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Originally posted by: carisma2
You have some valid points no doubt anu,
but without generalising around gender.... why do you miss out the epi's where Pratigya verbally abused him. I was watching the epi's where he used to be kind to her and her comeback was tum chup raho - apni bakwaas bandh karo. Now she has realised she was wrong that's why she loves him unconditionally.remarks such as i regret marrying you - should be questioned - i agree there with you.Even now when he tries to explain something to her nicely or tries to help her she walks off into the bathroom or tells him to shut up as his opinion doesn't count for shit. Is that not breaking his confidence? is that not mental abuse. Shall we not speak out for him coz he is a man? shall we forget that he is human? He asks for her help - she doesn't give it - is that what a female pratoganist should show.Sadhna from bidaai helped her mental husband all the way thru - she was a great wife.These kind of posts will aggravate the situation ANU, and it will have a adverse effect on our lead characters unnecessarily.With them it takes 2 to tango and also the cv's show their relationship perfectly. Educated females like to discuss, males especially uneducated ones don't like discussion the'd rather just kiss cuddle make up and move on. When Krishna tries to talk she shuts him up... and then eventually he blows after a while and lets off his steam at her in one go. Because undertsandably your vision is one way regarding the whole female thing, I like to look at the overall picture.There are many innocent men out there who suffer at the hands of their wivies, mentally, physically and emotionally..... the live debate shows often show these kinds of men aswell. For example where their wives tell them to take a paternity test to see if the child is theirs or someone elses.... is this not torture on men. I'm glad before I started watching MKAP only I used to watch a lot of english shows and films and debates. I like looking at the overall pic. As a woman - I do not just stand for womens rights but look at humanity in general.If you watched the film Raja ki ayegi baraat - Rani gets raped and she fights for herself - she does it strongly - when she speaks you agree with her, you listen to her and want to keep listening.Mahima in Pardes again she used to fight for India (verbally) again powerful acting... you want her to keep talking, even if it was a bashan - it was interesting because these females acting was sooo powerful even for their first film. Pratigya needs to adapt a different style of coming accoss - what she says is right - but the way she says it the audience switches off. she needs to start by unfolding her arms for a start. I actually like listening to the new Kesar speak up these days, also loved ganti dadi yesterday - powerful, entertaining and bang on.You think Krishna is not suffering? HE IS TITLED KRISHNA PRATIGYA SAXENA, for a man that is really insulting.He lied abt the pregnancy and later slapped her becase she made out to the whole world he is gay, impotent. Imagine how would a woman feel if her husband made out she was a lesbian, or like a man? It would break her confidence too.Many people stopped watching coz they saw him as a joru kaa gulam. He stays at home to be with her... What more can a loving hubby do die for her every day?MKAP is no reality show - it is entertainment.... it only touches on the real life subjects - it doesn't provide resolution.... it is up to the audience to learn and seek and decide on the resolution they want.Anu if you are at the moment wanting a closeure on certain subjects then it will only be a hard hit fall.But non the less our leading pair are the best jodi - complimenting each other and non the less the best hubby and a great wife.No offence intended, i love you and respect you and support your cause.CARISMA.
Originally posted by: carisma2
Hello Carisma,I respect your views and so please respect mine.of course i do. krishna has done many a bad things it was lucky for pratigya that krishna was obssessed with her other wise angaad would have done much worse to her. to Pratigya. He has attempted to rape her twice. on the honey moon, he was trying to love her, but she said he can have her body buh not her love, so he rejected her. also in the surrender scene he tells her that he doesn't want her body - he wants her love. The rape attempt it was just the once - he has never tried again. the reason why he tied to rape her was he had accepted she ain't gonna sleep with him - but indirectly she was making out there u go! nothing you can do about it. he got interrupted - buh then if he really wanted to do it - he would have gone back to finish the job off, buh he didn't. i don't think he would have done it in broad daylight with his parents and everyone in the house. She still stayed back with him .Why ? IMO krishna is the better version of Shakti. Pratigya spoke indifferently to Krishna after marraige because of all the inhumane things he did.Krishna and Shaktia are completely different, Krishna has a soul, shaktia doesn't. shaktia has no respect for women, AMMA A WOMAN had told K forget mattying P just use and abuse her. He said what u on abt, i'm going to marry her and bring her in this house with respect. There are many more exapmples like this from which i can prove K being diff to Shaktia. She believed that she was kidnapped by the man. But after the misunderstanding was over when the misunderstanding was over - she said she neither hates or loves him. She became his friend, used him when she wanted to see her parents, shut him off in family matters and STILL did not allow him to touch her. So nothing changed there. she has embraced him. After he cleaned her charcoaled face after the kidnapping revelation but not before then. Mental abuse is not when you go inside the bathroom in a conversation,No but walking off after telling him indirectly that your opinion counts for shit is! Especially when he wasn't being bad or mean. mental abuse is when you hear from your husband that it was a mistake marrying her.She should question that! but she knows he doesn't mean it - so she won't ask him. It is mental abuse when he says on your face that his life has become a living hell after his marraige. ( He is definotely not Joru Ka Gulam)She probably understands as she has said the same to him before. after ss and them used to pick on her and now they pick on him - so she has been through it and knows the pressure.Is there any real difference between Krishna and Shakti ? Krishna is a better version of Shakti.There is a big difference - i can sit and give many more exapmples. Krishna saves shakti's wife, kn tries to kill krishna's wifeThey both verbally abuses their spouses. Shakti has pyhsically abused Kesar numerous times.k and P have a difference of opinion and that's when he says certain things to her. S unnecessarily calls his wife ugly, blacky etc. Krishna always praises his wife. But when some one is going to stand like a statue of liberty throwing their own ideas at you - bullyimng you, i'd sure give them a hell of a lot of verbal abuse. and HUMAN