.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Again , very interesting smrth...

I know about Vaju Kotak and Chitralekha ...My mom subscribed to it , it was published in Marathi too and I read Harkisan Mehta In Marathi [ translation}

I think Sumati's story is quite fascinting from what you told me . Another such relationship is Maharishi Dhondo Keshav Karve [ the Marathi social activist for widows } and his brilliant daughter in law Iravati Karve who went on to do Phd in anthropology and analyze the Mahabharatha in a way quite unknown before . Her analysis on various characters is quite striking .😊 Another such relationship is in the book Anandi Gopal , where the child bride Anandi is tutored by her youth husband Gopal [ who i believe was a mere teacher} and sent to England to study to be a doctor . Anandi was the first Indian lady doctor in India . Unfortunately she died in the ship on the way home ...She contracted tuberculosis I think . Anandi Gopal is on real life story , dealing with the rigidities of Brahminical severities in their society, child marraiges and fate of women . Gopal's progressive thoughts [ He is an original eccentric ,ahead of his times} , How he decides to educate his child bride , How he becomes her first Guru in studies [ He hits her with a cane on her palms when she falls asleep or wishes to play girly games in Brahmin functions}...a strict Guru whom she fears and later learns to rever , The tussle between the husband in him and the Guru in him { He feels insecure when she becomes a doctor coz now she is more qualified academically than him} Tussle between the human in him and the carnal side { he decides NOt to subject her to sex night after night as she is only 14 and frankly does not understand what its about and innocently asks him if she can sleep now ...it touches him and he never subjects her to it again and exercises control } ...oh smrth , it was beautiful , beautiful literature . Sooo Sorry to go off point , I rambled .😊







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Posted: 14 years ago
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very interesting again smrth!! this novel MB is available in english? i am not able to find it in english, i am more eager to read it after serial is taking unpleasant turns & twists since last month and IMV has become more or less side character.

anyone can help in getting MB novel in english

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Posted: 14 years ago
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oh I am loving this.. much more than the current phase in the show.. 👍🏼.. I havent been across that many forums on IF.. but my experience on this one has been rather intellectually satiating.. one of the prime reasons being just these sorta convos.. m a sucker for absorption.. of knowledge outside my realms.. So smrth and Kools... thanks a ton

Now smrth.. verbosity is the last thing you need to worry about.. as brevity is neither of our virtue😆 the parallels you drew here courtesy your cousin and the history is rather intriguing.. esp HKs fascination towards Dhirubhai during his stint as an editor.. the only member of the forum who had read the novel MB found it lacking.. did not relate to the convictions of different characters.. I guess you draw a better understanding for me.. wrt to the virtuoso of plots.. I have definitely liked the plots in the show till recently.. well then again all theory of relativity😆.. I am intrigued by the ambiguity in VD relationship that you mention.. it has been portrayed rather lucid from one end at least.. or maybe that was taking into consideration the mass audience's sensibility.. but u defo got me curious with that statement..

Kools.. its interesting.. how I have drawn different parallels with MB.. when I started.. I cld so see a lot of contemporary transcription of mahabharat.. and after the CP era.. I saw so much of wuthering heights.. wrt IMV.. the parallel with the ambanis was rather logistic to me.. and cleverly introducing an actor in the whole dynamic was sorta being a tease😉.. but I wonder if the time frame of HKs MB and Anil's life have any corelation at all.. his work is defo older than I had imagined
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: santok80

very interesting again smrth!! this novel MB is available in english? i am not able to find it in english, i am more eager to read it after serial is taking unpleasant turns & twists since last month and IMV has become more or less side character.

anyone can help in getting MB novel in english


its a gujarati novel.. no english translations to my knowledge.. and no E books also.. coz a lot of members have raised that question before.. maybe now tht the show is on air.. book sellers may cash on the hype and cater to the new found curiosity in the novel..

btw welcome to the forum... glad more and more ppl are filtering in..😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Thanks; yeah e-book is not available; even not much info on HK also

now, it seems book not avl in english 😭 can somone tell the end in book - smrth - for you pls

also, some info HK, his current works

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hi Kools,

First of all apologies for suddenly stepping away midway in a dialogue- for I just saw your beautiful response and some queries. Actually we'd been drafted to Lonawala with the friends and family as India celebrated a long weekend with Rakshabandhan on Saturday and 15th August on Monday. As dreaded, Lonawala was teeming and clamorous with masses from Bombay, but Nairutya's ageless currents chose to unleash their full might in perfect time. Their wafting sport with magical Western Ghats once again swayed all and sundry with their indescribable display of heaven and earth merging in a gossamer film of water when pouring, or whole mountainside once again turning into cascades or trickles when not raining...Meanwhile on political arena too, there is a deep, muffled sound of a distant rumble escaping from the cataclysmic schism of a deeply abused society preparing to sort out some long overdue accounts with its power drunk political class, just as Anna Hazare is blocked by an unbelievably haughty Government in its unbelievably stupid attempt at eye washing entire nation. They may succeed in containing with some trickery...but just postponing the inevitable.

On MB front I really have nothing to add, in fact I'd qualify some earlier observation as something subjectively inferred from available information. On HK, I can add a few titbits. Though he was one of the most successful novelists in Gujarati, he was not the greatest. But then his sharpness is indisputable. His grasp and reproduced essence of a certain strata of contemporary Gujarati Society is genius only. He was most responsible for the rise of Chitralekha as he was from one of the most successful business community in gujarati milieu, Kapol Bania ( Asha Parekh fame); typically miniscule in numbers but giants in clouts. They are producers of bankers and business magnates. They had good contribution in Mumbai's development as financial hub of India. Mangal Das Market, one of the major supports of Mumbai textile industry etc. Till recently they had owned almost half of Vile Parle through colossus SVKM (Sri Vile Parle Kelavni mandal) where HK too had some influences- A course in his name at Mithibai college etc. He died in 1998 so obvsly there is no 'recent' work...Sorry to come up with some dry information, but that's only thing I'd at the moment...😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thanks for ur reply samarth ...Last year too u had described the monsoon scene from Marine drive beautifully , and U had described how u were looking forward to going to Lonavla .😊 I treasure ur descriptions .

Yes its shameful the way they arrested Anna and imagine ...Kiran Bedi who was heading Delhi Police once upon a time .Dunno WHAT the country has come to ...Its like the Independence Movement ...the full country was in arms up against the British and today they r ironically againt those who stood against the Briish then ...The Congress .

All political parties r same . Those who r criticising Congress r no less . Sab SAME hai .Corrupt monsters .

Basically all r FED UP of corruption . Nobody wants that LokPal ...u know ? Nobody wants him .

Good that Anna refused to come out of jail .

And I hope this movement becomes global and everyone's financial nonsense is shredded ...India NEEDS a mass movement and cleaning up . Frankly its SO MUCH i dunno from where they will start .

Mukti Bandhan , is going other serial way .Love Triangles .😔

Your information on Harkisan Mehta was invaluable . U won't believe it but i LOVED reading authors from castes other than mine ...as they gave me a cultural insight . I loved reading Tagore , Sarat Chatterjee , HM , Munshi Premchand , and even South Indian literature when translated . 😊



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