Bring Shiv Back as IMV !

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Who says Shiv Subramaniam did not do justice to the character of IMV ?

I repeat ...says WHO ?

He has done such a fantastic job of portryaing IMV ...cold , detached , clinically objective in summing up human beings like commodities ...that we cannotand will not imagine Mukti Bandhan without HIM .

No one else will be able to be the IMV that Shiv portrayed . No other actor , with all due respect to their talents . This role was tailor made for Shiv .

The low TRPS r not due to Shiv's controlled acting . They are due to the indoctrinated mentality of The Indian viewers to soaps ...they will have time accepting ANYTHING different than saas bahu shows and garish vamps ...to which they have been exposed to for a VERY long time .

To accept ANYTHING new and good , it takes time . To shake off the stupor that the resigned , defeated mind has sunk into after watching years and years of such formula soaps [ Oh , u put on ANY channel its the same yaar }and to accept something new and credible will of course need some time .

Hell , it needed YEARS for us Indians to snap out of the typical running around trees and singing in garden romances shown in Hindi Movies and to appreciate the slickly made walking with the time movies .

But we DO watch these movies now , and we remember the running around In garden movies with fond nostalgia .

Mukti Bandhan was one the greatest odd ball shows ever made ...A STORY , for starters , a complex character like IMV , great dialogues , and Non bitchy women for a change .

The story ran bcoz of the character Ishvar Virani or IMV ...and the great dialogues .

Take away IMV and the story falls .

If you guys r under the impression that bringing Sabina back will pull TRPS in minus IMV...dream on .

Already the Virani House looks empty without IMV . No couples , no amount of romance will make MB interesting if IMV is not looming in the background , all grey and profound .

If u guys think for a moment that any other actor will do BETTER in IMV's role by playing the role more flashily , u will only undo the incredible efforts Shiv put in the role by appropriately underplaying it .

He built IMV by underplaying the role purposefully .

A flashy IMV , in rage , emotions or villainy , will simply destroy the serial.

So Sorry but we cannot accept this serial without SHIV as IMV .

Take IMV away , and what remains ? A pathetic Triangle romance which may seem good now but which will become a classic BORE within a month as it gets incredulous by the day due to sheer immorality .

Theres only so much immorality that the Indian viewer can take .

Sabina in and IMV out ???

What remains in the story then ?

IMV as the anchor and the cast around him was the story .

On his own , Vaibhav does NOT run the story . Neither does Sid . Neither does Nirali .

The old couple ...Master and BAA too do not make the story .

Neither do Devki and Sabina .

But Devki and IMV did make the story .

More than ille ille with Sabina , IMV's tussle with Sabina was interesting to watch. How long will ille ille hold interest ?

We viewers r already BORED . Bring IMV back , complete with his own unscruplous principles in thich the ends justify the means , and weave stories around him in which he ultimately play a part .

Bring SHIV back . He gave us a character we had to date read about only in books . He gave us IMV .









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Posted: 14 years ago
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Didn't even read the post.. but on the title.. what do you mean by BACK.. he AINT GOING ANYWHERE..he better NOT😡

what these idiotic capitalists do is their mirky business.. but SHIV IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE IMV FOR ME.. the day I see some other face putting blasphemy.. M done..

lemme go read your post now..😆
Edited by sonali.19281 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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ok Kools.. I see why it took you a day to make this post.. after you read the news...coz you were smart enough to deal with your anger.. frustration.. rage.. at this blasphemy.. before making a pertinent post here.. as for me.. I just can't deal with the anger yet.. just can't.. its making me livid.. the thought of it😡

You once rightly pointed it out to me.. that iMV is our desi Heathcliff.. I had this new-found romanticism in him.. drawing conscious parallels.. the dark lord.. with such dignified conviction.. so layered.. and intriguing..

he is the PULSE OF THE SHOW.. in my history of viewing.. I have never seen a dark lead.. a respectable.. layered dark lead.. and kudos to the makers for that.. but Shiv made the dark lead.. into our Dark Lord..😎.. I did take time to get used to him.. to see through him.. I still haven't been successful coz thts how he plays the role.. not just underplay.. but leaving one in a this eternal maze.. you don't know which way to think.. you don't know if you are to feel bad for him.. to see world thro his eyes.. or just hope for him.. or just be mesmerized at his acumen.. or all of the above..