would! YOU and I both have children boys, imagine if their wife was bullying them unnecessarily - as a mother how would you feel - i would feel really bad. and vice versa. Krishna has too (slapping even once is physical abuse). Yes i disagree in the raising of hands - she embarrassed him so he slapped her, nfront of the family, in the engagement - he embarrassed her she slapped him infront of the whole world, is that not violence? one rule for one and another for the other one? Angaad tought her a lesson for a slap - buh regardless of being slapped krishna married her. and continues to love her. He also has raised his hands to slap her numerous times. The difference is Shakti is a criminal and if Krishna does not mend his way ,Yes he has manhandled her many times, which i agree is wrong - buh he has never beaten her dangerously like shaktia does. it also goes on his upbringing, but now he has stopped - he's changed - he's realised hitting women is not right. he will soon be one. i don't believe that will happenAlthough this is fictional. ,we cannot just look away,because domestic violence is not a fiction,but a everyday fact. When factual matters are shown in a fictional show, it does not remain fictional anymore.so what would you like, for them not to show it, not to show the worl what is happening - not to show people like poeple like kesar exist. fine then people will not learn about domestic voilence, what they don't see cannot be believed. simple as.No Carisma, I do not need any closure. But I am tired of reading threads after threads where a female character Pratigya is bashed No one bashes her. Krishna gets bashed more then her.... because th epratigyan's on this forum cannot hear a joke comment aginst her. Maybe POOJA should portray her better then, with better expressions and body postures. I don't like the arrogant millitary attitude and many of the normal viewers dont, that's just natural. just because she just wants to help her uneducated husband. what measures has she done to help her uneducated husband? start with a chalk and board at least and teach him a, b, c to start with. has she given ideas what kind of job he should get. she just leaves it to T and C to help him find a job wo are uneducated themselves - blind leading the deaf situation there.This forum is anti Pratigya why would a bunch of women be anti against a women fighting for womens rights, in the times when she is right? if you read carefully it's the way that she does it - people don't like. she has a diff rule book for her family and for others. the cv's are aware of this, we viewers readers disect the epi and discuss what the cv's are showing, we are not bashing - we share opinions - if black is black we call it black - simple as. just the way you are commenting on verbal abuse? krishna is not the only character to discuss - pratigya is also up for discussion. because she is a strong woman who stands up for herself. This is an one- sided forum where Pratigya is bashed just because ppl love Krishna.again this is your perception, i cannot change that - regardless....infact people who sit here and write nice things abt p are people like my self who like krishna - when do the pratigyans make nice posts for her, when have you made one annu? i made one for her the other day a dedication for her acheivements. so the K fans are th eones who praise her when she does good acting... or we like what she says etc. but the min where she has done something wrong is discussed they emerge one by one. right now it is all the k fans - kriyans voting for them to win in the spa.I believe in strong and independent woman and I am against any kind of violence.i respect you for thisNothing personal Carisma. I am very fond of you.like wise.Anu
I do think she reacted hastily because of Amma's taunts.I think she reacted because she was disappointed in the fact that Amma was right about the fact that she might go old and even then she would 'nt understand him. She thought that he was out for work,while he was sleeping the whole time. Pratigya is an eduacted and idealist woman and I believe she loves him and so is tolerating his tantrums. I clearly see that she is losing her patience and I'm afraid if Krishna does not get it together soon, she will completely lose trust. If an idealist is given the choice to choose between love or ideals, he /she always chooses their ideals.Originally posted by: carisma2
I understand your reason's behind Krishna's reaction which some I agree and some I don't and maybe he does not mean what he says sometimes.I agree - some things should be avoided saying as they can be scarring later. But saying that , it does not make it right for him to raise his hand or speak harshly to her. I believe he has stopped raising his hand on her now, Regarding harsh words, As long as he is not the only one. If one partner can be harsh then in a normal relationship the other will make a comeback. As long as he is not instigating it. Yesterday he was sleeping and Pratigya came and took out Amma's anger on him - the way she was waking him up. I know I can be a grouch if some one woke me up like that. Hence I didn't find him to be overreacting, but I saw a desperate man crying out his frustration. A desperate man crying out - coz he feels belittled.I just hope they sort it out for valentines day. But I'm glad that the cv's show some form of arguments at least through this we see what is in their hearts. Personally I don't wanna see either of them be bad to each other - or be hurtful to each other in any way... if they fight.. we hurt. But because they have become so close - am sure they will understand. It's like after the surrender scene - he wasn't understanding her feelings towards him and then she raised her voice and gave him some home truths, he then listened. Yesterday was one of those times but vice versa.
I do think she reacted hastily because of Amma's taunts.I think she reacted because she was disappointed in the fact that Amma was right about the fact that she might go old and even then she would 'nt understand him. She thought that he was out for work,while he was sleeping the whole time. Pratigya is an eduacted and idealist woman and I believe she loves him and so is tolerating his tantrums. I clearly see that she is losing her patience and I'm afraid if Krishna does not get it together soon, she will completely lose trust. If an idealist is given the choice to choose between love or ideals, he /she always chooses their ideals. I agree with you, she deffo had lost her patience yesterday.
You are not rude at all. krishna might love her, but that does not give him the right to verbally or physically abuse her. Physical or verbal abuse cannot be justified in any condition.thanks 4 ur POV
but to be fair krishna has shown more love to pratigya than she has to himhe has gone out of his way to make her happywht i mean by this is thathe 4got about his pbringinds an everything just so he can marry her love herhe even tryed to look 4 a jobalthough it wasnt a very good attemp he tryedyes occasionaly she has shown some sort of love to but not as muchi hope u dont take my POV affensivelyi apologise now if i sound rudeim sorry