I remember the first time my eyes were moist.. the scene were he sits in his room.. Bade acche lagte hain playing.. and baa walks in.. I was jittery.. to see the transformation from melancholy to angst.. to the closed resolve.. what a fine balance.. my fave phase of MB is IMV-CP phase.. and its no mean task to hold on in front of greatness like Deepti.. he may not be great.. but his aura is impressive..

the loverboy scene.. where he reminisces the past with CP.. I cried the second time.. I was numb.. not coz he played it emotionally.. he was rather stoic.. and thats what hit me more.. I was talking to mom recently.. and she said the same.. what makes IMV work is Shiv's persona.. she said.. she cld see a Ratan Tata.. a Mukesh Ambani in him.. he has consciously struck this balance in portrayal.. underplaying but not looking tame.. menacing but not aggressive

now coming to the 2 options.. Ashutosh Rana.. amazing actor.. but I always associate the garish villiian roles he has done.. and fear he will make IMV look more aggressive than he needs to.. Chetan Pandit.. may have the physicality.. but all I have seen of him.. makes me think he'll make IMV look tame.. the other day I was bragging in some forum that IMV is the AB Sr of TV.. who gives the PHYT of heroes in other shows a run for their money..😉

Now coming to business sense.. what business sense does it make to offend the loyal viewers (no matter how minuscule niche) in order to aim for greater viewership.. in the end.. they are not sure of attracting masses but risk losing the small section that did watch it for 8 LONG MONTHS.. go to the MB fb page.. its full of urbane populace and suprisingly more MALE.. that vouches for MB.. and unanimously say just one thing. .this show CLICKS coz of IMV.. coz there is no parallel to him in any other show.. dark.. but rationale.. diabolic yet reasonable..

and Shiv bears the essence of IMV.. I don't see anyone else in his shoes.. I will go to the extent of saying.. Kill my other fave VV.. but retain Shiv as IMV.. if thts what it takes to keep the flagship high.. we want our Dark Lord.. right here.. where we appreciate and love him for everything HE IS and STANDS FOR..


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Posted: 14 years ago
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and Shiv bears the essence of IMV.. I don't see anyone else in his shoes.. I will go to the extent of saying.. Kill my other fave VV.. but retain Shiv as IMV.. if thts what it takes to keep the flagship high.. we want our Dark Lord.. right here.. where we appreciate and love him for everything HE IS and STANDS FOR..


Exactly . V can be changed , people will accept after some time . Nirali was changed ...Kya farak pada ? But Change IMV , and it will simply collapse , this serial .

So what if it has been taken to a different time slot ? There have been many serials that have run comfortably for 2 or 3 years at that slot , coz they have a viewership like us who watch them in the calm of the night , relaxed after a days work .

They are NOT focussing on the business abilities of V and D at all . What they r all doing is running after and arund that actress Sabina .

Where r Devkis business abilities ?

Where r V's business abilities ?

Is V about ille Ille only ?

Sabina was running away , putting CP in LOSS .

Baa glorifies Sabina ...Sabina will nevvver break V and D's marraige

Arre who CARES ???? Ok , we get it , shes REAL good , but the story was about a BUSINESS HOUSE and its Founder and his heirs who have inherited bits and pieces of him !

And how the bits and pieces connect to the WHOLE !

THATS what it was , today the story is FULL Virani house is running after one actress , bas !

This is ridiculous . The story SUCKS .

Its SUCKS for the character of Devki who is strong , independent and was not at all tailor made for worshipping her Souten role .

IMV had selected her for her STRENGTH .

Change all , kuch farak nahi padega . Change IMV , serial collapses .
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Kools did you notice one thing.. For the first 5-6 months.. the show was about.. how every character's life was shaped up.. owing to IMVs plan.. owing to his bitter past and his single focus revenge.. owing to his ways.. good or bad.. he commanded the show.. he pulled the strings.. whether it was business.. getting VD married.. maneuvering Ds professional aspirations.. his own domesticity.. although Baa-master bickered and resented.. the only person who in some ways effected IMV was D.. in her utmost regard for her guru... what happened to tht regard now..

tii of course CP walked in.. and for once IMV was at the receiving end of destiny.. and it got interesting.. coz you say IMV battle it out.. for his convictions.. against fate.. or CPs will.. so much so that CP had to leave to carry on her way of life.. but ever since then (this is when I am thinking the channel bosses play villains) the show relegated IMV to the bg..

him not calling shots.. nothing shown on how CPs move effected him.. how his getting effected in turn effected the whole domesticity.. no actress has any majaal to come into his dominion.. where is tht proactive iMV who called shots.. who wld have taken care of the situation at the snap of a finger.. where is he.. and why is he consciously being kept out.. to show us 5763626 old ghisa pita concept..

Like u said.. I dont care a reptile's crap abt the fulfiment of VV-Sabina's love affair.. if it has nothing to do with IMV.. if I had to be absorbed in a tragic love affair.. there r 684762 other shows dude..what made IMV-CP work for me.. is simply.. IMV and CP..for crying out loud.. if VV and Sabina getting together is gonna save us the ILE ILE torture.. let them elope together and take Baa alongside.. and RIP in Utopia dude😆.. and move the story to IMV-D.. as business partners or rivals.. and IMV telling D abt CP.. m defo more interested in how tht plays out.. if tht show has to end.. I wld rather see some sense in the story.. instead of raging hormones..
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Like u said.. I dont care a reptile's crap abt the fulfiment of VV-Sabina's love affair.. if it has nothing to do with IMV.. if I had to be absorbed in a tragic love affair.. there r 684762 other shows dude..what made IMV-CP work for me.. is simply.. IMV and CP..for crying out loud.. if VV and Sabina getting together is gonna save us the ILE ILE torture.. let them elope together and take Baa alongside.. and RIP in Utopia dude😆.. and move the story to IMV-D.. as business partners or rivals.. and IMV telling D abt CP.. m defo more interested in how tht plays out.. if tht show has to end.. I wld rather see some sense in the story.. instead of raging hormones..

raging hormones is so true ... felt so HURT to see Vaibhav snubbed by Sabina's ...Ab Aap Bhi Hosh mein aaiye ...what a smack on the face for a self respecting man , to be CONSTANTLY put down by a lady . I don't CARE if the lady is good or pure as snow , I am simply talking about the self respect of the MAN here . This serial is destroying the lead hero ...and has done away with the anchor anti hero IMV . If Vaibhav had understood about Sabinas retraction from their love story after IMV blackmailed her and if he had been furious that she chose to believe in the destructive abilities of his father above the protective abilities of HIS love , and if he had questioned if it was LOVE in the first place , and if he had compared it with what he had with Devki and seen for himself that she chose to believe him when she had so LITTLE to go on , I would have LOVED the story .

Would have LOVED it if he had stayed miffed with IMV for his dealings with Sabina but come around when IMV , with his gems wud explain WHY Sabina wud have been thoroughly a misfit in Virani house .

They have done no business ventures , the story is not about business anymore , its about TRIANGLES .

IMV CP Charu Triangle

Vaibhav Devki Sabina Triangle

Sid Rajvi Viraj Triangle

Nirali Jimmy , Honewala tycoon Pati Triangle

The only Triangles that r NOT there r

Manhar Jyotsna and another Fat lady so that they go from looking like twins to TRIPLETS

Baa , Master and some Maangrol ki buddi

Honestly !😡😡😡

IMV observed and controlled . In EACH episode we wud see the smirk and the devious control ...overt or hidden . We wud see him rendered silent by Devkis innocence . Bugged by Charu's innocence . Sighing at Vaibhav's innocence . IMV handled innocence according to his moods and affection degrees .

there was a scene , when Baa left with manhar for sonal's cause , IMV had come to his Father's room after many days and sat on the swing with him , sipping tea . And When his father had told him that he had lost something considerably due to his ego and he ought to take a lesson from it , he had simply said

But I know how to protect what remains . Mere paas Jo bacha hai woh Sambhaalna mujhe aata hai .

Meaning ...I don't waste time thinking of what is LOST . I rather focus on holding on to what i HAVE .

Where is that IMV now ????







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Posted: 14 years ago
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Manhar Jyotsna and another Fat lady so that they go from looking like twins to TRIPLETS

I need a moment here🤣 visual images get the better of me🤣🤣.. and the gems of Kools continue🤣😎

that is my BIGGEST grouse with LOVEEE.. the ever encompassing.. i have utter and complete disregard for love that feeds on self-respect like a self-serving parasite.. complete apathy to such.. How can any self-respecting man.. stoop down again.. Given the woman took a bullet on your behalf.. but the same woman REJECTED your proposal for marriage.. yet you moped away in her reverence when she was away.. and bring your pitiful frame to ask her if she LOVED YOU.. really is this the same man that we see as Ds hubby and partner in crime and dime.. I havent seen the epi.. and tbh m delaying it.. my biggest irritation with VS is exactly this.. what V comes across as in VS.. and my love for VD is just for how V comes across as with D.. a submissive needy lover vs a secure intelligent and protective partner.. period.. no more explanations given..

I just rem that scene with master IMV.. gosh I shld really re-visit MB and cherish those moments with IMV.. the maturity.. the layers.. the blur between right and wrong.. the clash of convictions.. the demand of respect.. where is it all..

they have all been sent to LONDON.. with the man tht epitomized all this..
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Posted: 14 years ago
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[tell me kools, shiv is just so awesome😆what do they want screaming psycho imv
the trps r low cos the genrel viewers r not willing to move on from pathetic saas bahu craps🥱
anything new takes time, if mb succeds it will make way for new ideas, new thinking,
sometimes we have to think beyond trps
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: intruderfast

[tell me kools, shiv is just so awesome😆what do they want screaming psycho imv
the trps r low cos the genrel viewers r not willing to move on from pathetic saas bahu craps🥱
anything new takes time, if mb succeds it will make way for new ideas, new thinking,
sometimes we have to think beyond trps


Anmol this stupid Vaibhav sharing track SUCKS , However good the Souten is , I believe in flinging her OUT , Baa shud be told u too go with her , I cannot stand Baa's Sabina jaap nowdays , Charu does not know HOW to control as matriarch , IMV is needed BACK
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Posted: 14 years ago
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shiv is the best ...essaying the role of im virani he should not be changed...the production house is doing so in order to inc. the trps...but changing such good actors wont benefit them. they should change the story line . - focus more on business world showing challenges b/w devki and i m virani ...and by this i would surely believe trps will inc...BUT IF THE STORY LINE CONTINUES showing the love triangle B/W THE THREE then "THE DAY IS NOT FAR WHEN THE SHOW GOES OFF AIR"

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